I give up. Done. Finished. Quit.

[DipStick]

I thought you were done - finished. Then you say look to the SE and look for your mushroom cloud-head exploding.

Now you say every race matters - AARRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!

I say look to the deep SE, where most of the races and the biggies are held, and NASCAR SUCKS under the current improved format, just like it did the last seven years or so under the old format.

Left turns are very boring. Left turns with identical cars are painful to watch. Thus explains more people watching Woods get eliminated, thus explaining why reduced viewership and attendance at/for NASCAR will continue.

Also, Patrick is a nice looking gal that has not won squat and will not, but she is nothing to write home about, except maybe for those swamp people and loggers.

The more and more I think about it, this system is better than the Chase. The biggest problem NASCAR has is that drivers are perfectly content with riding around for a top-10 finish and not gambling or taking chances. Now, top-10 finishes may not even be enough to guarantee you survive elimination.

The tracks in the Chase suck except for Martinsville and Phoenix (Phoenix is an elimination race, thank God) but this is going to make drivers work for it.

And strategy might be a real thing in NASCAR again. Now, a lot more of those 15-30th place teams might gamble more often and take more chances to try to win races if it guarantees someone like a Front Row or a Swan Racing car a Chase berth and that helps those guys get sponsors.

The actual Chase Grid system is quite different than what was in the Charlotte Observer story.

 

[stgislander]

So the Talladega 500 will be an elimination race. Depending on if, when, and where the "big one" happens, there is a potential for a "dark horse" could win the championship. That should make things interesting.

 

[b23hqb]

I still will only very casually watch, if there is nothing else going on. Identical cars still suck.

Let Fords be Fords, Chevy's be Chevy's, Dodges and Toyota's be themselves, etc.

The best manufacturer's win. Period.

 

[homedepot20]

So the Talladega 500 will be an elimination race. Depending on if, when, and where the "big one" happens, there is a potential for a "dark horse" could win the championship. That should make things interesting.

DOVER - TALLADEGA- PHOENIX are Elimination Races . ALL good Tracks ! Glad NO "Boring A$$ Short Track" decides whom advances !

 

[DipStick]

So the Talladega 500 will be an elimination race. Depending on if, when, and where the "big one" happens, there is a potential for a "dark horse" could win the championship. That should make things interesting.

DOVER - TALLADEGA- PHOENIX are Elimination Races . ALL good Tracks ! Glad NO "Boring A$$ Short Track" decides whom advances !

I'd like to see Talladega and Martinsville swap. I'd also like to see NASCAR have the finale swap between Daytona, Homestead, Charlotte, Phoenix and Las Vegas each year instead of being in one location.

Hopefully all the elimination races and the finale get put on broadcast television. I'm not counting on ESPN to move those races to ABC even though they should but I imagine NBC probably will.

 

[homedepot20]

I'd like to see Talladega and Martinsville swap. I'd also like to see NASCAR have the finale swap between Daytona, Homestead, Charlotte, Phoenix and Las Vegas each year instead of being in one location.

Hopefully all the elimination races and the finale get put on broadcast television. I'm not counting on ESPN to move those races to ABC even though they should but I imagine NBC probably will.

I like your idea of swapping Eliminations tracks each year ! It would add some additional excitement & challege .

 

[gary_webb]

Even then, he wouldn't win a championship.

Ahem, Jr already has 2 Busch Championships silly.

I like the "win and you're in" idea. I'd rather them have a 36 race chase with 43 drivers though aka the old points system which wasn't broke and didn't need to be fixed.

Amen to that. I never did like the Chase and never will. I prefer consistency over dumb luck, ie Daytona and Talladega

NASCAR can change the points system all they want but it's still not going to prevent Jimmie Johnson from breaking the almighty Dale Earnhardt's record.

A little thing like 'death' prevented Dale from having a chance to win 15 Championships and gave JJ the opportunity.


The qualifying change may become interesting if everyone tears their cars up in the heat races, which is actually what they are. Or it could become a cluster f___.

 

[DipStick]

A little thing like 'death' prevented Dale from having a chance to win 15 Championships and gave JJ the opportunity.

Earnhardt's last championship came in 1994. His death was in 2001. Do you really think that, if he hadn't died, he had eight more championships in him? Obviously, I disagree. The man was 49 and NASCAR was in the middle of a sweeping youth movement. He probably had a few more top-10 seasons left in him before he was on his way to the television booth or something but he certainly didn't have eight more championships left.

 

[gary_webb]

Earnhardt's last championship came in 1994. His death was in 2001. Do you really think that, if he hadn't died, he had eight more championships in him? Obviously, I disagree. The man was 49 and NASCAR was in the middle of a sweeping youth movement. He probably had a few more top-10 seasons left in him before he was on his way to the television booth or something but he certainly didn't have eight more championships left.

Perhaps, but one thing is for sure, you are the last person on earth qualified to make that statement, but he would have had at least 2 more for sure. Don't you remember he finished 2nd in 2000, the year before he died.

Go to YouTube and search Die Hard 500, 2000 Talladega and you will see the greatest 15 laps ever run by any driver in any series on earth.

Let me take this time to inform you that I was watching Big E when you were still crapping in your diaper. I've forgotten more about Big E than you will ever know.

And what youth movement? Jeff Gordon was no youth movement and Tony Stewart was hitting everything but the pace car back then. Name the other youths, you can't because there were none unless you mean Jr and Kenseth. Jr had just beaten Kenseth two years in a row for the Busch Championship.

 

[DipStick]

Perhaps, but one thing is for sure, you are the last person on earth qualified to make that statement, but he would have had at least 2 more for sure. Don't you remember he finished 2nd in 2000, the year before he died.

Go to YouTube and search Die Hard 500, 2000 Talladega and you will see the greatest 15 laps ever run by any driver in any series on earth.

Let me take this time to inform you that I was watching Big E when you were still crapping in your diaper. I've forgotten more about Big E than you will ever know.

And what youth movement? Jeff Gordon was no youth movement and Tony Stewart was hitting everything but the pace car back then. Name the other youths, you can't because there were none unless you mean Jr and Kenseth. Jr had just beaten Kenseth two years in a row for the Busch Championship.

The 2000 Die Hard 500 is also a restrictor plate race.

Youth movement: Kurt Busch, Kevin Harvick, Kasey Kahne, Jimmie Johnson, Ryan Newman and so on...

Mark Martin finished second in the final standings in 2009... never won another race after that. Earnhardt was a few years away from retirement. Not trying to belittle his accomplishments or anything but the man would have been 50 years old at the end of the 2001 season.

 

[gary_webb]

The 2000 Die Hard 500 is also a restrictor plate race.

Youth movement: Kurt Busch, Kevin Harvick, Kasey Kahne, Jimmie Johnson, Ryan Newman and so on...

Mark Martin finished second in the final standings in 2009... never won another race after that. Earnhardt was a few years away from retirement. Not trying to belittle his accomplishments or anything but the man would have been 50 years old at the end of the 2001 season.

I'm thinking you should remember Martin raced with a neck injury all of 1999.

A little known fact is that Big E raced all of 1999 with a neck injury also, and had it operated on during the off season in the winter of 99-00. He was making his comeback in 2000 and finished 2nd to Gordon in the points.

He not only won in Talladega, but also won the last race which was Atlanta that year and lead the most laps too, falling just short of Gordon. He was on pace for his 8th Championship in 2001 but at Daytona dropped back to let Waltrip and Jr settle it amongst themselves and...

...You know the rest.

P.S. Harvick didn't have a Cup ride until Eardhardt Sr died. How in the world could you forget that?

 

[stgislander]

He was making his comeback in 2000 and finished 2nd to Gordon in the points.

Actually, Sr. finished 2nd to Bobby Labonte.

 

[DipStick]

I'm thinking you should remember Martin raced with a neck injury all of 1999.

A little known fact is that Big E raced all of 1999 with a neck injury also, and had it operated on during the off season in the winter of 99-00. He was making his comeback in 2000 and finished 2nd to Gordon in the points.

He not only won in Talladega, but also won the last race which was Atlanta that year and lead the most laps too, falling just short of Gordon. He was on pace for his 8th Championship in 2001 but at Daytona dropped back to let Waltrip and Jr settle it amongst themselves and...

...You know the rest.

P.S. Harvick didn't have a Cup ride until Eardhardt Sr died. How in the world could you forget that?

His Atlanta win wasn't in the last race that year. Earnhardt's Talladega win was impressive but it's still a restrictor plate race either way you look at it. He didn't have much time left. Just like every other veteran racer, they have a slump for a few years, snap out of it with a strong season or two and then fade away. Earnhardt was probably going to retire in a few years and concentrate on his son and DEI.

Harvick already had a Cup ride lined up at RCR. Earnhardt's death put him in the car one year sooner.

 

[homedepot20]

Actually, Sr. finished 2nd to Bobby Labonte.

JGR 1st NASCAR Winston Cup Championship

 

[gary_webb]

Actually, Sr. finished 2nd to Bobby Labonte.

Oops, got my years mixed up, that was 1995, but that was another second place finish in the points.

 

[gary_webb]

His Atlanta win wasn't in the last race that year. Earnhardt's Talladega win was impressive but it's still a restrictor plate race either way you look at it. He didn't have much time left. Just like every other veteran racer, they have a slump for a few years, snap out of it with a strong season or two and then fade away. Earnhardt was probably going to retire in a few years and concentrate on his son and DEI.

Harvick already had a Cup ride lined up at RCR. Earnhardt's death put him in the car one year sooner.

Yep, you 're right about one thing, Earnhardt beat Labonte in the first Atlanta race that year.

Talladega is still the most impressive drive ever and the fact that it was a restrictor plate race makes it even more impressive either way you look at it. The extra NO BULL million didn't hurt either.

So even though you admit Harvick wasn't in a cup car yet you still want to argue about it? Figures.

Hey, ask Harry Gantt if Big E was too old. Google it like you do everything else.

 

[gary_webb]

JGR 1st NASCAR Winston Cup Championship

Never knew you were such a Bobby Labonte fan TOY boy.

 

[homedepot20]

Never knew you were such a Bobby Labonte fan TOY boy.

TOY boy Bobby is ok! He showed the Tony Stewart the ropes at JGR before they let him go . Tony won 2 Championships at JGR !