How long do you think this shutdown will last?

[BernieP]

Did you check the vote count. 60 votes needed to pass. Considering this was divided along party lines, some Dems did vote in favor some GOP did vote against. Now, 5 GOP voted against. So you'd need at least 10 dems to vote for.

Both groups have to work together, it's not the Dems fault....

Actually it is, it's Schumer's fault and the hardcore socialists who have only one thing to rally the troops - RESISTS
There are two bills, in both bills the democrats got pretty much what they want, but they don't want a compromise, they want their DACA bill vote on first, before the budget.
So even if all 5 or 4 republicans did vote for the spending bill, it would still be short of the 60. But if I'm correct, they need 60 for closure to end debate and get a vote.
Flake is just being an ass because Trump hurt his feelings. Not sure why Rand Paul is opposed. Probably because he's opposed to DACA bill.

 

[vraiblonde]

Not sure why Rand Paul is opposed.

Rand Paul votes no on pretty much all spending bills because he dislikes the frivolous spending, of which there is a ton in these bills. He is against anything that increases our debt and doesn't line up income/outgo.

He voted no on the continuing resolution because he thinks those things are lazy bull#### - Congress should vote on the budget and stop dicking around.

He is also of the "burn it down and start over" mindset, which I used to applaud until Trump came along and made me see that there's another way.

On one hand, you can't really fault Rand - his reasoning is sound and I think he's in line with most Americans when it comes to fiscal responsibility. Unfortunately he's one lone voice in the do-nothing Senate and he can either compromise (which he has stated hatred for numerous times) or he can just vote no all the time and his vote will either not mean a hill of crap or he will perpetuate what he professes to loathe. There's GOING to be a spending bill. It's GOING to include a lot of bull####. Rand can either vote for Les Evil or he can sit there and be stubborn and watch his party lose.

 

[Forkian]

prob a week or less

 

[spr1975wshs]

My wife is a NAVAIR employee, but her program is corporately funded, not sure which way this is going for her.

I think we need a wash of pneumonic plague to hit DC, clear out the whole rat's nest.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I hope that it lasts long enough that I actually get some time off from this. A lot of us still work during this "soft" shutdown.

 

[nobody really]

Interestingly I'm all out of work during this shutdown. I have a contact with one agency that I can't bill during the shutdown. I have another DoD contract that ends on the 23rd but can't get refunded until the gov opens up. So essentially I'm un-selfemployed during the shutdown. I've never seen this before. I just hope it dosen't go longer than a month.

what kind of contract is that?

 

[Gilligan]

Looks like the shutdown could be over by this evening.

Big woop.

 

[Hannibal]

Looks like the shutdown could be over by this evening.

Big woop.

And all Fed Employees basically got the day off WITH pay.

You want action and an uprising on what's acceptable? When a shutdown happens - don't back pay those who are shut out. Things will got bottom-lined real quick.

I work in the private sector. If my company closes its doors because it can't make payroll (or for whatever reason), they don't owe me for the days I didn't work. And if this became a trend, I'd find another place of employment.

 

[MiddleGround]

When a shutdown happens - don't back pay those who are shut out. Things will got bottom-lined real quick.

Are you seriously that naive?

Things will NEVER get "bottom-lined" unless the people who actually vote to have these shutdowns are effected by their decisions! Do you think any member of Congress gives a flying fart when they know they are exempted from their decisions?

 

[Hannibal]

Are you seriously that naive?

Things will NEVER get "bottom-lined" unless the people who actually vote to have these shutdowns are effected by their decisions! Do you think any member of Congress gives a flying fart when they know they are exempted from their decisions?

I disagree (but do generally accept your bigger position that Congress doesn't give a sh!t). If the Federal employees (which I believe is the largest civilian union in the country), all went into an uproar or found other employment, things would change. Hell, some of them might even look into who they should actually vote for next election.

I know MANY examples of Federal Gov't employees who don't give a rats ass about the shutdown knowing it's likely only going to amount to a few days/couple weeks and they will get all their pay back. It amounts to a vacation for them. If they weren't to get paid, they'd certainly speak up when given the chance.

 

[MiddleGround]

I disagree (but do generally accept your bigger position that Congress doesn't give a sh!t). If the Federal employees (which I believe is the largest civilian union in the country), all went into an uproar or found other employment, things would change. Hell, some of them might even look into who they should actually vote for next election.

In the overall scheme of things, federal employees don't amount to a hill of beans when compared to the rest of the voting public. It wouldn't make a difference either way.

 

[JustStoppingBy]

I know MANY examples of Federal Gov't employees who don't give a rats ass about the shutdown knowing it's likely only going to amount to a few days/couple weeks and they will get all their pay back. It amounts to a vacation for them. If they weren't to get paid, they'd certainly speak up when given the chance.

I can't argue the MANY but would certainly argue all. We, meaning my division, did not receive back pay during the last furlough. You took leave or LWOP.

But I'm curious as to why you, and many others, seem to be be pissed at the Federal workers, like we have anything to do with it. Hoping it lasts several months?

Knowing that Congress isn't affected by any of this, why do you want to see the federal workforce out of work?

 

[BernieP]

He voted no on the continuing resolution because he thinks those things are lazy bull#### - Congress should vote on the budget and stop dicking around.

I agree with him there. A true balanced budget might not be realistic and it may not be what we want. But there is s #### ton of wasted spending, and I'm not talking about expensive airplanes.
We don't zero base budget so programs live on beyond their useful life. We add pork to the budget by tacking on riders (or earmarks) to legislation.
A better budget would be achieved, one that would save money, if zero based budgeting were employed and bills were kept simple (straight forward) and not padded with slop.
Don't hold cancer research hostage for video game research.

Pass a budget, not being fully funded wastes more money than it saves.

 

[littlelady]

Politics is exhausting, anymore. I need to stop watching/reading the news. What will be, will be. We have survived, so far. Just, please, exercise your right to vote, y’all, and hope it counts.

 

[awpitt]

I can't argue the MANY but would certainly argue all. We, meaning my division, did not receive back pay during the last furlough. You took leave or LWOP.

That sounds odd. I'm assuming you're civil service, right? Or no? Because every govt employee I know got their back pay after the last furlough.

 

[vraiblonde]

I agree with him there.

I agree with Rand Paul on a number of things. Unfortunately he insists on the way things *should* be and doesn't want to work with what they are. I admire his principle, but his protest votes don't amount a hill of ####. It's like writing in Mickey Mouse because you don't like either of the candidates, one of whom will definitely win. It's wasted effort and just makes the protestor feel self-righteous. If Rand Paul really wanted to move his ball forward, he'd get in there and play, not just armchair quarterback.

 

[Baker12]

Government employees epitomize laziness, not to mention the insane amount of redundancy in govt positions and the general lack of education

 

[MiddleGround]

Government employees epitomize laziness, not to mention the insane amount of redundancy in govt positions and the general lack of education

Redundancy?? That's a laugh!

My civil service friend complains all the time about not being able to get things done because of the single point of failure system that the government has. He is constantly unable to process work in an efficient manner because the person (or people) that need to approve are on travel, leave, out sick, etc.

 

[Baker12]

wow. One example completely changes things. Come to downtown DC and ask anyone of these useful idiots what they do all day, and half of them say "watch porn"

 

[MiddleGround]

wow. One example completely changes things. Come to downtown DC and ask anyone of these useful idiots what they do all day, and half of them say "watch porn"

And I can only guess that you are some sort of statistics logger for the federal government who has been recording this data for several years?? My single example is to be dismissed but, your complaint should be taken as gospel?