Intersection opinions

[FireBrand]

What do you mean??

No matter what traffic pattern you impose, there is always some dumbass that is going to try to cheat it !

 

[Realist]

What do you mean??

I thought you were making commentary on the intellect of the indigenous population

 

[FireBrand]

I thought you were making commentary on the intellect of the indigenous population

Do you always reply to your own posts ? Get Real !

 

[Drummer091781]

You have to learn how to spell before you can write a paper!

 

[AEDGT]

You have to learn how to spell before you can write a paper!

this has already been pointed out in previous posts, and since this is not my paper i dont really care how my spelling is...


to everyone else that has kept this on topic thank you very much, if you have any more input between now and tommorow in the early afternoon i would love to hear about it, specifically about soultutions. The main part of my paper is going to be about the U-turns and the merge lanes onto rt.235 and into sheets/ wawa from rt. 235.

 

[aps45819]

Capitalization, spelling, grammar, and punctuation are all important skills.

hopefully your teacher will 'splaine it to you when you hand in your paper.

The Rt.4/235 and the Chancellors Run/235 intersections are well designed and would work IF local drivers followed basic traffic rules and courtesy. These 2 elements are missing and have created a hazardous condition.
Drivers turning left in a multilane turn don't stay in the lane they're supposed to be in. Causes are speed (for the vehicle type) and they're like cows and will follow the car in front of them.
Very few people use their turn signals when changing lanes, this includes moving over to the right turn lanes. Evidently WHEN you get into the right turn lane seems to be a problem for some folks.
Autos and roads are constantly improved, the ONLY part of traffic that gets worse is the drivers. No skill is required to get a license, just the ability to pass a written and very short driving test under ideal conditions. The feel good mantra of "saving lives" has removed the natural selection process that would weed out the bad drivers with air bags, seat belts, side intrusion beams and Lexus even has a car that will parallel park itself.

 

[onebdzee]

Causes are speed (for the vehicle type) and they're like cows and will follow the car in front of them.

I was on my way home on Saturday on the bike(in the rain) and almost hit a cow that had escaped from it's field....youngest was on the back and got all excited

Ok....back to the tread at hand

 

[vraiblonde]

The Rt.4/235 and the Chancellors Run/235 intersections are well designed and would work IF local drivers followed basic traffic rules and courtesy.

Good design must allow for the SFU.

I see no need for that yield lane right turn off Chancellor's onto 235. You can't use it unless you have a green light or there are no cars coming, so there's no point in having it and it should have been just a straight out turn lane.

 

[aps45819]

The main part of my paper is going to be about the U-turns and the merge lanes onto rt.235 and into sheets/ wawa from rt. 235.

I have seen some idiots pull U turns from the right side turn lane on the multi lane left turns.
Merge? some folks get it. Pull into the right lane (that seems to elude a LOT of people), speed up to match traffic, signal (hard to do with a cell in one hand) and get over. No problem.
Waiting till all 4 lanes are clear to turn right, problem
Folks whipping into the stations with out signaling, problem
Folks signaling to turn into the station and right turners not looking and heading out, problem

It ain't the road, it's the idiots on it.

 

[aps45819]

I see no need for that yield lane right turn off Chancellor's onto 235. You can't use it unless you have a green light or there are no cars coming, so there's no point in having it and it should have been just a straight out turn lane.

I use it all the time. Look for right turn signals then take off.

 

[desertrat]

Good design must allow for the SFU.

I see no need for that yield lane right turn off Chancellor's onto 235. You can't use it unless you have a green light or there are no cars coming, so there's no point in having it and it should have been just a straight out turn lane.

I don't see a problem with it. Yield means yield. If no one is coming that may have to turn in to Sheetz you can go ahead and go. If there is any question just stay put. Sure it will irritate the idiot behind you that wants to go, but too bad.

 

[vraiblonde]

If no one is coming that may have to turn in to Sheetz you can go ahead and go. If there is any question just stay put.

Then it should have simply been a regular intersection with a right turn on red after stop.

But I'm getting with the program down here and figuring out the unwritten road rules. When I'm traveling south on 235 and getting ready to pass that intersection and turn into the Sheetz, I watch for my boy trying to make that right from Chancellor's Run.

 

[Ken King]

I don't see a problem with it. Yield means yield. If no one is coming that may have to turn in to Sheetz you can go ahead and go. If there is any question just stay put. Sure it will irritate the idiot behind you that wants to go, but too bad.

That's how I do it.

 

[desertrat]

Then it should have simply been a regular intersection with a right turn on red after stop.

But I'm getting with the program down here and figuring out the unwritten road rules. When I'm traveling south on 235 and getting ready to pass that intersection and turn into the Sheetz, I watch for my boy trying to make that right from Chancellor's Run.

A lot of the outlets on to 235 are made that way. Wildewood, coming out of the Wawa near Buck Hewitt, Rt 4 and 235. It's kinda scary, but does save time sometimes. The one that gets me is turning North on 235 from Shangri La. The traffic from S 235 does not stop when Shangri La's light turns green. Fine, they do that a lot in Fl, but there is no sign telling you this and it's the only intersection like that around here.

 

[aps45819]

The one that gets me is turning North on 235 from Shangri La. The traffic from S 235 does not stop when Shangri La's light turns green. Fine, they do that a lot in Fl, but there is no sign telling you this and it's the only intersection like that around here.

Same way turning north on 235 from FDR and again at IHOP/Lonestar.

 

[desertrat]

Same way turning north on 235 from FDR and again at IHOP/Lonestar.

It might be FDR I'm thinking about.

 

[awpitt]

You might want to consider these two for your paper...

Intersection of Chancellors Run Road and Buck Hewitt Rd/Norris Road. There’s an accident there at lease once a week.

Rt. 5 in Leonardtown starting at the BurchMart going all the way to Taco Bell. There are so many driveways and entrance/exits along the way. This stretch of Rt. 5 has no left turn lanes and no deceleration or acceleration lanes in either direction.

 

[desertrat]

IMost common error I see is people coming out of Town Creek in the left hand lane and shooting over three lanes to get to Sheets...PICK THE CORRECT LANE PEOPLE!! THERE ARE EVEN ARROWS TO FOLLOW!!


Hope this helps

When you come out of Town Creek there are two left turn lanes spilling onto four southbound lanes. If they need to get over it is not a driving error to change into the third lane (forth lane is only to go South on Chancellors). There should be no traffic coming South because the light would be red. The exit from WM is a yield so where is the problem?

 

[Realist]

When you come out of Town Creek there are two left turn lanes spilling onto four southbound lanes. If they need to get over it is not a driving error to change into the third lane (forth lane is only to go South on Chancellors). There should be no traffic coming South because the light would be red. The exit from WM is a yield so where is the problem?

It is an error if there is already someone in the lane that they are trying to get to. They just don't look and come over as if there are no lanes at all.

 

[ServiceGuy]

As for the 4 lanes on RT 235 someone PLEASE show them to me, there are 3 travel lanes and ONE right turn lane. When I took my driving test (a few years ago) it was Illegal to past a driveway (entrance) while in a turn only lane. Meaning if you are in a turn only lane you turn into the next driveway NOT one a mile down the road.

Now to topic at hand. I my opinion the state should not allow ANY entrances to privet business from a busy highway (like 235) ALL entrances should be off of a service road with an entrance and/or exit every few miles. Why should our tax dollars be use to put up a traffic light every 4 or 5 blocks so the WAWA’s and Wal Marts of the world can make millions and create traffic congestion for those of us just trying to drive though town or just go to work.

Or maybe if everyone just drove around town and leaned to share the road with others and not act like they are they only car on the road and the only person with someplace to be, then maybe we wouldn’t be having the topic in the first place.