How many humans did god create?

[This_person]

Well I consulted with my Dad who is a Pastor and asked him the same question being asked here. ...Cain and his wife were together long before they "knew each other". ... I cannot really debate this anymore, you are saying that somethings must have been omitted in the Word of God. Nothing was omitted it is written in the Bible you just have to understand it. You believe differently than I do, so I geuss we will leave it at that.

As someone more learned than am I on the Bible, I'm interested to hear what your dad's basis is for this.

I'm not trying to say anything important was omitted. By my reading, Gen 2:4-7 shows Adam being created on Day 2. This is my first (as Tommy describes it) "interpretation. It seems quite clear, so I'm not sure how it's an interpretation. What I compare this with is Gen1:26-27, showing mankind (big picture) being created on Day 6. To me, there is no omission of information, just a different emphasis in different chapters due to the story line.

If it feels I'm arguing, I'm not. But, I keep hearing the same answer - "well, that's what I was taught". I'm not good with that as an answer, unless I can see the reason that is what's taught.

Would you be willing to ask your dad for his basis?

 

[TimAllen]

As someone more learned than am I on the Bible, I'm interested to hear what your dad's basis is for this.

I'm not trying to say anything important was omitted. By my reading, Gen 2:4-7 shows Adam being created on Day 2. This is my first (as Tommy describes it) "interpretation. It seems quite clear, so I'm not sure how it's an interpretation. What I compare this with is Gen1:26-27, showing mankind (big picture) being created on Day 6. To me, there is no omission of information, just a different emphasis in different chapters due to the story line.

If it feels I'm arguing, I'm not. But, I keep hearing the same answer - "well, that's what I was taught". I'm not good with that as an answer, unless I can see the reason that is what's taught.

Would you be willing to ask your dad for his basis?

I asked him assuming you would ask, I guess argue is a strong word it is more like a debate as to when and how. Anyway he did say it is easy to understand if you dont read more into it than there really is. Chapter 2 is not just ‘another’ account of creation because chapter 2 says nothing about the creation of the heavens and the earth, the atmosphere, the seas, the land, the sun, the stars, the moon, the sea creatures, etc. Chapter 2 mentions only things directly relevant to the creation of Adam and Eve and their life in the garden God prepared specially for them. Chapter 1 may be understood as creation from God’s perspective; it is ‘the big picture’, an overview of the whole. Chapter 2 views the more important aspects from man’s perspective.

 

[This_person]

I asked him assuming you would ask, I guess argue is a strong word it is more like a debate as to when and how. Anyway he did say it is easy to understand if you dont read more into it than there really is. Chapter 2 is not just ‘another’ account of creation because chapter 2 says nothing about the creation of the heavens and the earth, the atmosphere, the seas, the land, the sun, the stars, the moon, the sea creatures, etc.

Genesis 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man

Genesis 2:19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.​

But, it does

Chapter 2 mentions only things directly relevant to the creation of Adam and Eve and their life in the garden God prepared specially for them. Chapter 1 may be understood as creation from God’s perspective; it is ‘the big picture’, an overview of the whole. Chapter 2 views the more important aspects from man’s perspective.

Now, this I agree with. But, when it gives the specific timing of when Adam was created through the context of saying it's before the plants and before the animals (making it day 2), isn't it being pretty specific with timing? Even if the intent of Genesis 2 isn't timing (and, I agree that it's not, it's the account of Adam and Eve being created), isn't the timing still a pretty clear part of the story?

 

[TimAllen]

Genesis 2:4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created. When the LORD God made the earth and the heavens- 5 and no shrub of the field had yet appeared on the earth and no plant of the field had yet sprung up, for the LORD God had not sent rain on the earth and there was no man to work the ground, 6 but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground- the LORD God formed the man

Genesis 2:19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.​

But, it does Now, this I agree with. But, when it gives the specific timing of when Adam was created through the context of saying it's before the plants and before the animals (making it day 2), isn't it being pretty specific with timing? Even if the intent of Genesis 2 isn't timing (and, I agree that it's not, it's the account of Adam and Eve being created), isn't the timing still a pretty clear part of the story?

Have you ever read the part in the Bible where God tells us that we are not supposed to know everything? When you get to heaven that is when He said you will know all, every answer will be answered. There are some things that we just ar not supposed to know. So in saying that there was only one creation, Adam and Eve had alot of kids, God told Adam and Eve to multiply the earth and be fruitful... that did not just go for them it was meant for their kids as well. Everyone keeps talking about this second creation, it just isnt so, Cain married a sister, then went to Nod, Cain was marked so that his family would not kill him when he went to Nod, everyone was related back then there were no other creations. The Bible does not say that on the 2nd day he created one dude and then on the 6th day he created Adam, and then wait I have a better question for you.... You are so caught up with this second creation, you keep saying that it has to be because he created Adam twice, what about Eve...or were both Adam's getting with the same Eve...

Ok now Im done my rant.. There is...

1. God Trinity, there is God the Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit
2. Only Made one dude ADAM
3. Made one Chick from the One Dude and that was EVE
4. Adam and Eve had alot of kids
5. Those kids married each other and had kids...
6. There was no such thing as incest until the book of leviticus..

Now continue with the debate... I can only watch from now on because my face is turning blue... the only evidence you need is in the Bible.

 

[This_person]

Have you ever read the part in the Bible where God tells us that we are not supposed to know everything? When you get to heaven that is when He said you will know all, every answer will be answered. There are some things that we just ar not supposed to know.

Yes, I've made that argument repeatedly.

So in saying that there was only one creation,

Where does it say "only one creation"?

Adam and Eve had alot of kids, God told Adam and Eve to multiply the earth and be fruitful... that did not just go for them it was meant for their kids as well. Everyone keeps talking about this second creation, it just isnt so, Cain married a sister,

Can you demonstrate that with scripture, or is that an assumption?

then went to Nod, Cain was marked so that his family would not kill him when he went to Nod, everyone was related back then there were no other creations. The Bible does not say that on the 2nd day he created one dude and then on the 6th day he created Adam,

Nope, it says on the second day He created Adam, and on the sixth day even more people (at least Eve)

and then wait I have a better question for you.... You are so caught up with this second creation, you keep saying that it has to be because he created Adam twice,

I don't say He created Adam twice. I said the Gen 2 says He created Adam on the second day (before plants), and in Gen 1 it says he created mankind on day six (male and female He made them)

what about Eve...or were both Adam's getting with the same Eve...

Huh?

Ok now Im done my rant.. There is...

1. God Trinity, there is God the Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit
2. Only Made one dude ADAM
3. Made one Chick from the One Dude and that was EVE
4. Adam and Eve had alot of kids
5. Those kids married each other and had kids...
6. There was no such thing as incest until the book of leviticus..

Now continue with the debate... I can only watch from now on because my face is turning blue... the only evidence you need is in the Bible.

Can't and won't argue with the last part!