Interesting Reading About McCain

[Bann]

I've heard about an interview that John McCain gave to Cuban shrink Barral that took place in Hanoi in 1970. I have seen a picture of the interview in the Office of the Committee for Foreign Cultural Relations, which is certainly not the Hanoi Hilton or a military hospital where McCain claims all his contact with interrogators took place.

The McCain legend is that he was held in solitary confinement and largely left to rot, and when tortured to provide information about the Navy he cleverly decieved his captors by giving them the names of Green Bay Packers players, but looking at this interview, and the copies of message traffic about subsequent interviews, McCain was telling the NV and anyone else who asked for information everything but show sizes.

I had no idea McCain gave out all this information! And I thought he was a low-life before!!!


CIA Reports on POW John McCain

You and Ted Sampley must be twins who were separated at birth!!

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Gee... that reminds me of the deniers who used to put there hands over there eyes and say "this is just Clinton bashing!" when reports of Broderick and the other victims of Clinton's abuses came to light.

Why don't you read the transcript before you start denying? Are you really that afraid of the truth?

Read my posts before you start labeling me in such ways.

I've stuck up for you 60% of the time, and we've agreed over the Wright non-issue and the other non-issues in Decision 2008.

I throw my bs flag when it needs to be thrown, and my input this election has been very minimal.

It's amazing how I'm a blinded conservative when I don't agree with the leftists and I'm a socialist when I don't agree with the righties. :shrug:

 

[Bann]

Hmmm that's an interesting question. How would a guy who was supposed to be locked away in solitary confinement and not talking to anybody know anything about the Tet Offensive or current chains of command... unless he had access to that information by the NV. He seems to know a lot about what's going on with the war in that interview... how could he know it unless the NVs were letting him read and analyze information?

Oh, I know, that doctor decided to make up all those comments in 1970 just in case the yankee pilot might someday run for president. Oh wait... that's right, those comments were cleverly added to the transcript a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, that must be it. Oh wait... Obama gave the interview... yeah that nust be it.

For shame on you, Bruzilla. You went to the link I posted on another thread to the MIAFACTS.org website and then went digging for this propaganda to post here as some kind of fact.

From MIA Facts:
The Cuban Version of Events

The following is a translation by the US Foreign Boradcast Information Service (FBIS) of an article published by the cuban news service Granma.​

Now, this article puts the MIA "activist" community in something of a bind. During the Vietnam War, Dr. Fernando Barral, a Cuban propaganda officer posing as a psychiatrist and claiming to be a journalist, "interviewed" Senator John McCain while McCain was a POW in Hanoi. Granma later published and broadcast the propaganda version of this meeting. McCain's statements were misrepresented in the Granma report but the "activists" use this Vietnamese-Cuban propaganda to claim that McCain is a traitor. Read this article for more. If the "activists" now claim that Granma misrepresented the substance of Beck's visit, how then can they rely on Granma's rendition of McCain's "interview?" Of course, consistency of logic was never a strong point among the true believers.​

Beck Visits Cuba (scroll down to the bottom 1/2 of the pg. for this section)​

 

[Bann]

Oh - My - Lord! The NV came up with a brilliant scheme with this Cuban doctor to make-up all these statements from McCain. And the picture of McCain sitting in the office that he supposedly never went to... oh yeah, the NV made up a fake office in his cell at the HH... yeah, that's what happened.
There truly are none so blind...?

The "Cuban Program": Misrepresentations Galore

When the US POWs returned from captivity in Vietnam in 1973, they were debriefed about their experiences. One chilling story emerged. I read the files on this incident during my tenure in the Defense Intelligence Agency but that was a decade ago and my memory of the details is not really clear, but, here goes.

The Defense Intelligence Agency identified a group of Caucasian interrogators who we believe were Cubans that beat and tortured a group of 19 of our POWs -- leading to the death of one of the 19 men -- between August 1967 and July 1968. That episode has come to be known as the "Cuban Program."


A Sad Story

 

[chernmax]

I agree with you, but us to be right the person in question actually has to be under constant life threatening torture, and that seems to not be the case. Why don't you read the transcript? The doctor notes that McCain had recovered from the injuries he sustained in the ejection and only has some minor problems with one of his hands... not exactly the "tortured so bad he couldn't raise his arms" condition we have been led to believe is the truth.

Also, McCain has always claimed that all he did was sign some confessions, and when asked about the military command structure he said that he fooled his captors by giving them the names of Green Bay football players, but in that interview he's telling the guy all about who does what... and he's no talking about football players.

Another untruth seems to be what McCain sain in an interview with US News and World Report, John McCain, Prisoner of War: A First-Person Account - US News and World Report, in 1973 where he says "I said, "O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital." Then at the hospital he says "Sometime later, "The Bug" came rushing into the room, shouting, "Your father is a big admiral; now we take you to the hospital."

Now think about that. This is 1967, in the third-world nation of North Vietnam. There is no internet... no electronic databases... barely even any telephones... but the NV are able to determine who John McCain is within four days of his arrival at the prison. McCain makes it sound like the NV somehow discovered his identify, but there's only one way they could have identified him that quickly - he told them who he was!

So, he promises to give up military information in return for medical care, he gets medical care. What did he give up to get it? According to some he gave up all the entry/egress routes for attacks into North Vietnam, along with lists of key targets. This is just allegations, but what is factual is that shortly after McCain's capture, the NVs relocated air defenses to positions along the entry/egreess routes an to near key targets of Operation Rolling Thunder, and casualties increased over 60%. An amazing coincidence don't you think? Previous to McCain's capture, the NVs had been taking a pounding due to their poor locating of air defenses, after McCain's capture they reposition and start pounding our guys but good. Yeah... must be a coincidence.

Anyway... if McCain is going to use his time as a POW to justify people voting for him, then the people ought to look at what he did as a POW.

Why don't you send your bullsh!t to NObama and request he use it against McCain, I double dog dare you. You are a idiot to ever attack a former POW with your speculation and guess work. NOTHING you can pull out your ass can be substantiated seeming how the US Government had the confidence to allow McCain to continue his military career even after returning home after 5-1/2 years as a POW. What's your pain threshold sh!t for brains, how much can you take, when do you break down from mental and physical torture? Explain it to us? Tell us how tough you think you are? How dare you attack someone who has lived something you will never know in your lifetime. I'd spit in your face if you stood next to me posting this stupid crap.

So, how much pain and torture can you take? Enlighten us, we would like to know how you would do things differently. NObama is going down, if he even hinted toward the absolute bullsh!t you are trying to feed us, he'll not only go down, he'll go down in flames. You have just matched Forestool on the SOMD idiot list.

You rhetoric on this forum is only reinforcing what idiots stand behind NObama and with every post you make, another vote goes to McCain. Thanks for supporting us...

 

[Sonsie]

Why don't you send your bullsh!t to NObama and request he use it against McCain, I double dog dare you. You are a idiot to ever attack a former POW with your speculation and guess work. NOTHING you can pull out your ass can be substantiated seeming how the US Government had the confidence to allow McCain to continue his military career even after returning home after 5-1/2 years as a POW. What's your pain threshold sh!t for brains, how much can you take, when do you break down from mental and physical torture? Explain it to us? Tell us how tough you think you are? How dare you attack someone who has lived something you will never know in your lifetime. I'd spit in your face if you stood next to me posting this stupid crap.

So, how much pain and torture can you take? Enlighten us, we would like to know how you would do things differently. NObama is going down, if he even hinted toward the absolute bullsh!t you are trying to feed us, he'll not only go down, he'll go down in flames. You have just matched Forestool on the SOMD idiot list.

You rhetoric on this forum is only reinforcing what idiots stand behind NObama and with every post you make, another vote goes to McCain. Thanks for supporting us...

 

[itsbob]

Now you've peaked my curiousity..

What did you edit VRAI!??

 

[chernmax]

Now you've peaked my curiousity..

What did you edit VRAI!??

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[vraiblonde]

Now you've peaked my curiousity..

What did you edit VRAI!??

Naughty words.

 

[ImnoMensa]

I think I saw in one of Bruzilla's post a while back before I iggied him that he is living in Florida. Glad he isnt in Southern Maryland. We have enough problems here without that one.