Hughesville Motorcylce PI

glhs837

Power with Control
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Try that. Cant really be where you would be in the driver seat at the line. One pic is 15 feet back from where you would be, the next available shot is from the right lane southbound.

You, IS, you're doing it right. Coming around that corner, seeing a car at that stop, if your not planning on him coming out, your doing it wrong. If its dark and you cant tell if there is a car there, you should be ready. Given what we have been told about this guys behavior in traffic already, he dpesnt seem the type to do that.
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
You, IS, you're doing it right. Coming around that corner, seeing a car at that stop, if your not planning on him coming out, your doing it wrong. If its dark and you cant tell if there is a car there, you should be ready. Given what we have been told about this guys behavior in traffic already, he dpesnt seem the type to do that.
Sorry, ole buddy; not much better. No matter though; I know the intersection very well.
As a motorcyclist (but even in my car), I look at the driver to make sure he/she sees me, then I look at their front wheel. If I see it move a hair, I tighten up and prepare for the worst...
 

ChevyGurl2007

*Soon To Be*
I hope the rider made it and is ok. As a rider of a Street Bike, i know alot of people dont like us because of some street bikes who ride stupid and make all street bikes look bad, not all ppl who ride street bike ride like that. Everyone who rides a bike ANY KIND dont matter if its a street or cruser bike, still not "Perfect"!! no matter how long you been driving if it was a year to 25 years it can happen to anyone. Who even said it was a street bike? who even said it was the bikers fault? when ever there is an accident involving a motorcycle, it was was comes up it being a street bike and that they were driving stupid and not paying attention. It could have been that cars fault. Cant really judge who fault it is UNTILL you get the facts, dont just assume it was the bikers fault. I mean when im driving i see cars whip in and out of traffic just as well as a motorcycle can, do you ever pay attention that were on the road or that were any where around you? most of the time you dont. I have been cut off plenty of times to where its not my fault and the car is not paying attention or they just dont give a crap. I mean its just not street bikes who act crazy Harley bike and any other brand or cruser riders do the same, but there a cruser so there should be a difference? NO! If you feel no sympathy for a street bike do you have sympathy for a cruser? were all on 2 wheels and the only difference is the way the bikes are look, sleek and sporty for a street bike then you have a Fat and noisy bike for the cruser, but since the street bike looks that way it does we all drive like a$$holes? NO!!! Everybody has "cut loose" before on there bike dont matter where you live or how you do it.
 
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Try that. Cant really be where you would be in the driver seat at the line. One pic is 15 feet back from where you would be, the next available shot is from the right lane southbound.

You, IS, you're doing it right. Coming around that corner, seeing a car at that stop, if your not planning on him coming out, your doing it wrong. If its dark and you cant tell if there is a car there, you should be ready. Given what we have been told about this guys behavior in traffic already, he dpesnt seem the type to do that.

Sorry, ole buddy; not much better. No matter though; I know the intersection very well.
As a motorcyclist (but even in my car), I look at the driver to make sure he/she sees me, then I look at their front wheel. If I see it move a hair, I tighten up and prepare for the worst...

Decent shot but you have to know what/where to see the hill and know the relationship of it to the roads - but a much better shot than the first :yay:

Either way, sitting on Old Rt. 5 to go onto North bound 5 is a bit tricky not because of the dirt hill, but because of the speed people come around that bend on the South bound lane.

If you pull up to, or slightly over that white line (where you are suppose to stop at) there is plenty of room to see with that dirt hill - this is if I am in a little passenger car, Jeep, full sized truck or even a Class-A Firetruck.

Should the pile of dirt go? Meh, who knows... but the problem I have seen is the pure speed at which people hit the bypass and if someone is clipping along at 65+ it does not take long to get from the bend to that spot where you come out off of old Rt. 5.

A real biatch is coming off of Gallant Green Road onto Rt. 5 South. Once you make it across the North bound lanes you have to get to neck breaking speeds just to merge. God help me if I am in a Firetruck trying to get into the right lane going South bound to get onto Old Route 5 to get fuel at the Dash-In...

People just haul ass up and down Rt 5 when they hit the bypass, from what we experience that is the real root of problems on that stretch of road.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
1. I hope the rider made it and is ok. As a rider of a Street Bike, i know alot of people dont like us because of some street bikes who ride stupid and make all street bikes look bad, not all ppl who ride street bike ride like that.

2. Everyone who rides a bike ANY KIND dont matter if its a street or cruser bike, still not "Perfect"!! no matter how long you been driving if it was a year to 25 years it can happen to anyone.


3. Who even said it was a street bike? who even said it was the bikers fault? when ever there is an accident involving a motorcycle, it was was comes up it being a street bike and that they were driving stupid and not paying attention. It could have been that cars fault. Cant really judge who fault it is UNTILL you get the facts, dont just assume it was the bikers fault.

4. I mean when im driving i see cars whip in and out of traffic just as well as a motorcycle can, do you ever pay attention that were on the road or that were any where around you? most of the time you dont. I have been cut off plenty of times to where its not my fault and the car is not paying attention or they just dont give a crap. I mean its just not street bikes who act crazy Harley bike and any other brand or cruser riders do the same, but there a cruser so there should be a difference? NO! If you feel no sympathy for a street bike do you have sympathy for a cruser? were all on 2 wheels and the only difference is the way the bikes are look, sleek and sporty for a street bike then you have a Fat and noisy bike for the cruser, but since the street bike looks that way it does we all drive like a$$holes? NO!!!

5. Everybody has "cut loose" before on there bike dont matter where you live or how you do it.


Hope you dont mind if I chopped this up into understandable bites:) I may not hit every point in each section, but I think we can get most of them:)

1. True, and those who judge all by the actions of a few are not in the right.

2. Nope, no one is perfect, even after 25 years, you can crash, I did just last month, and I have been riding since 1982. Nobody is saying that rider have to be perfect, they cant. But riders CAN ride responsibly, and whipping through traffic at a high speed differential isnt being responsible.

3. Not sure what you mean by "street bike", I will assume you mean "sport bike" but I think you might be seeing the coverage through a narrow focus. Generally speaking, it falls into two categories. Sportbike types who exceed safe speed, either in traffic or through a corner, running out of brakes, traction, or road, or cruiser types who either enter the roadway in front of folks, or folks enter in front of them. I think we covered a few times that there is no way to assign fault without more information, we were discussing different scenarios that could have been, given the info we have.

4. This seems to be addressing the person who said thay had no sympathy if it were a sportbike rider, and I agree with you on that basic point that its silly to assign sympathy based on style of bike. That said, you seem a bit biased yourself, with your "sexy sport bike" and "fat noisy cruiser":)

5. I do cut loose on all my machines from time to time, most, but not all folks do, but the key is where and when you do so. A blind curve leading to a entrance point, at night? That would not be my choice for where to cut loose.
 

lnmarsh

Love * Luck * Faith
Who even said it was a street bike? who even said it was the bikers fault? ...It could have been that cars fault.

Just to clarify... It was in fact a "street bike," "crotch rocket," or whatever you want to call it. It wasnt a cruiser... it was an ugly orange crotch rocket. Not that I think crotch rockets are ugly... it was just the color that got me. Bleh. :barf:

I will note that the car is "at fault" in the sense that the driver technically did not yield to oncomming traffic (the bike). The guy on the bike, however, was most likely going too fast to avoid the car - before the accident he flew up behind us doing well over the speed limit and had to brake HARD to keep from hitting us. So if he was in fact riding at excessive speeds, then the accident could be considered "no fault" since both parties failed to abide by traffic laws in one way or another.

I could be completely full of shyt but thats how I feel it panned out. I really hope the guy on the bike is OK... he guy in the car was completely unscathed.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
The driver might not be at fault at all. You are required to yield to oncoming traffic, but if you cannot see that traffic due to excessive speed, you are not responsible. Like the girl in Calvert, she could not have know the officer was going +90.
 

lnmarsh

Love * Luck * Faith
The driver might not be at fault at all. You are required to yield to oncoming traffic, but if you cannot see that traffic due to excessive speed, you are not responsible. Like the girl in Calvert, she could not have know the officer was going +90.

Thats why I mentioned it could be dubbed a "no fault accident." I should have added that if the guy on the bike was traveling at "reckless endangerment" speeds, then it could be completely pinned on him. But that whole part is speculation since nothing has been released as to his speed during impact.

The accident in Calvert makes me mad. The girl was crossing over Rt 4 North heading into her neighborhood when she was hit by the cop. Her car flipped and burst into flames on the grass at the entrance of her neighborhood. Her parents (and any friends, family, etc. living in the same neighborhood and/or area of town) have to drive by that piece of scorched earth EVERY TIME they enter or leave their neighborhood or just drive up Rt 4. That must be torture... I heard that the cop didnt even have his lights and/or sirens on and that he wasnt even responding to a call. Now that could just be rumor, but if thats really the case, it makes me MAD. Sometimes cops take advantage of their title and speed like crazy, yet civilians get pulled over for it. I've had cops blow by me on Rt 4, come up to a yellow light, flip on their lights to avoid having to stop, then turn them off and keep right on speeding down the road as soon as they clear the intersection (like in Superbad lol). It p1sses me off so bad. I know that not all cops do this, but I feel like police officers should be held to higher standards since they are in the business of LAW ENFORCEMENT... they shouldnt use the badge to get out of abiding by the laws they are supposed to enforce.

Ok so... :offtopic: I know. Sorry for the tangent... dont know where it came from LOL. Basically, the accident in Calvert makes me so mad because of what I said about him not even being on a call. And even if the cop was responding to a call, they should drive so fast as to put others in danger.
 

lnmarsh

Love * Luck * Faith

glhs837

Power with Control
Ah, I hoped that would be the case. Still bad head work, but at least in a good cause.

Now, about the "no-fault". I disagree there. Very few crashes are no fault, even fewer two vehicle crashes are. Barring a tree falling into the road, or a sinkhole, almost all crashes can be brought back to the root cause of driver malfunction. Fault might be shared, but shared fault isnt no fault. Two bad choices don't cancel out.

See, I look at this from an aviation standpoint, where we try not to sugar coat it when it goes wrong. By really looking at what went wrong, the "incident chain", we can identify where training could break those chains, and save lives.
 

lnmarsh

Love * Luck * Faith
Ah, I hoped that would be the case. Still bad head work, but at least in a good cause.

Now, about the "no-fault". I disagree there. Very few crashes are no fault, even fewer two vehicle crashes are. Barring a tree falling into the road, or a sinkhole, almost all crashes can be brought back to the root cause of driver malfunction. Fault might be shared, but shared fault isnt no fault. Two bad choices don't cancel out.

See, I look at this from an aviation standpoint, where we try not to sugar coat it when it goes wrong. By really looking at what went wrong, the "incident chain", we can identify where training could break those chains, and save lives.

I agree on the "bad head work" part.

The reason I say it could be considered a no-fault is because both parties could have been "at fault" in one way or another. I was involved in a no-fault accident two years ago. I came around a blind turn and rear ended a lady who was stopped in the middle of the road. I was at fault for rear-ending her. She was at fault for impeding traffic. The cop didnt write either of us a ticket and said he was considering it a "no fault."

Thats all Im going off of... But I can totally see where an aviator's standpoint may be a little different lol.
 
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