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AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
I don't see how some wiz bang tool that can be converted do 'everything' can be truly good at anything.



Find what you like. Get good and comfortable with it says I. :buddies:

If the frame is the same and you're putting on a different caliber barrel or slide I don't see what the issue is? It is not as though the gun isn't made to be taken apart anyway.

Of course if it the intial gun is not proven to start with then yeah, which IMO is the issue with the Sig p250, Sig has gone down hill the last 10 years, QC is not there. I have 2 older sigs I own that are really good guns, the one I carry at work was manufactured about 2 years ago and on the inside of the slide, where the barrel fits into it, the metal has chipped away a V shaped gap. Now, the gun has been flawless, besides not locking to the rear after the mag is empty a few times but still.
 

Novus Collectus

New Member
In a stand up slug fest I would trust my 1911 built in 1918 over my Glock 19. Just my opinion.
There is a Glock lover over on the MDShooters board who is offering a 2,000 round challenge between his Glock and any 1911. The one that loses buys a dinner or picks up a beer tab or something.
 

Novus Collectus

New Member
Gather 'round, children.

In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was the pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it worketh. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain.

And shouldst thou muck with it and hang all manner of foul implements upon it, and profane its internal parts, thou shalt surely fail and have malfunctions, and in the midst of battle thou shalt surely come to harm.

And as the ages passed, men in their ignorance and arrogance didst forget the word of the Lord and began to profane the 1911. The tribe of the gamesman did place recoil spring guides and extended slide releases upon the 1911, and their metalsmiths didst tighten the tolerances and alter parts to their liking, their clarity of mind being clouded by lust.

The artisans did hang all manner of foul implements upon the 1911 and did so alter it that it became impractical to purchase. For lo, the artisans did charge a great tax upon the purchasers of the 1911 so that the lowly field worker could not afford one. And the profaning of the internal parts didst render it unworkable when the dust of the land fell upon it. And lo, they did install adjustable sights, which are an abomination unto the Lord, for they doth break and lose their zero when thou dost need true aim. And those who have done so will be slain in great numbers by their enemies in the great battle.

And it came to pass that the Lord didst see the abomination wrought by man and didst cause, as He had warned, fearful malfunction to come upon the abominations and upon the artisans who thought they could do no wrong.

Seeing the malfunctions and the confusion of men the Lord of the underworld did see an opportunity to further ensnare man and didst bring forth pistols made of plastic, whose form was such that they looked and felt like a brick, yet the eyes of man being clouded, they were consumed by the plastic pistol and did buy vast quantities of them.

And being a deceitful spirit the Devil did make these plastic pistols unamenable to the artisans of earth and they were unable to muck much with the design, and lo these pistols did function.

And the evil one also brought forth pistols in which the trigger didst both #### and fire them, and which require a 'Dingus' to make them appear safe.

But man being stupid did not understand these new pistols and did proceed to shoot themselves with the plastic pistol, and with the trigger cocking pistols, for lo, their manual of arms required great intelligence which man had long since forsaken.

Yet man did not repent of his evil ways, but continued to gloat over these new pistols blaming Satan for the negligent discharges which they themselves had committed.

And when man had been totally ensnared with the plastic pistol the Devil didst cause a plague of the terrible Ka-BOOM to descend upon man and the plastic pistols delivered their retribution upon men. And there was great wailing and gnashing of teeth in the land.

Then seeing that the eyes of man were slowly being opened and that man was truly sorrowful for his sinful misdeeds, the Lord did send his messengers in the form of artisans who did hear and obey the teachings of the Prophet and who didst restore the profaned 1911's to their proper configuration, and lo, to the amazement of men they didst begin to work as the Prophet intended."

Amen
Ed

:killingme
 

dustin

UAIOE
Glock 19/23 and 26/27 have the ability to be converted back in forth between 9mm and .40, I have a G19 and I can wear in an IWB M-Tac holster from Comp-Tac and forget I even have it there. The G19/23 is the perfect size IMO, small enough to conceal yet large enough to be a full fledged combat handgun.
I was unaware about those glocks being able to be converted back and forth. good info! :cheers: my brother has a 27 and he seems to enjoy it

Anyone handled an EAA Witness? Supposedly made by an Italian firm (which doesnt mean anything really). They can convert calibers as well...

I like this option in pistols... especially if there is a .22 kit available...

Ive handled the single stack 1911's (i believe this one was a bas GI) and like the grip even though it is a bit too long for me... i dont like the grip safety. except for possibility of limp wristing it i want the gun to go bang if i dont have a perfect grip on it. though i have never shot a 1911 so i couldnt say how one's grip can affect the gun function.

I have considered revolvers in the past (used to have a 5" Taurus 94 in .22LR), and have gone back and forth between them and semiautos in desirability... i guess i think in a home defense situation I would be quicker at taking the gun out of the safe and placing the mag in it (mag located in seperate location), than taking a wheelgun out of the safe and using a speedloader... plus if'n we ever move back to a CCW state I would prefer to carry a semiauto....
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
There is a Glock lover over on the MDShooters board who is offering a 2,000 round challenge between his Glock and any 1911. The one that loses buys a dinner or picks up a beer tab or something.

My ONLY beef with Glocks is the trigger safety. It's the round BEFORE the 2,000 starts or the one right after.

Accidental and unintentional discharges.
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
I like this option in pistols... especially if there is a .22 kit available...



i guess i think in a home defense situation I would be quicker at taking the gun out of the safe and placing the mag in it (mag located in seperate location), than taking a wheelgun out of the safe and using a speedloader... semiauto....

.22 conversion is available for the Glock also.


Why would you keep a gun in the safe without the mag in and round chambered? Or very least mag in, empty chamber.
 

dustin

UAIOE
.22 conversion is available for the Glock also.


Why would you keep a gun in the safe without the mag in and round chambered? Or very least mag in, empty chamber.
Ideally I would keep the mag in. I'm just comparing on highest level of weapon security... short of disassembling them and using locks...

How often do your rotate mags to avoid spring fatigue?
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Ideally I would keep the mag in. I'm just comparing on highest level of weapon security... short of disassembling them and using locks...

How often do your rotate mags to avoid spring fatigue?

In a quality mag, spring wear comes from use, loading and unloading, if kept loaded or unloaded the difference in wear on the spring isn't worth comparing. I've had mags that I've not touched for 5 years or more, taken them to shoot and they worked flawless.

The only concern is the first round, for example if you keep chambering the same round over and over with out firing it, the bullet can get set back in the casing. Certain rounds with certain guns are especially susceptable to this.
 

Lugnut

I'm Rick James #####!
well i hope to be picking something up in a few months when i get back to the states.
originally i was looking to get a subcompact for CCW in North carolina but I have shore duty orders to Pax River again (to report in July) so that pretty much kills that idea of CCW.

Ive been doing a lot of internet gun browsing but I'll still want to go to the gun shops and hold them to see which I like best. Looking at 9mm or .40... 9mm cheaper to practice with.

I hear the base pistol range is still open on Pax so I'm hoping that will be an option for range time.

I really like the concept of the P250 (ability to change calibers) but I'm also diggin the Taurus 24/7 and 809, the S&W M&P, glock 26 or 27, a few others... prefer DAO though.

I'm a .40 fan and have glocks. about 30,000 rounds on a G22 and a few thousand each on a G27 and G23. I've had two malfunctions, both were magazine related. One was a cracked body the other was a floor plate.

9mm is cheaper but not by too much any more. I havent seen .22 conversions for the G26/27 but there are a couple for the 19/23 and 17/22. And you can drop a .357Sig barrel in the .40S&W models and go shoot with the same magazines. No other mods necessary.

My ONLY beef with Glocks is the trigger safety. It's the round BEFORE the 2,000 starts or the one right after.

Accidental and unintentional discharges.

Not sure what you mean by this Larry, can you expand?
 
I have a question for those of you whom are fans of .40. Why do you prefer it over .45ACP? I ask out of sincere curiosity, not any sort of derision. I've talked to a few people who prefer .40, but never heard any reasons that were compelling to me.

I personally prefer .45, and every semi-auto I own is chambered as such, except for one 9mm. I mostly own it for giggles and for the occasions when a smallish female wants to learn to handle a firearm and might be intimidated by .45 the first time they ever shoot.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
well i hope to be picking something up in a few months when i get back to the states.
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DOes the military still have Rod an Gun clubs on bases overseas??

We used to be able to get HUGE deals on foreign made guns. I bought a Sako FinnBEar in .25-.06 for $250 in the mid 80's (retail was over 800).. and at the time consecutive serial number H&K revolvers in .22 for $30 each..

With all the new gun laws in the US I can see it being another lost memory and benefit to serving in the military.
 

Lugnut

I'm Rick James #####!
I have a question for those of you whom are fans of .40. Why do you prefer it over .45ACP? I ask out of sincere curiosity, not any sort of derision. I've talked to a few people who prefer .40, but never heard any reasons that were compelling to me.

I personally prefer .45, and every semi-auto I own is chambered as such, except for one 9mm. I mostly own it for giggles and for the occasions when a smallish female wants to learn to handle a firearm and might be intimidated by .45 the first time they ever shoot.

For me it's a good compromise between big lead (The .45) and magazine capacity (9mm). The ballistics and gelatin results are close and I get twice as many rounds in a smaller lighter frame.
 

Lugnut

I'm Rick James #####!
The big bad DEA agent shooting himself in front of a bunch of school kids..

Ah OK, I've seen that :lmao: he later sued the DEA for releasing the video clip, but he never did sue Glock for the "faulty handgun..." :lol:
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
...with a Glock. It's a move known as a 'Plax'.

Can't blame that on the glock, same thing would of happened with any gun, the dummy didn't eject the mag before he "cleared" the chamber. As far as Plax goes, yeah if you are gonna carry a glock you should probably carry it in a proper holster instead of like a thug, but I guess that makes too much sense for those kind of idiots.

Two simple things that will prevent any unintended discharge:
1. Maintain proper control of your firearm
2. Don't pull the trigger until you are ready to destroy the target.
 
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