Horse Injury Yesterday - Safety Points

[MDres]

Have you ever tasted bute? Seriously. Put a tiny dab of it on your tongue. The bitterness will about make you gag and it lasts FOREVER....

What about using bute paste? Not as messy as syringe feeding crushed/wetted bute tabs...

Also, that amount of meds might be causing her tummy to get a bit ulcerated. You could talk to your vet about adding some Ulcer-guard and see if it improves her appetite.

 

[ArkRescue]

I've had luck mixing meds in grain with a bit of vegetable oil and also with applesauce.

Vegetable oil? Okay, I wonder why they like that?

I called the vet's office to ask if they could come give her an injection for pain and sedation but they asked questions about her behavior and said it sounded like I can make another try today with applesauce, more molasses, etc. and if she won't eat it I need to mix the meds with applesauce and put it in a 60 cc syringe with a catheter tip (big opening) and use that to force feed the meds into her throat. Not the best option to use obviously.

I am interested in what folks here have used, so I will have a few things to try before I started to force feed the meds.

 

[ArkRescue]

Have you ever tasted bute? Seriously. Put a tiny dab of it on your tongue. The bitterness will about make you gag and it lasts FOREVER....

What about using bute paste? Not as messy as syringe feeding crushed/wetted bute tabs...

Also, that amount of meds might be causing her tummy to get a bit ulcerated. You could talk to your vet about adding some Ulcer-guard and see if it improves her appetite.

ahh ok - I wondered if her tummy was getting upset - shows how smart horses really are for her to know where the tummy ache is coming from and to stop eating it.

 

[DQ2B]

You can get flavored bute. I think citrus is the only available flavor at the moment. Used to be able to get apple and molasses but my understanding is that the company that made those flavors is no longer doing so. Farm Vet has the citrus though. You might try adding a little shredded alfalfa into the mix and/or feeding the bute in a separate mixture. At least that way she'd be getting the other meds.

 

[ArkRescue]

You can get flavored bute. I think citrus is the only available flavor at the moment. Used to be able to get apple and molasses but my understanding is that the company that made those flavors is no longer doing so. Farm Vet has the citrus though. You might try adding a little shredded alfalfa into the mix and/or feeding the bute in a separate mixture. At least that way she'd be getting the other meds.

This bute has a sweet smell to it so I think it may be a citrus flavor. I have allergies to the aspirin family of medications (including anti-inflammatory types), otherwise I'd taste it to see what the flavor is.

The alfalfa is a good thing to try - not sure if she's ever had it before though. Good idea on giving the bute separately. I knew you all could help with this. We have a lot of good people with great information on this forum .

 

[my-thyme]

My dog loved the canned pumpkin that the vet recommended I mix with her medicine. Horse may like it, too.

 

[ArkRescue]

My dog loved the canned pumpkin that the vet recommended I mix with her medicine. Horse may like it, too.

I didn't think she was particularly picky, but I do recall she tastes things and spits them out sometimes. One horse loves bread but this one spits it out. I can give it a try if the applesauce, alfalfa, and honey don't work. I personally LOVE pumpkin products (have a can or two in the pantry), especially pumpkin pancakes, pumpkin bread, and pumpkin ice cream Mmmm.

 

[ArkRescue]

OMG this is too funny!

 

[fredsaid2]

Vegetable oil? Okay, I wonder why they like that?

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It's fed for extra calories w/o increasing grain, thought to act as a mild colic preventitive, and I've used it to feed powered meds with grain. I have a TB that eats a small amount of veg oil with each meal. She's seems to like it.

 

[ArkRescue]

Vegetable oil? Okay, I wonder why they like that?

It's fed for extra calories w/o increasing grain, thought to act as a mild colic preventitive, and I've used it to feed powered meds with grain. I have a TB that eats a small amount of veg oil with each meal. She's seems to like it.

I recall hearing about people adding it for calories but I didn't know they didn't mind or even liked it. Good to know that it can also be helpful for other things.

I have tried using as little grain as possible because of what grain does to horses, and I am counter-acting the energy level with sedatives. I agree that she may have a belly ache - because she WAS eating it with great interest the first 2 days.

 

[ArkRescue]

another one - ha ha

 

[ArkRescue]

and yet another - one for the show folks

 

[ArkRescue]

so, appleasauce .... no
then honey ...... no

Left to go buy a syringe and while I was gone for a couple hours she ruptured half of her stitches and pulled out the drain .... so I called the emergency vet to come out again grrrr.

Vet determines that there isn't enough blood supply going to the tissue at the corner (inverted "L") of the wound, we decided to leave it open on that side, so the healing process will take longer, and the end result may not look so great. We will have to wait and see. I will take new pictures later to post.

Last resort was to get the meds into her by the syringe - works ! I am sure in time she will avoid being restrained.

 

[ICit]

so, appleasauce .... no
then honey ...... no

Left to go buy a syringe and while I was gone for a couple hours she ruptured half of her stitches and pulled out the drain .... so I called the emergency vet to come out again grrrr.

Vet determines that there isn't enough blood supply going to the tissue at the corner (inverted "L") of the wound, we decided to leave it open on that side, so the healing process will take longer, and the end result may not look so great. We will have to wait and see. I will take new pictures later to post.

Last resort was to get the meds into her by the syringe - works ! I am sure in time she will avoid being restrained.

vetercyin....vetercyin ..... vetercyin!!!!

will get you the recipe i was telling you about....

 

[ArkRescue]

vetercyin....vetercyin ..... vetercyin!!!!

will get you the recipe i was telling you about....

I knew she wasn't going to make this easy when she stopped eating the meds in the grain. Vet said the reason for the about-face was just that she probably got wise that her food just wasn't tasting right and we were probably trying to poison her LOL.

This morning I liquified the sedative, mixed it into molasses water, then poured that over a small amount of grain. Once she eats that (she did get multiple bites as I watched), I will try to slip in some of the other meds, failing that, I will get the syringe again. I figure if I can get her sedated enough, she won't notice the meds in the next small batch of food, we'll see.

Just keeping her leg/wound clean is an hour long chore. I just got a good coating of Vaseline on her leg (after cleaning it again) so the oozing won't stick to her leg as it had been. The vet said it was scalding her skin. I am learning about dealing with open wounds, that's for sure.

Vet left me with instructions to clean out the open part of the wound with a weak Betadine solution, then spray the special wound spray inside the wound, then put the ointment around the edges of the wound.

 

[ICit]

I knew she wasn't going to make this easy when she stopped eating the meds in the grain. Vet said the reason for the about-face was just that she probably got wise that her food just wasn't tasting right and we were probably trying to poison her LOL.

This morning I liquified the sedative, mixed it into molasses water, then poured that over a small amount of grain. Once she eats that (she did get multiple bites as I watched), I will try to slip in some of the other meds, failing that, I will get the syringe again. I figure if I can get her sedated enough, she won't notice the meds in the next small batch of food, we'll see.

Just keeping her leg/wound clean is an hour long chore. I just got a good coating of Vaseline on her leg (after cleaning it again) so the oozing won't stick to her leg as it had been. The vet said it was scalding her skin. I am learning about dealing with open wounds, that's for sure.

Vet left me with instructions to clean out the open part of the wound with a weak Betadine solution, then spray the special wound spray inside the wound, then put the ointment around the edges of the wound.

i will still say VETERCYIN...VETERCYIN!!!!! I have seen this do amazing things.... hell ... even on my dogs... V had a hot spot that was hard to clear up and i think it was more a staph infection by this point....withing one day of vetercyin... it was not angry looking ... and healed fast.... fur came back normal!

i have uses it on dog bites.... puntures... hell even on myself for wounds!!!

 

[ICit]

ok...

from my vet....


boil the crushed pills/meds in karo syrup..... use LARGE SYRINGE to squirt COOLED syrup in the back of the horses mouth....

or try to place meds in cored apples.

 

[PrepH4U]

ok...

from my vet....


boil the crushed pills/meds in karo syrup..... use LARGE SYRINGE to squirt COOLED syrup in the back of the horses mouth....

or try to place meds in cored apples.

ok that seems like a lot of work, when we had to give our horses pills our vet always instructed us to crush pills and mix in karo corn syrup to make the mixture smooth enough to suck up into the syringe and then into mouth. This was sweet enough to disquise 45 doxy pills twice a day for 21 days.

Our other horse preferred molasses with the crushed pill mixture and some feed. We made the molasses mixture with pills and a little feed and gave that to her first to eat as a treat. Then she got her regular feed without it being altered at all. She came to love her molasses treat.

I agree with the vetrycin, I have used it on my horses, cats and dogs, awesome stuff! If you go to their website read about it, it is supposed to help prevent proud flesh on horses also.
Good luck, we have been through heaves & erlychia (sp) this spring, got to be real good at crushing pills and monitoring intake. lol

whoops didn't mean to quote you ICIT.

 

[ArkRescue]

ok...

from my vet....


boil the crushed pills/meds in karo syrup..... use LARGE SYRINGE to squirt COOLED syrup in the back of the horses mouth....

or try to place meds in cored apples.

The jar says Biozide Wound Gel. I can look for the other you mentioned in Tractor Supply right?

I hope by splitting up her meds in small batches of grain that she will this eat this current batch with the antibiotic and bute like she ate the batch with the sedative in it this morning. I may be outsmarting her ? I hope so because forcing it is so hard on her injury since she fights to not eat it despite it being in applesauce in the syringe.

 

[ArkRescue]

ok that seems like a lot of work, when we had to give our horses pills our vet always instructed us to crush pills and mix in karo corn syrup to make the mixture smooth enough to suck up into the syringe and then into mouth. This was sweet enough to disquise 45 doxy pills twice a day for 21 days.

Our other horse preferred molasses with the crushed pill mixture and some feed. We made the molasses mixture with pills and a little feed and gave that to her first to eat as a treat. Then she got her regular feed without it being altered at all. She came to love her molasses treat.

I agree with the vetrycin, I have used it on my horses, cats and dogs, awesome stuff! If you go to their website read about it, it is supposed to help prevent proud flesh on horses also.
Good luck, we have been through heaves & erlychia (sp) this spring, got to be real good at crushing pills and monitoring intake. lol

whoops didn't mean to quote you ICIT.

The vet said the antibiotic pills are so hard that she recommended I wet them to break them up easier. So far so good.

I will look for the Vetrycin later.