I’ll Say It: Elizabeth Warren Isn’t Likeable

[GURPS]

I don’t have a problem saying that Warren is unlikeable. She seems preachy and angry to me. Actually, she’s a combination of some of the horrible math teachers I endured in middle school, and a friend’s overly emotional mom.

This might sound pretty specific, but we’ve all met people like Warren. She’s an archetype of a genre that I’m pretty sure would turn off a lot of voters. What is more, she increasingly looks like a phony—a problem she is reinforcing by trying to copy Alexandria Ocasio Cortez’s Instagram game.

This is not an indictment of powerful women, but of Elizabeth Warren. I’m a fan of Nikki Haley. And though I’m no more ideologically simpatico to Nancy Pelosi, Krysten Sinema, or AOC than I am to Warren, the aforementioned progressive women seem kind of charming to me.


I’ll Say It: Elizabeth Warren Isn’t Likeable

 

[Monello]

I hope she wins the nomination so I can watch her debate Trump. I wonder how many beers she will drink on the campaign trail.

 

[glhs837]

I hope she wins the nomination so I can watch her debate Trump. I wonder how many beers she will drink on the campaign trail.

Stand by for super cringy staged diner sit-downs with "ordinary folks". And "impromtu" meetings with more "ordinary" citizens as she does things she "normally" does, like shop at Wal-Mart. Of course, every citizen she runs into will randomly be some member of a "group" she's panderi.... I mean concerned about.

 

[limblips]

Shouldn't she be in Washington trying to get a budget deal worked out instead of roaming the country stumping for a job she won't ever get?

 

[vraiblonde]

Everyone with more than a single brain cells says Fauxcahontas is unlikeable. She's this old scoldy biddy with an even worse pickle puss than Carly Fiorina. They would be better off running AOC or some other young energetic woman.

What's up with the Democrats and their female leadership? Don't they have any women other than cranky old broads who hate the world? Every last one of them has resting bitch face.

 

[This_person]

The problem is, no one calls men "unlikeable" - as if women have a different standard to meet of being "likeable". Men are azzholes, or crass, or unstatesman-like, or unrefined, or something like that.

I couldn't care less if she is "likeable". Her ideas are bad for the citizens and the nation. The whole discussion of "likeable" or not is moot.

 

[Salmon]

We know why she’s unpopular among men. I think the beer incident helps shake up misogynistic viewpoints. I think she needs similar overtures to win over stubborn men.

 

[This_person]

We know why she’s unpopular among men.

Yep, she has really bad ideas!

 

[Salmon]

Yep, she has really bad ideas!

Actually, she is true to her progressive ideology. We cannot afford voters to sit home any longer because they stupidly cannot spot differences between the Democratic and Republican candidates. There needs to a clear choice.

 

[black dog]

Actually, she is true to her progressive ideology. We cannot afford voters to sit home any longer because they stupidly cannot spot differences between the Democratic and Republican candidates. There needs to a clear choice.

 

[Salmon]

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Awww, you upset that Donnie boy is getting impeached?

 

[black dog]

Awww, you upset that Donnie boy is getting impeached?

Serious question,,,,,, Did you finish Junior High School?

 

[This_person]

Actually, she is true to her progressive ideology. We cannot afford voters to sit home any longer because they stupidly cannot spot differences between the Democratic and Republican candidates. There needs to a clear choice.

I agree she is true to her ideology. It's the ideology that is so horrendously flawed

I also agree there needs to be a clear choice, so people know not to choose her ideology.

 

[glhs837]

The problem is, no one calls men "unlikeable" - as if women have a different standard to meet of being "likeable". Men are azzholes, or crass, or unstatesman-like, or unrefined, or something like that.

I couldn't care less if she is "likeable". Her ideas are bad for the citizens and the nation. The whole discussion of "likeable" or not is moot.

Sure they do. Mitt Romney, unlikable. John Kerry, unlikable. Joe Biden, likable.

 

[SamSpade]

We know why she’s unpopular among men. I think the beer incident helps shake up misogynistic viewpoints. I think she needs similar overtures to win over stubborn men.

You're kidding? If she wanted to win ANYONE over with that video - it's not just phony, it's amateurish, the way the YouTube videos my nine year old watches that are
put together by teens trying to look cool to their peers and failing miserably. I already didn't like her ideas - but she was just John Kerry fake with that video.

 

[vraiblonde]

The problem is, no one calls men "unlikeable"

That's not true. They called both Trump AND Ted Cruz unlikeable, among other things.

It's a fact that you must be appealing to a large number of people in order to become President of the United States. Much of that appeal comes from personality and how you present yourself. That can also work the other way, as Hillary Clinton found out in 2016 and Lieawatha will be finding out in 2020.

Surely you don't think Barack Obama or Bill Clinton were elected because of their astute grasp of the issues?

 

[vraiblonde]

We know why she’s unpopular among men. I think the beer incident helps shake up misogynistic viewpoints. I think she needs similar overtures to win over stubborn men.

 

[glhs837]

We know why she’s unpopular among men. I think the beer incident helps shake up misogynistic viewpoints. I think she needs similar overtures to win over stubborn men.

I don't think any differently about the beer thing because she's a woman. Were that Al Gore doing the same thing, I would view it the same, because it's just not believable that she just happened to have some Michelob Ultr in the fridge and popped one open. It's like instragramming Trump changing the oil in his classic pickup truck. Just so far out from what that person is that it makes no sense.

 

[This_person]

That's not true. They called both Trump AND Ted Cruz unlikeable, among other things.

It's a fact that you must be appealing to a large number of people in order to become President of the United States. Much of that appeal comes from personality and how you present yourself. That can also work the other way, as Hillary Clinton found out in 2016 and Lieawatha will be finding out in 2020.

Surely you don't think Barack Obama or Bill Clinton were elected because of their astute grasp of the issues?

But, while they are "likeable" and not solid performers, I recall people wanted to have a beer with them, or give them oral sex, or smoke a joint with them.

Trump is very likeable one-on-one (according to reports of his admirers and detractors alike), but is very unlikeable in huge group settings. He won despite that, not because of it. He won because what makes him unlikeable was a desirable trait because of failures of likeable guys like Clinton and Obama - and Bush. You and I have made the argument together that "wanting to have a beer" with the candidate is a pretty stupid decision-making point for voting for a president.

My point, though, was that the term "unlikeable" is generally a female candidate word. "Likeable" guys are strong, or full of conviction, or personable, or something like that. Using such a term to describe a woman is viewed in a completely different manner - one that is arguably patronizing.

As I said, I could not care less if she is likeable any more than I care if Trump is likeable. Trump gets things done, many of which I really am glad he is getting done. I really don't like the public persona of Trump, but I just as much really don't care about that the way I do his policies. Most of those policies, and results, I like, so I'm glad he's president far more often than not glad.

I would judge candidate Warren by the same standard - is what she is calling for a good thing or a bad thing for the nation and its citizens? Nope, so I don't vote for her. Whether or not I'd have a beer with her is far beyond the point. It's like complaining about Trump's tanning-table skin color, or Hillary's hair style, or the length of Trump's tie or Hillary's pantsuits. These are not topics worthy of discussion when considering a presidential candidate. The best coiffed, most stylistic person with a great taste in adult beverage and the ability to carry on a conversation with a large swath of the voting public is very likely not a good candidate. Haven't we had enough of those to prove that point yet?

 

[Hijinx]

My problem with Warren is where did she come from and what gave her the idea that she was ready to become President.
She is basically a school teacher in a liberal college .

Now: When we look at Obama and realize that he got elected because he was a well-spoken mulatto, than I suppose most anyone is capable of the Presidency.
We might also look at Trumps experience and find him lacking.

Being a liberal and getting elected in Massachusetts is no big thing, the Kennedy's proved that.
I just don't see her as Presidential material.
Fact is I didn't see TRump as Presidential material either, just that he wasn't Hillary.
But he has done and is doing what I elected him for, in spite of being all alone.