Homeschooling

Tinkerbell

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I think this is the right forum for this subject....


What are everyone's opinions on homeschooling? I'm curious because I always thought it was okay, if the parents really did a good job. However, what about the social aspect of life? Helping your kids learn and grow up is not just about books and tests - they need to learn to deal with life's stresses and idiots too. Isn't this missing from homeschooling? :shrug:
 
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newtosomd

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Tinkerbell said:
I think this is the right forum for this subject....


What are everyone's opinions on homeschooling? I'm curious because I always thought it was okay, if the parents really did a good job. However, what about the social aspect of life? Helping your kids learn and grow up is not just about books and tests - they need to learn to deal with life's stresses and idiots too. Isn't this missing from homeschooling? :shrug:

Yeah, I have heard so called professionals being quoted as saying that kids need to be put into daycare for interaction reasons. I'm sorry, but I don't buy that crap. I think on a normal basis, just living your life, that you will be exposed to enough people and learn how to interact with other people. I don't think people should stay locked-up in their house all the time though.
 

suzeQ

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Tinkerbell said:
What are everyone's opinions on homeschooling? I'm curious because I always thought it was okay, if the parents really did a good job. However, what about the social aspect of life? Helping your kids learn and grow up is not just about books and tests - they need to learn to deal with life's stresses and idiots too. Isn't this missing from homeschooling? :shrug:

If the parent doing the teaching is devoted, I believe the students can get a good education at home. As far as the social aspect, there are plenty of other outlets for that. We always had homeschooled kids on the Parks and Rec soccer teams, Little League teams, and involved in Cub Scouts. Kids need to be with kids, but it doesn't have to be at school. JMO
 
Our Cub Scout Pack had a family campout at Cedarville a couple weeks ago. Homeschool group from Ohio was there too (why they chose Cedarville, I don't know). Worst behaved group of kids I have seen outside of the DC Metro (as in trains). One kid chased another in to the bathroom (while I was taking a leak) and had his knife less than a foot from the other (much smaller) kid's stomach. Dad of smaller kid was in the shower, and when he heard their voices, he said "LEAVE MY KID ALONE!" I turned around and saw the knife and said "PUT THE KNIFE AWAY!" Dad whipped open the curtain seperating the shower area from the rest of the bathhouse REAL quick. If dad hadn't been there, I would have taken the knife and dragged the punk back to his group by his ear. Same punk later had his bike blocking most of the road (where kids were riding bikes/scooters) and shifted his bike at the last second to block the path of a smaller kid, and thus making the kid fall. What a wonderful example of homeschooling. :rolleyes:
 

ceo_pte

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huntr1 said:
Our Cub Scout Pack had a family campout at Cedarville a couple weeks ago. Homeschool group from Ohio was there too (why they chose Cedarville, I don't know). Worst behaved group of kids I have seen outside of the DC Metro (as in trains). One kid chased another in to the bathroom (while I was taking a leak) and had his knife less than a foot from the other (much smaller) kid's stomach. Dad of smaller kid was in the shower, and when he heard their voices, he said "LEAVE MY KID ALONE!" I turned around and saw the knife and said "PUT THE KNIFE AWAY!" Dad whipped open the curtain seperating the shower area from the rest of the bathhouse REAL quick. If dad hadn't been there, I would have taken the knife and dragged the punk back to his group by his ear. Same punk later had his bike blocking most of the road (where kids were riding bikes/scooters) and shifted his bike at the last second to block the path of a smaller kid, and thus making the kid fall. What a wonderful example of homeschooling. :rolleyes:

I think Suz had it right. I think alot of it depends on how involved the parents are. Homeschooled or not, if the parents are not involved and the the child has no discipline, it doesn't matter.
 

KCM

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Back home we lived down the road from a family that home schooled their children. They were also extremely religous (not that the is anything wrong with that). These three children had minimal social skills with regard to playing with other children. The idea of having multiple children playing at the same time eluded these kids. If my two children and the neighbors two children were all playing then these kids could not play with everyone without starting fights, pushing, shoving and being nasty.

When they weren't being nasty, they were preaching to all the other children about going to hell and saying that only they were God's children and no one else.

Despite numerous conversations between myself and the parents, this continued and my children no longer played with them.

The father finally decided to put them into a well respected, private school and right before we moved, the kids had a complete turn around in their attitude.
 

Tinkerbell

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KCM said:
Back home we lived down the road from a family that home schooled their children. They were also extremely religous (not that the is anything wrong with that). These three children had minimal social skills with regard to playing with other children. The idea of having multiple children playing at the same time eluded these kids. If my two children and the neighbors two children were all playing then these kids could not play with everyone without starting fights, pushing, shoving and being nasty.

When they weren't being nasty, they were preaching to all the other children about going to hell and saying that only they were God's children and no one else.

Despite numerous conversations between myself and the parents, this continued and my children no longer played with them.

The father finally decided to put them into a well respected, private school and right before we moved, the kids had a complete turn around in their attitude.

This is what I mean. I hear these stories more and more about home schooled kids. I really have to think that some people's reasons to homeschool their kids is to "shelter" them from society. I understand homeschooling because of a bad school district or special needs.

But the approach of homeschooling because you are OVERprotective isn't good for the kids. They have no opportunity that I can think of to truly learn how to deal with things on their own.

My daughter has had problems with boys at school being... well, boys :smile: and I told her I can't protect her from everything and I can't make them behave. She had to learn to deal with it on her own, she did and I think she's better because of it.

Life is tough and the world is scary. The more "sheltered" from it a kid is - the harder life is going to be for them. :ohwell:
 

KCM

Right Where I Belong
The mother of these three children told me I was the spawn of Satan.:lol: My mother had just passed away the evening before and all my family gathered at my house. We had food and drinks and were sharing stories about my mom when here daughter and son came to our home to hang out with my two children.

After about an hour, the mother came down to collect these two kids and when she saw the "sins" :)confused: on that one) that were happening at my home she accused me of being the spawn of Satan.

I had nothing to do with her after all. I think the whole family had a few screws loose regardless of the homeschooling.:lol:
 

virgovictoria

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There is a young fella that I run into on occasion at a local business that is home schooled. I have to tell you, this young man is by far one of the most well-mannered, intelligent, cordial, polite and socially adept kids I have come across in a while. His parents deserve a big :yay:... Apparently, there is a program that home schoolers go to a few times a week :shrug: and then his parents also have him in soccer and such...

This is my take anyway. My girlfriend and I have commented several times on what a great kid he is!
 

alex

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Homeschooling has both good and bad points to it. I think the hardest thing is the socialization. Some parents do a great job of making sure their kids interact with others and some don't.

Some of the things I have seen with homeschooled kids I know are: a need to be the center of attention, an inability to work with those they don't like, and sometimes an arrogant attitude even towards adults of "I am so much better than you". You see some of this in kids and adults who went to schools but it seems to be more pronounced in the homeschoolers I have meet and dealt with.
 

Ken King

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alex said:
Homeschooling has both good and bad points to it. I think the hardest thing is the socialization. Some parents do a great job of making sure their kids interact with others and some don't.

Some of the things I have seen with homeschooled kids I know are: a need to be the center of attention, an inability to work with those they don't like, and sometimes an arrogant attitude even towards adults of "I am so much better than you". You see some of this in kids and adults who went to schools but it seems to be more pronounced in the homeschoolers I have meet and dealt with.
I would be willing to bet that those with these traits are just chips off the old blocks (mirrors of their parents). If they are taught how to interact they will, if they are pumped up to believe that they are the best thing since sliced bread then that's the attitude and conduct you will get from them and they don't need home schooling to turn out that way (I have ran across many like what you describe that went through the traditional education system that were ingrained with the better then you mentality).
 
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czygvtwkr

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Having been a teaching assistant in college I have ran across a few home schooled students. They typically knew their basic math and writing skills better than the average public educated student, however all of them were basket cases. One in particular stands out, he was 19 and rode a scooter to class and I don't mean a road scooter I mean one of those scooters that 10 year olds play on in the street, wore a power rangers backpack, he was not use to mom not being around telling him what to do so he apparently forgot to bathe himself, he would occasionally play with himself in class (yes I did say play with himself) and whenever I marked something wrong on his homework he threw a hissy fit over it.
 

Nickel

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I think it depends on the parents and the kids' personalities and willingness to stick to a structured environment. I used to work for a dentist, and every once in awhile, a mother would come in with her 6 kids, whom she home-schooled. They wore uniforms, which I thought was weird, but I guess it added to the "structure". They were the most well behaved kids I've ever met in my life. When one of them had an appointment, they all came, and if you weren't sitting there looking at them, you'd have no idea they were there...they sat quietly, reading books or talking with each other. After awhile, my co-worker mentioned how well behaved this woman's kids were (ranging from 1-13 years) in comparison to her 3 year old son. The woman offered to watch her son during the day, and include him with the other kids and their school work. His social and developmental skills drastically improved.

My best friends' fiance and his sisters were home-schooled until he was in 9th grade. It may just be their family and the fact that they were active in their church, but he is undoubtedly the most friendly person I know, and has no problem fitting into any social situation. I don't know anyone that dislikes him. :yay:
 

cebasham

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best decision we ever made

Long story short, I never planned to homeschool. Our children started out in public school, where we were soon frustrated and disillusioned and eventually moved to private school, where we became frustrated, disillusioned and broke. 3 years ago I pulled my kids out and we have been homeschooling since then.

My kids are learning & LOVE to learn--something that had just about died while they were in school. They get along with all sorts of people-even homeschooling people that we orginally (and wrongly) assumed would judge us, because we are not a religious family by any stretch. When we go places, I am often complimented on their behavior-something that didn't happen when they were in school.

Socialization is the big buzzword. People who don't homeschool worry about it. But those of us who do soon realize that homeschoolers can and do meet lots of people. And learn to get along with lots of people.

To me, it seems so much more natural and life-preparatory to have kids interact with a variety of people-not just '30 kids exactly their age, plus one woman'. Where else will you ever have that experience? It's the standard school set-up, sure, but once school is out you're never going to live that way again.
 

MikeyBash

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alex said:
Homeschooling has both good and bad points to it. I think the hardest thing is the socialization. Some parents do a great job of making sure their kids interact with others and some don't.

Some of the things I have seen with homeschooled kids I know are: a need to be the center of attention, an inability to work with those they don't like, and sometimes an arrogant attitude even towards adults of "I am so much better than you". You see some of this in kids and adults who went to schools but it seems to be more pronounced in the homeschoolers I have meet and dealt with.

Some of the things I have seen with people who have never homeschooled kids are: a need to cite the "lack of socialization" myth, an inability to avoid resorting to sterotypes, and an arrogant attitude that says "I know better than you how to raise your kids."

Before we started homeschooling our kids, I believed the socialization myth too. But the social environment of most schools is not reflective of the society kids will enter when they graduate. Much of what they learn is actually counter to what will help them succeed in real life.

Alex, how many homeschooled kids do you actually know? The things you describe are absolutely not true of the homeschooled kids I know, and I know quite a few because we're a homeschool family.

Sterotyping homeschool kids is fashionable, but it's as ugly and untrue as sterotyping based on race.
 

Sharon

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Tinkerbell said:
they need to learn to deal with life's stresses and idiots too. Isn't this missing from homeschooling? :shrug:

Not if you teach them a driver's ed class! :lmao:

I HS'ed my sons thru high school (just HS). It's not a decision to be taken lightly, you must be totally commited to their education. I remember a few weeks after I started, the boys begged me to send them back to public school - because Mom wasn't the pushover they expected; I was tougher than the teachers they'd left. :lol: About 6 months after that, they fell into the routine and they never complained about missing public school ever again. They beat out most of their public school friends on their college entrance exams. :yay:

The socialization aspect is a myth, you really aren't alone when you homeschool. There is a whole network of other parents doing the same thing. Locally, I was the only highschooler; most of the parents (I knew) started pre-elem. school. There might be a few freaks in the system (just like anywhere) but I never ran across an Andrea Yates type. These parents were commited to giving their children the best education possible and you must be highly organized. Requirements vary from state-to-state, you have reviews, paperwork, and records to keep...it's not a job for slackers.
 

alex

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I know about 6 - 10. But I do understand that no ALL of them are like this. It just seems to be the kids I know. I have nothing but respect for people who homeschool. I know I could never do it with my son. I would probably kill him within a week. So those of you who choose to homeschool, more power to you.

Ken - you are right. Most of these kids do not fall far from the tree, so to speak. And yes, I have meet kids with similar attitudes who go to public school. I just found it odd that ALL of the homeschooled kids I know behave in this manner while all of the public/private school kids I know do not.
 

vraiblonde

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Questions for homeschool parents:

What made you decide to homeschool? Disillusionment with public schools? Special needs kids? Religious preferences?

What was your average day like? Did you set up a classroom? Did you have set subjects each day, like math, history, etc, or did you play it by ear? Was it hard to stay on task and not want to blow it off?

How did you teach stuff that you yourself might not have known? Like, I could probably teach my kids advanced History and English, but would have a hard time with anything beyond basic math.

And, finally, as an untrained, undegreed parent operating as an effective teacher, do you shake your head at the public school teachers with their degrees in education and child development that don't seem to have a clue what they're doing?

As you can see, I'm completely unfamiliar with homeschooling but it's an interesting topic :yay:
 

vraiblonde

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alex said:
I just found it odd that ALL of the homeschooled kids I know behave in this manner while all of the public/private school kids I know do not.
As the veteran of numerous public school field trips, I can testify that there is no shortage of public school kids that act like they were raised by wolves.
 
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homeschoolmom

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In Answer to Your Questions

What made you decide to homeschool?

My son had a lot of ear infections as an infant and toddler, and was delayed in his speech. However, he made a lot of progress with his developmental therapy while we were in Japan (we're military). The people there, wrote a very good evaluation, and told us to have him re-evaluated when we got back to the states--which we did through Child Find.
It was 2:00 pm, my son was tired and cranky (he was 2 1/2, almost 3), and needless to say, wasn't very co-operative when the evaluator asked him to do certain things. I had told her that to begin with. She tested him anyway, and told me that he couldn't do this very well, and didn't understand that, and couldn't do this, etc.... I again told her, "Yes, he can--he's just tired right now." Well, she went on to tell me that he was slow in learning, and probably wouldn't be able to keep up with other kids his age when he's in school if he doesn't get some help now. Well, you can bet, that royally ticked me off!! Who was she to think she knows more about my son in 15 minutes than his own mother who has raised him from birth?!!!
I have read to my son since he was an infant. He knew his ABC's, numbers 0--10, and how to read and spell 3-letter words like cat, dog, man, boy, when he was 2 years old. When he was 3, he wanted to learn to read by himself, so my husband (who was very against homeschooling) challenged me. If I could teach him to read, then he would let me homeschool. I got the book, "How to Teach Your Child to Read in 100 Easy Lessons," and within a month, my son was reading simple sentences on his own.
We put him in Kindergarten at Lexington Park Christian School (now Kings Academy), where he had fun, but was doing a lot of things he already knew, like learning the alphabet and numbers, colors, and what have you. He did get to sing and play with other kids though. The following year they raised the tuition, so we bought the same curriculum they used in first grade, and homeschooled him that year. The total amount we spent on homeschooling that year was less that one month's tuition at the private school--and we used the same curriculum!
We homeschooled the first half of second grade as well, but at that point, my son had become a non-stop talker, and it was very difficult to homeschool that year for a lot of reasons. He went to Bay Montessori for the second half of the year.
We had a difficult year in 3rd grade but we survived. 4th grade was a lot better than 3rd, and we're going to do 5th grade next year. I know this is a long reply (sorry, it's not often I have time to participate in forums like this).


Did you have set subjects each day, like math, history, etc, or did you play it by ear?

When people first start to homeschool, many of them play it by ear because there are so many wonderful curriculums, and resources that are available that it's really quite overwhelming! Because every child is different, and every family's situation varies, it takes awhile to find out what works best for each child, as well as for the parents. I use a core curriculum like ABeka, but each year I vary our materials, and even substitute others for subjects like science and art.
We do all of the required subjects, Language/Grammer, Math, Science, Health, History, Social Studies, Art, Music, P.E., etc. The wonderful thing about homeschooling is that you can set the time and schedule to fit your family's needs, and it can vary from day to day. We work at the kitchen table most of the time, but we've also done Spelling in the car, on the way to the dentist, Math in the doctor's waiting room, etc. My son goes to Tae Kwon Do in the morning when most kids are in school, and has the benefit of more personalized instruction from the master. He also has the option of going in the afternoon if he prefers. The only reason we're able to take piano lessons is because the teacher only had openings in the morning and early afternoon while the other kids were in school. We can work through school holidays if we want, and take off when others are still in school, so we can go places when they are less crowded.
Next year, I plan on doing Math and Language everyday, and alternate everything else. If you'd like to take a look at some great homeschool websites that have excellent resources, and mention many of the benefits of homeschooling, let me know, and I'll send you the web addresses.


How did you teach stuff that you yourself might not have known?

There are things that I like and dislike about the ABeka Curriculum, but one thing I really like is that they explain things very well. I was never good at Math, and I really loved the little tricks and methods they used to explain certain concepts. It made things really easy to remember for my son. What I don't know, or have forgotten, I learn right along with my son, which makes it fun. My son knows more about the details of history than I ever did when I was his age! We both love doing history and science, and even though I don't have a degree, my husband has three, so he can step in any time. He can make history sound like a Star Wars Saga. Again, there are many resources out there if you know where to look, and most curriculums have a Teacher's Edition that tells you exactly what to say, and how to teach the subject, and again, you can always vary that as well. The first time I went to a homeschool curriculum fair, it took me three days to see everything!


As an untrained, undegreed parent operating as an effective teacher, do you shake your head at the public school teachers with their degrees in education and child development that don't seem to have a clue what they're doing?

I don't have anything against public school teachers. I know there are excellent ones out there who truly love what they're doing and who really care about kids. But let's face it, no one knows a child better than his own parents, and to me, that makes them more qualified than some piece of paper given to someone who completed a specific course of study. Whether or not they realize it, parents are both students and teachers from the moment they bring a child into this world--they've been teaching and learning all along. Unfortunately, just as there are good teachers and bad ones--there are good parents and bad ones as well. Again, it's not the teachers I oppose--it's the whole public school system and what they allow or don't allow, what they do or don't do, what they teach or don't teach. Kids who take the bus can be away from home from 7:00 am to as late as 4:00, or even 5:00 pm. That leaves 3 or 4 hours that a younger child has to finish his homework, eat, play, bathe, and get ready for bed--and is that really quality family time? Who has more influence on the child--his family, or the public?
On a good day, we start school at 9:00 am, finish around noon, and my son has the rest of the day to do other fun activities. Granted, that's not usually the case in our house--there have been times when we have run into dinner time and still have not finished. But most of the time we're done around 1:00 or 2:00 pm.
Many homeschoolers do a lot of extra-curricular activities. There are those who think they are socially deprived, when in reality, they are more socially diverse than their peers in public schools. They don't spend most of the day with a group of people who are all the same age, learning the same things the same way, with only one or two adults in the same room. Where in the real world do you find that situation after they graduate from high school? They go out into the real world to a job where they will work with people of different ages, from different backgrounds, experiences, and situations. For many, the self-esteem they obtained among their peers and teachers goes out the window when they are placed in these new situations that they are not comfortable with. While some may appear to be self-confident, many only act like they are.
Studies have shown that many homeschoolers are not only more confident in the real world, but are more focused, are able to work more independently, and produce higher quality work because many of them are 1 to 3 grades ahead of their peers in public school. There are homeschool groups where these kids meet to do certain subjects together. They play together with kids of all ages, and have more time to do things. Many go on field trips where they have the opportunity to talk to people of all ages, and have more time to interact with people of different ages, not just hang out with kids their own age. Besides the required subjects, many take music lessons, study a foreign language like Latin or Greek, or are involved in Scouting, martial arts, theater, dance, or a variety of other activities. Many have done more traveling throughout the states, or even other countries, than their public school peers will ever have the opportunity to do--as families experiencing historic sites and excavations together. Of course, that too, may not be the norm for most homeschooling families. But, there are those who do.
There are many myths about homeschooling that are simply not true. If you want to know the truth about homeschooling, then ask questions and talk to those who have done it, who have gone through the homeschool experience. You don't go to a brain surgeon to learn about computer programming, or to a lawyer to learn electrical engineering. You go to those who really know their trade in order to gain a solid understanding of the subject.
Again, if you'd like a list of some great homeschool websites, e-mail me at
tranquilfountains@yahoo.com
 
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