Is American society increasingly intolerant of tots?

[Somdmommy]

leads me to believe that they don’t want kids, they want silent kids.”



Eateries from California to Massachusetts have posted signs on doors and menus saying “We love children, especially when they are tucked in chairs and well behaved” or “Kids must use indoor voices.” In North Carolina an online petition was started last year to establish child-free restaurants — the petition loosely compared dining with children to dining with cigarette smoke.

 

[mAlice]

No. American society is increasingly intolerant of parents who don't teach their children how to behave.

 

[Somdmommy]

No. American society is increasingly intolerant of parents who don't teach their children how to behave.

Nice Answer!

Thats what I got from reading the report, but it didnt say anything about parents.

 

[vraiblonde]

There was a time when parents took their children to public venues and the child was expected to sit and behave themselves. I know that when I was a kid, I wouldn't have dared to leave my seat and go wandering around a restaurant. If I acted up in the store, I was immediately frog-marched to the restroom to "have a talk".

Parents don't require their children to act nicely in public anymore. They let them run wild, screaming, yelling, bawling, throwing stuff. And, unfortunately, this is the norm, not the exception.

“I do think some people turn parenting into something it shouldn’t be," she says. "They want to take their children to fancy restaurants, art openings and R-rated movies instead of getting sitters.”

And there you go. We were at Miyako the other night (Japanese steak house where they cook the food in front of you) and some tard brought their toddler. When the cook flamed up the grill *whoosh* this kid started screaming in terror. So it's like, what kind of idiot would bring a young child to that type of restaurant, knowing that there would be some scary things going on?

Anyway, kid screamed and screamed and Mom didn't seem to have any inclination to take the child away to comfort it. So the grandfather finally took the kid outside, where he was still shrieking when we left.

And the people who do these stupid things are the first ones to ##### when businesses discourage children.

 

[BlackSheep]

Right on-

I don't blame the children, I blame the adults. Seems to me manners aren't taught anymore, self control is out and everything has to be PC.
Example: I gave up going to libraries some time ago-parents weren't controlling their kids and library employee's not controlling the adults. My last sanctuary of a quiet atmosphere (outside of my home)-gone.
You can forget churches too while you’re at it.
Gee-I'm starting to sound like my Dad!!!!!

 

[Somdmommy]

• How to intervene with unruly kids
Aug. 2: "Today" show host Matt Lauer talks to NYU Child Study Center's Dr. Harold Koplewicz about encouraging moms and dads to reprimand other people's children when necessary.

I didnt see that.....I dont think that would go over too well with the unruly kids parents. Funny how they dont care what their kids do untill someone else tells their kid its wrong.

“You can’t work on planes anymore because of kids running around,” says Charlton. She recalls a recent flight when parents allowed their toddler son to run up and down the aisle in first-class. “My friend said, ‘Hey, would you mind watching your child?’ You would’ve thought he wanted to nail the kid to a cross!”

 

[morganj614]

I would prefer to eat in an adult only restaurant I have no patience for ignorant parents and bratty children.

 

[Somdmommy]

I would prefer to eat in an adult only restaurant I have no patience for ignorant parents and bratty children.

My son is not a brat, but when he babbles really loud it makes me feel bad for the people around us. There is no way I could just ignore him if he was being a brat.

When we go to the store, He sits in the cart. Same thing at resturants, he sits in his seat and does not move. Some times he throws a toy, or some of his food on the floor, but hes 2....

 

[itsbob]

I would prefer to eat in an adult only restaurant I have no patience for ignorant parents and bratty children.

SO what are you saying??

Nicholas doesn't belong in the Southern MD bars??

 

[BadGirl]

I would prefer to eat in an adult only restaurant I have no patience for ignorant parents and bratty children.

I'm sorry that Bubba was whiney last night. I wanted to leave him in the truck while he was crying, but I figured that CPS would get on my case about it.

We take Bubba practically everywhere with us - to malls, to museums, to fast food joints, to moderately-priced restaurants, and we've also taken him to places like Asahi. It's our hope that we can expose him to all kinds of environments so that he can learn what is appropriate behavior for a particular situation. Naturally, as a seven month old, his crankiness is unpredictable, so when he is upset, we try to remove him from the establishment pronto.

I know how obnoxious some unruly children can be, and I definitely don't want Bubba to turn in to one of "those" kids.

 

[Somdmommy]

I'm sorry that Bubba was whiney last night. I wanted to leave him in the truck while he was crying, but I figured that CPS would get on my case about it.

We take Bubba practically everywhere with us - to malls, to museums, to fast food joints, to moderately-priced restaurants, and we've also taken him to places like Asahi. It's our hope that we can expose him to all kinds of environments so that he can learn what is appropriate behavior for a particular situation. Naturally, as a seven month old, his crankiness is unpredictable, so when he is upset, we try to remove him from the establishment pronto.

I know how obnoxious some unruly children can be, and I definitely don't want Bubba to turn in to one of "those" kids.

7 Months old. People know that babies have their moments.

See we have parents that will remove a "baby" from the resturant, then we have parents who could care less that their 3 year old is running around in circles under the table, knocking peoples drinks over.

Why is it like this. . .

I bet if you went to a resturant with your baby, and found some people with bad kids running around acting like they have lost their minds. Sat down near them and let your baby cry. I would put money on them freaking out about it. Getting Po'ed because your baby wont stop crying.

 

[itsbob]

And there you go. We were at Miyako the other night (Japanese steak house where they cook the food in front of you) and some tard brought their toddler. When the cook flamed up the grill *whoosh* this kid started screaming in terror. So it's like, what kind of idiot would bring a young child to that type of restaurant, knowing that there would be some scary things going on?

Anyway, kid screamed and screamed and Mom didn't seem to have any inclination to take the child away to comfort it. So the grandfather finally took the kid outside, where he was still shrieking when we left.

And the people who do these stupid things are the first ones to ##### when businesses discourage children.

We take Nicholas to Asahi ALMOST every time we go.. one reason, he plays so hard during the day at the sitters, we get him home and he goes straight to bed.. SO we get to see him about a 1/2 hour in the AM, and for the ride home at night.. Week-ends we tend to keep him with us as this is the only time we get to spend quality time with him. We take him to the Pub with us on Monday's, we take him to Asahi and sit at the grill.. etc, etc..

The only way to teach kids how to act in public, is to take them out in public.

 

[ohstate]

No. American society is increasingly intolerant of parents who don't teach their children how to behave.

Bingo! My parents would have never tolerated that behavior from any of us, and their parents didn't either.

 

[kom526]

The only way to teach kids how to act in public, is to take them out in public.

This post and elaine's post pretty much sums it all up.

 

[BlackSheep]

I'm sorry that Bubba was whiney last night. I wanted to leave him in the truck while he was crying, but I figured that CPS would get on my case about it.

We take Bubba practically everywhere with us - to malls, to museums, to fast food joints, to moderately-priced restaurants, and we've also taken him to places like Asahi. It's our hope that we can expose him to all kinds of environments so that he can learn what is appropriate behavior for a particular situation. Naturally, as a seven month old, his crankiness is unpredictable, so when he is upset, we try to remove him from the establishment pronto.

I know how obnoxious some unruly children can be, and I definitely don't want Bubba to turn in to one of "those" kids.

No harm intended BadGirl but how can a 7 mo. old "know" what is appropriate behavior for a particular situation?
I do applaud you for having the courtesy of removing your child when he gets cranky!

 

[Somdmommy]

Bingo! My parents would have never tolerated that behavior from any of us, and their parents didn't either.

My mother and grandmother would have beat my tail right in the middle of the store if I were doing some of the things kids today are doing. I will do the same, Someone in the store can call DSS on me for spanking my child I could care less. If people would spank their kids and send them to their rooms kids might learn how to act. Now we just have parents sending kids to room with TV's, video games, computers, phones, and cell phones.

 

[morganj614]

I'm sorry that Bubba was whiney last night. I wanted to leave him in the truck while he was crying, but I figured that CPS would get on my case about it.

We take Bubba practically everywhere with us - to malls, to museums, to fast food joints, to moderately-priced restaurants, and we've also taken him to places like Asahi. It's our hope that we can expose him to all kinds of environments so that he can learn what is appropriate behavior for a particular situation. Naturally, as a seven month old, his crankiness is unpredictable, so when he is upset, we try to remove him from the establishment pronto.

I know how obnoxious some unruly children can be, and I definitely don't want Bubba to turn in to one of "those" kids.

Nicholas is fine and a BABY. I have no problem walking up to parents of a wild child and saying what I need to..

 

[mAlice]

The only way to teach kids how to act in public, is to take them out in public.

This isn't directed at you, or parents like you. When your child is cranky, you remove him from the situation instead of letting him ruin everyone's evening that's around you.

This is directed at parents who allow their children to act like animals in public.

Even I took my child out to public events when she was a baby. The first outting was a movie. She was 10 days old, and I needed to get out. I fed her before we left, and she slept half way through the movie. I spent the other half of the movie in the bathroom with her because she had an upset tummy and was crying. A lot of parents today wouldn't show that courtesy.

 

[itsbob]

No harm intended BadGirl but how can a 7 mo. old "know" what is appropriate behavior for a particular situation?
I do applaud you for having the courtesy of removing your child when he gets cranky!

and you have to understand, this 7 month old has an incredible disposition. If he's cranky, it's very rare, and there is a reason. As soon as he started last night we knew why... he wanted his bed. He only cries when there is a reason to cry. Other then that, he's one happy smiley baby.. that is VERY inquisitive.

 

[kom526]

No harm intended BadGirl but how can a 7 mo. old "know" what is appropriate behavior for a particular situation?
I do applaud you for having the courtesy of removing your child when he gets cranky!

BG said "LEARN" not know about appropriate behavior. Besides, Bubba won't be 7 months old a month from now, he'll be 8 months old, and he'll still be learning.