How many humans did god create?

How many people did god create?

  • 2- Adam and Eve

    Votes: 7 28.0%
  • 3- Adam, Eve, and lilith

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • unknown, god created lots of people, the bible just talks about 2

    Votes: 4 16.0%
  • none, the story is just a story

    Votes: 14 56.0%

  • Total voters
    25

Dodgem250

New Member
How old is God?

No really... if anyone can answer this question, then we can see if God actually did in fact create man. I have been asking this question my whole life, and it's funny you know, no one has answered it yet. I have always felt that no one wants to make a comment and any one with half an intelligent mind would know that they would stepping right in a big pile of "...chicken or egg"

So, do not ask the question if God created man, unless you know how old he is.
 

Marie

New Member
this comes from a discussion in another thread.

please explain your answer.


Lilth is Jewish Folklore, and is only mentioned once in scripture in passing, as a creature, not as Adams first wife that rebelled like the tale goes. Even the Jews dont reconize her in scripture in Genesis!
 

Dodgem250

New Member
kinda, there was a seperate discussion in another thread about Adam & Eve, their son Cain and where his wife came from. Some feel she came from Nod, which begs the discussion of where did the Nod'ians come from, then others feel his (Cain) wife was a close relative.


So... then there were three, is this where we get the word, Incest?
 

libby

New Member
My thought has always been that while God created all men, Adam and Eve were the first He infused with an eternal soul. I believe, at this point in my life, that there were other people on the earth, and after they had made these two "in His image", He may have gone on to do the same for others. If that is the case, then there is no "incest", as the others were not the product of the same parents.
But, that is JMHO.
 

Marie

New Member
LOL, yeah that's exactly the type of answer I was expecting to hear, see what I mean? Anyway, good try, but, rethink your answer and find a better one.


Ok so heres a question for you at one time man could live 900 years accordinmg to the Bible.That aside how long can a soul or spirit live?
What could possible cause it to die?
 

TimAllen

New Member
this comes from a discussion in another thread.

please explain your answer.

He created man "Adam" in his own image. Seeing that Adam needed a partner he took a rib from Adam and created Eve. After Eve at the fruit of knowledge and then coaxed Adam into eating it as well, they were banned from the Garden of Eden and God told Eve that she would have to have children.
 

Marie

New Member
Where did Cain's wife come from?
He married one of his sisters. We read of Cain Abel and Seth but they werent the only three children Adam and Eve had. Note Cain was concerned about being killed it would have been natural for one of his family to take revenge but God gave him a mark of protection. None of this would have been a concern if there wernt others out there. Remember they were commaned to be fruitfull and Multiple.

<DIR>en 4:13 Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is greater than I can bear.
Gen 4:14 Behold, you have driven me today away from the ground, and from your face I shall be hidden. I shall be a fugitive and a wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."
Gen 4:15 Then the LORD said to him, "Not so! If anyone kills Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold." And the LORD put a mark on Cain, lest any who found him should attack him.

So we dont go in circles we also have this verse to consider.

<DIR>Gen 3:20 The man called his wife's name Eve, because she was the mother of all living.
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TimAllen

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Where did Cain's wife come from?

Cain was the first child of Adam and Eve recorded in Scripture (Genesis 4:1). His brothers, Abel (Genesis 4:2) and Seth (Genesis 4:25), were part of the first generation of children ever born on this earth.

Even though only these three males are mentioned by name, Adam and Eve had other children. In Genesis 5:4 a statement sums up the life of Adam and Eve—“And the days of Adam after he had fathered Seth were eight hundred years. And he fathered sons and daughters.” This does not say when they were born. Many could have been born in the 130 years (Genesis 5:3) before Seth was born.

During their lives, Adam and Eve had a number of male and female children. The Jewish historian Josephus wrote that, “The number of Adam's children, as says the old tradition, was thirty-three sons and twenty-three daughters.”[11]

The Bible does not tell us how many children were born to Adam and Eve. However, considering their long life spans (Adam lived for 930 years—Genesis 5:5), it would seem reasonable to suggest there were many! Remember, They were commanded to “Be fruitful, and multiply” (Genesis 1:28).

It is reasonable to say according to this that Cain married his sister, niece, cousin etc... There would be no genetic anomalies due to the fact that Adam and Eve were perfect, made in God's image. Adam and Eve were related, Eve was created from the rib of Adam, therefore the DNA makeup of Eve would have been identical to Adam. God did not decree that marriage between close members of the same family was wrong until somtime in Leviticus. And another note about this topic Noah married his half sister, and God blessed that marriage, Adam was alive at this time as well.
 
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This_person

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Cain was the first child of Adam and Eve recorded in Scripture (Genesis 4:1). His brothers, Abel (Genesis 4:2) and Seth (Genesis 4:25), were part of the first generation of children ever born on this earth.

Even though only these three males are mentioned by name, Adam and Eve had other children. In Genesis 5:4 a statement sums up the life of Adam and Eve—“And the days of Adam after he had fathered Seth were eight hundred years. And he fathered sons and daughters.” This does not say when they were born. Many could have been born in the 130 years (Genesis 5:3) before Seth was born.
The Bible does not tell us how many children were born to Adam and Eve. However, considering their long life spans (Adam lived for 930 years—Genesis 5:5), it would seem reasonable to suggest there were many! Remember, They were commanded to “Be fruitful, and multiply” (Genesis 1:28).

It is reasonable to say according to this that Cain married his sister, niece, cousin etc... There would be no genetic anomalies due to the fact that Adam and Eve were perfect, made in God's image. Adam and Eve were related, Eve was created from the rib of Adam, therefore the DNA makeup of Eve would have been identical to Adam. God did not decree that marriage between close members of the same family was wrong until somtime in Leviticus. And another note about this topic Noah married his half sister, and God blessed that marriage, Adam was alive at this time as well.
Gen 5:4 (NIV) 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.​

While I think it's reasonable to say that perhaps Cain married a sister (though I personally think the Scripture makes that unlikely), I don't see how it could have been a cousin (Adam's brother's kid? Eve's sister?), or a niece (Did Abel marry somebody?) without there being the same issue of another creation.

I, personally, subscribe to the idea that - because it's importance is zero to the overall story - there was another creation besides Adam and Eve, and Cain's wife came from this other creation. The point in bringing out Adam in the story seems to me to be because of the fall from the Garden, and because Adam and Eve are Noah's ancestor's, thus giving us a full lineage. That there may have been other humans created is really not pertinent to the storyline, thus it's omitted as unnecessary detail.
 

TimAllen

New Member
Gen 5:4 (NIV) 4 After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters.​

While I think it's reasonable to say that perhaps Cain married a sister (though I personally think the Scripture makes that unlikely), I don't see how it could have been a cousin (Adam's brother's kid? Eve's sister?), or a niece (Did Abel marry somebody?) without there being the same issue of another creation.

I, personally, subscribe to the idea that - because it's importance is zero to the overall story - there was another creation besides Adam and Eve, and Cain's wife came from this other creation. The point in bringing out Adam in the story seems to me to be because of the fall from the Garden, and because Adam and Eve are Noah's ancestor's, thus giving us a full lineage. That there may have been other humans created is really not pertinent to the storyline, thus it's omitted as unnecessary detail.


I understand where you are coming from but, that would mean another creation was omitted. I don't believe that..There is no other creation. He could have married his Niece, one of his brother's daughters, It is more likely that he married a sister. The bible does not say he met his wife in Nod, it said he knew his wife, the word "knew" here meaning had sexual relations with her. He had a wife before he ever went to Nod. It was at that time that they had children,
 

This_person

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I understand where you are coming from but, that would mean another creation was omitted. I don't believe that..There is no other creation. He could have married his Niece, one of his brother's daughters, It is more likely that he married a sister.
Abel's daughter? I don't recall anything saying Abel got married. And, again, who would Abel have married then?

While I certainly understand being uncomfortable with another creation, what significance would that have on the story as a whole?
The bible does not say he met his wife in Nod, it said he knew his wife, the word "knew" here meaning had sexual relations with her. He had a wife before he ever went to Nod.
Why do you think that?
Gen 4:15 ...Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, [f] east of Eden.
17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch.​
Living in Nod is mentioned before a wife is mentioned.

It certainly could be that he had the wife first, but I don't see it as clearly saying one way or the other.
It was at that time that they had children,
And, their children had children.....

While I'm certainly not trying to say it can only be the way I am reading it (and, quite frankly, to me it's arguing whether JFK was wearing a charcoal or navy-blue suit when he was shot - what difference does it make?), what would be the significance of more creation than just Adam and Eve?
 

TimAllen

New Member
Abel's daughter? I don't recall anything saying Abel got married. And, again, who would Abel have married then?

While I certainly understand being uncomfortable with another creation, what significance would that have on the story as a whole?Why do you think that?
Gen 4:15 ...Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. 16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, [f] east of Eden.
17 Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch.​
Living in Nod is mentioned before a wife is mentioned.

It certainly could be that he had the wife first, but I don't see it as clearly saying one way or the other.And, their children had children.....

While I'm certainly not trying to say it can only be the way I am reading it (and, quite frankly, to me it's arguing whether JFK was wearing a charcoal or navy-blue suit when he was shot - what difference does it make?), what would be the significance of more creation than just Adam and Eve?

Well I consulted with my Dad who is a Pastor and asked him the same question being asked here. I explained to him the answer I gave, which is the way I learned, and not just from my Dad. I have gone to Church my whole life. Adam and Eve essentially were twins same exact DNA Eve was made from Adam's Rib, at that time in the Bible there was no such thing as incest, Adam and Eve were physically perfect human beings with no genetic anomalies. Cain and Abel were born first, Seth was born next, Cain did marry his sister, only because there was no other person to marry. They did not start having children until they traveled to Nod. Cain and his wife were together long before they "knew each other". Adam and Eve were charged by God to multiply the earth, and that is what they did. I cannot really debate this anymore, you are saying that somethings must have been omitted in the Word of God. Nothing was omitted it is written in the Boble you just have to understand it. You believe differently than I do, so I geuss we will leave it at that.
 

tommyjones

New Member
Well I consulted with my Dad who is a Pastor and asked him the same question being asked here. I explained to him the answer I gave, which is the way I learned, and not just from my Dad. I have gone to Church my whole life. Adam and Eve essentially were twins same exact DNA Eve was made from Adam's Rib, at that time in the Bible there was no such thing as incest, Adam and Eve were physically perfect human beings with no genetic anomalies. Cain and Abel were born first, Seth was born next, Cain did marry his sister, only because there was no other person to marry. They did not start having children until they traveled to Nod. Cain and his wife were together long before they "knew each other". Adam and Eve were charged by God to multiply the earth, and that is what they did. I cannot really debate this anymore, you are saying that somethings must have been omitted in the Word of God. Nothing was omitted it is written in the Boble you just have to understand it. You believe differently than I do, so I geuss we will leave it at that.

another thing to remember is that Cain was marked to keep people from killing him for revenge for what he did. why would god need to do this if the people of Nod were unrelated? they would have had no reason to attack him.
 
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