I'm curious

[Larry Gude]

Yes I believe we would be better off had McCain won. I don't believe McCain would have made the fool of himself that obama has or made the country worse and such an embarassment.

And I believe Nancy Pelosi would still be speaker but, with larger majorities, and Reid and she may well have the votes to override vetoes.

Most people are like you; they think the presidency is everything. Yet, you, rightly, point to how thing went south from '06 to '08 when Nancy took over the House and now, it doesn't matter?

 

[acommondisaster]

Would those who voted for Obama post why?

He is black

What did you think he was going to do (with the economy)?

Make it black

Did you research him at all?

Yes, he is black

No, I didn't vote for him

Kinda sad but his skin color is the only reason he was given the presidency

I heartily disagree. While there were people who voted for him because he was black, he was also an anti-Bush vote. There were people who were sucked in by his tent revival Hope and Change show (and granted, for a short while, he does seem like a good speaker, until you listen to him ad nauseum, or he trips up and forgets he only sounds smart when he's got a teleprompter in front of him). And next to McCain, who looked and sounded like a doddering old fool, he seemed like a cool choice.

Then there are those who felt they had to make a statement and either vote for Obama or vote for someone they knew didn't have a prayer's chance of winning, just to make a statement. They figured the only way to "repair" the Republican party was to send a message and vote for Ron Paul, knowing this would mean a victory for Obama, but they thought it would force the Republicans realize they needed to change or become irrelevant and heck, how much can go wrong in 4 years?
And how much more conservative is Romney than say...Bush? So how did that voting AGAINST John McCain go, anyway?

 

[acommondisaster]

And I believe Nancy Pelosi would still be speaker but, with larger majorities, and Reid and she may well have the votes to override vetoes.

Most people are like you; they think the presidency is everything. Yet, you, rightly, point to how thing went south from '06 to '08 when Nancy took over the House and now, it doesn't matter?

Obamacare.

 

[SamSpade]

Reality is the mess we are in and reality is the 'in the box' mindset is both how we got here AND why, I say sadly, we don't seem to have much chance of getting out.

History says you are wrong, the status quo, time and again.

"History" says the future President will either be the Republican nominee, or the Democratic one. You can bet your paycheck on that one. A safer bet would be the sun won't rise tomorrow. I can't figure out how history is with you. "History" confirms what I say.

Further - I haven't seen a candidate in my lifetime who has been just what I wanted - or even most of it. Maybe you voted for Reagan. I didn't. I wrote in Nixon to make a political statement. It changed nothing.

Making a statement with your vote does absolutely nothing. Getting 50 million people to make the statement WITH you, does. You do that by getting several hundred million dollars, get a campaign, a message that resonates with the voters, and launching a campaign for the President.

Can you do that? No? I can't either. So I work with what I have - voting AGAINST the candidate I detest. This past election I was fortunate enough to have Charles Lollar running against Steny, but at this point I would vote for **ANYONE** other than Steny. THAT's how much I want him out - absolutely anyone would be better.

 

[Hank]

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[PsyOps]

Yes I believe we would be better off had McCain won. I don't believe McCain would have made the fool of himself that obama has or made the country worse and such an embarassment.

President McCain would have vetoed the "Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act". He would have vetoed stimulus. But would have accomplished little else with a dem congress. And I am with Larry, that with the stalemate between McCain and a dem-controlled congress, McCain would have either caved by the pressure, or voters would have been so pissed off that they would have kept the dems in control of congress.

Given a choice, I’ll take Obama with a GOP congress over a McCain/dem-controlled congress. As painful as it has been, having Americans get a taste of democrats forcing the country way to the left may turn out to be the better outcome. It’s becoming more and more evident that the GOP will increase their numbers in the house and probably take over the senate, and perhaps the WH. This probably would not have happened with McCain in the WH.

 

[SamSpade]

Given a choice, I’ll take Obama with a GOP congress over a McCain/dem-controlled congress. As painful as it has been, having Americans get a taste of democrats forcing the country way to the left may turn out to be the better outcome. It’s becoming more and more evident that the GOP will increase their numbers in the house and probably take over the senate, and perhaps the WH. This probably would not have happened with McCain in the WH.

IF Obamacare can be excised - IF a Republican wins the White House and they win the Senate (a long shot).

Otherwise, some form of it is here to stay. And if the Republicans lose control anytime in the future, we are stuck with it. NOT worth the result.

The country economically is worse now than when Obama took office, and I don't care what the pundits say, everything seems to point to their tinkering with the economy made it so. Remember, their best minds said that IF WE DID NOTHING, we'd be at 7% unemployment right about now. Now it looks as though we're going to dip back INTO recession - doesn't that point more towards the reality that all they ever did was spend a lot of money to push the disaster further down the road, but NOT fix the problem? Doesn't their explanation of what happened - that the economy was WORSE than they thought, suggest that what they have done - if they were right - should point to a slower recovery, but an actual recovery?

It's not happening. They made it worse. Moreover, they want to do the same things AGAIN to "improve" things. They're done. ANYONE would be better than this gang of nitwits. Heck, having NO President at all would be better.

 

[migtig]

Neither. "Roll Tide" was already taken.

Awesome. Like button.

That was my first thought that it was for 'bama not Obama. Not everything is political. It's G'd, country, football and family and not necessarily in that order.

 

[Larry Gude]

"History" says the future President will either be the Republican nominee, or the Democratic one. You can bet your paycheck on that one. A safer bet would be the sun won't rise tomorrow. I can't figure out how history is with you. "History" confirms what I say.

Further - I haven't seen a candidate in my lifetime who has been just what I wanted - or even most of it. Maybe you voted for Reagan. I didn't. I wrote in Nixon to make a political statement. It changed nothing.

Making a statement with your vote does absolutely nothing. Getting 50 million people to make the statement WITH you, does. You do that by getting several hundred million dollars, get a campaign, a message that resonates with the voters, and launching a campaign for the President.

Can you do that? No? I can't either. So I work with what I have - voting AGAINST the candidate I detest. This past election I was fortunate enough to have Charles Lollar running against Steny, but at this point I would vote for **ANYONE** other than Steny. THAT's how much I want him out - absolutely anyone would be better.

Man, the Whigs sure could have used you.

Had Ross Perot not bailed, I think he would have won. He was leading when he quit and he had THE message people like me want; just fix it. Enough with the corporations and unions and interest groups. Act in the national interest.

As for a third party and my vote, last time I checked Paul was still a GOP'er. I concede that it is a sure bet it will be a D or an R for now. That said, I am looking for an R that is more Paul and less Bush.

 

[Larry Gude]

Given a choice, I’ll take Obama with a GOP congress over a McCain/dem-controlled congress. As painful as it has been, having Americans get a taste of democrats forcing the country way to the left may turn out to be the better outcome. .

Going one better; there was no other way. The GOP screwed up so bad, they lost. In 2006 and 2008. Given that, the hope now is one of a much more right leaning, libertarian GOP. We had compassionate conservative. We had HUGE government GOP. We had expand entitlement GOP. We had neo con UN war GOP. We had inexplicable energy policy. Left leaning immigration policy.

Being GOP first, no matter what, is not my idea of patriotism and thinking the WH is the only thing that matters is to win a battle and lose the war.

 

[bcp]

Now is the time to try and get the right person in,
not once the parties tell us who we get to vote for. I am not at all convinced that elections are not determined by our government long before the whole campaign process begins.

With a closed and private ballet, tell me how hard it would be to have those counting just claim so and so get more votes, regardless of the actual public numbers. Who would know?

 

[PsyOps]

Going one better; there was no other way. The GOP screwed up so bad, they lost. In 2006 and 2008. Given that, the hope now is one of a much more right leaning, libertarian GOP. We had compassionate conservative. We had HUGE government GOP. We had expand entitlement GOP. We had neo con UN war GOP. We had inexplicable energy policy. Left leaning immigration policy.

Being GOP first, no matter what, is not my idea of patriotism and thinking the WH is the only thing that matters is to win a battle and lose the war.

Except to say the tide quickly turned in '10. Perhaps the shortest run the democrats ever had

But I'll keep saying that it's far more important the GOP - a conservative brand of GOP - taking over all of congress should be the goal. Not much talk about that, anywhere.

 

[Larry Gude]

Now is the time to try and get the right person in,
not once the parties tell us who we get to vote for. I am not at all convinced that elections are not determined by our government long before the whole campaign process begins.

With a closed and private ballet, tell me how hard it would be to have those counting just claim so and so get more votes, regardless of the actual public numbers. Who would know?

Based on this forum, if Ron Paul won, we'd know it was fixed!

 

[Larry Gude]

But I'll keep saying that it's far more important the GOP - a conservative brand of GOP - taking over all of congress should be the goal. Not much talk about that, anywhere.

We agree and a Dubbya big government type in the WH is going to turn all that right back around and then we get Nancy back. If we go with the probable, then it's Romney and what is he gonna do? He supports TARP. Obama used his health plan as part of his blue print. He's leading now but, why? On what grounds is he leading other than 'Next in line' and... :shrug:

So, if he doesn't get energy down, a lot, and solve the housing mess, the core issues holding down the economy, then what? His idea of stimulus? Some other form of government health care? His? Immigration? The wars? I'd be more comfortable if our right wing friends had reasons beyond "He isn't Obama'.

 

[SamSpade]

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But I'll keep saying that it's far more important the GOP - a conservative brand of GOP - taking over all of congress should be the goal. Not much talk about that, anywhere.

Not sure where you're reading, but all the talk is about the real possibility of taking the Senate in 2012, because the Democrats are defending a lot more seats than the Republicans are.

Take a look here --

RealClearPolitics - 2012 Election Maps - Battle for the Senate

The GOP just needs to take three of those seats in the middle grey area. I think Virginia and Montana are practically a given, but the others might be tough. There's probably no likelihood the GOP will get anything but a slim majority but it is a very very real possibility.

It's too early to see how the House will look - too many seats and not enough data this early. But taking the Senate IS being talked about, a lot.

 

[aps45819]

and even more importantly he's not a republican.

we've had enough of that civil rights crap and the government allowing people to become rich.