Is Charles Co. Racist?

Pete

Repete
Shannie0308 said:
Alright I pulled out the text :lmao:

A search can be justified and therefore considered legal if any of the following conditions are met:

*A search warrant has been issued
*Consent is given
*An officer stops a suspicious person and believes the person may be armed, hence probable cause
*The search is incidental to a lawful arrest
*An emergency exists.

If any one of these preconditions exists a search will be considered reasonable and therefore legal.

I still hold that "suspicion" and "probably cause" are different. Hers is another citation from Terry v. Ohio that points that out.

The decision in Terry v. Ohio (1968) established that some brief seizures may be made without probable cause. If an officer has a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed or will soon be committed, that officer may briefly detain a suspect to frisk him for weapons and question him. This is known as a "Terry stop."
 

Shannie0308

New Member
Pete said:
I still hold that "suspicion" and "probably cause" are different. Hers is another citation from Terry v. Ohio that points that out.

The decision in Terry v. Ohio (1968) established that some brief seizures may be made without probable cause. If an officer has a reasonable suspicion that a crime has been committed or will soon be committed, that officer may briefly detain a suspect to frisk him for weapons and question him. This is known as a "Terry stop."

The only thing from my mouth is about getting out the book. Everything else is quoted straight from my Criminal Investigation book.
 

Pandora

New Member
Pete,

The way you came across in your post is

Yes they can walk up and pat you down if they feel the need to for officer safety.

The confusion comes into play with the meaning for “frisk” versus “searching.” Throughout this thread, we’ve heard “search” “search” “search” not “frisk."

I understand what you are saying after reading what you referenced. In that case, a detective had a reasonable suspicious to believe a robbery was about to be committed and frisked the guy finding a handgun in his overcoat.


Shannie,

You are confusing "search" with "frisk." Like I did.

If I frisk you, I am just going to just run my hands down you, fairly quickly, to feel for any obvious weapons.

If I start digging in your pockets and find your dope stash, it will most likely get tossed out in court unless I just saw you buy it. That would be a search.

BTW, Pete is right. The police can frisk you on the grounds that you are suspicious.
 

Citizen

New Member
Well.....finally. I can state a few more facts. Mr. Lyles had someone else's ID on him, and was giving a false name to the officers. The officers on the scene were not famaliar with Mr. Lyles and initally did not know who they were dealing with. So the theory of the officers picking on him because they knew his criminal past is gone. The theory of these deceitful Charles County law enforcement officers who carry extra guns around with them, so they can plant them, can now be thrown aside also. Mr. Lyles not only pulled the gun from his clothing, he then proceed to fire at the officers, however, he missed and struck himself in his own hand. The bullet exited his hand and traveled into the ground near the officers. Mr. Lyles was still holding the gun in his other hand when he was shot by the officers. And amazingly from what I've learned his fingerprints are on the gun, and traces of gunpowder were found on his shooting hand. This is caused by the dispersal of a bullet and casing from a firearm. Could only happen if he was holding the gun and fired it.

Mr. Lyles who was such an outstanding citizen and community participant, also had two outstanding warrants for him at the time of his death. Maybe this explains why he would try to fight to get away from the police who were arresting him. Mr. Lyles was already on probation, had a warrant for violating his probation, and knew he was going to serve a large amount of jailtime. And wouldn't you know it! Mr. Lyles knew he had marijuana, cocaine, liquid PCP, ecstasy, and scales for weighing his product, in his vehicle. Wait, there's more!! Also found was more ammunition and a loaded magazine, which belonged to the gun that he fired at the officers.

I hope some of these theories and rumors can be put to rest now. This is La Plata, Maryland and not Hollywood, California. Things are not always as portrayed on television. There aren't any conspiracies, the law enforcement officers who work in this area, aren't planting weapons, and purposely picking on someone who is of a different race then they are. Are law enforcement officers biased?? Yes! they are. Biased against crime and people who chose not to follow the law of society. Without laws are society would be total chaos. The law enforcement officers are protecting the law abiding citizens, and trying to improve on the quality of life for those willing to accept it.

The Pheonix Run community (not the MEADOWS) is an outstanding example of what can happen when law enforcement and citizens, who care about their community and the way they live, work together to make a change. This area was once the worst area in Southern Maryland. Due to the dedication and determination of law enforcement, civic groups, homeowner groups, businesses, and individual residents and citizens, this area has made a complete turnaround. Eventually everything will revert back to normalicy, the neigborhood is still being revitalized, and people will learn to accept that Mr. Lyles chose his fate.

The officers involved in this incident did what was expected of them. They protected and served society. They protected themselves from a menance to society. It has been mentioned that the officer who forced to take the life of Mr. Lyles will have to answer to a higher judge one day. This judge makes all the laws. This judge, as we all know, issued the laws that Mr. Lyles chose not to accept. I'm positive that this judge will tell the officer that he was a good and faithful servant.

Finally, I have to agree with one thing eclark mentioned. There are always eyes watching every action that one performs. There are eyes watching her, there are eyes watching those that support the actions of Mr. Lyles, there are eyes watching those that try to intimidate the law abiding citizens and law enforcement officers that live in that area. Ms. Clark, there are probably more eyes watching than you realize.
 

mainman

Set Trippin
Citizen said:
Mr. Lyles who was such an outstanding citizen and community participant, also had two outstanding warrants for him at the time of his death. Maybe this explains why he would try to fight to get away from the police who were arresting him. Mr. Lyles was already on probation, had a warrant for violating his probation, and knew he was going to serve a large amount of jailtime. And wouldn't you know it! Mr. Lyles knew he had marijuana, cocaine, liquid PCP, ecstasy, and scales for weighing his product, in his vehicle. Wait, there's more!! Also found was more ammunition and a loaded magazine, which belonged to the gun that he fired at the officers.
I thought this was worth repeating...
 

pixiegirl

Cleopatra Jones
Citizen said:
Finally, I have to agree with one thing eclark mentioned. There are always eyes watching every action that one performs. There are eyes watching her, there are eyes watching those that support the actions of Mr. Lyles, there are eyes watching those that try to intimidate the law abiding citizens and law enforcement officers that live in that area. Ms. Clark, there are probably more eyes watching than you realize.

I changed my mind about the secret crush... I have a crush on this guy. :whistle: :love:
 

RUTHERETOO

New Member
you are a nasty bastard!

aps45819 said:
Yes it does. Saying somebody else will do it if you don't doesen't make you less of a monster.

:lol: Johnny sure won't do it a second time, will he?

It's evidence in a crime
 

RUTHERETOO

New Member
Look bastard my name is not Ruth or Aunt Jemima... but anyway No, I'm not saying poor Johnny was right because if I was the officer I would have unloaded also, and probably pulled my partners gun to finish. Yes, it was stupid but at least show some respect for the dude that's reaching out. I take it that you lived the lily-white life. Wrong is wrong but we should try to respect others. I would hate to see the shoe on the other foot. I take it that this little country forum is where you hide to so your racist behind. You Ritz Cr**k**rs.
 

nomoney

....
RUTHERETOO said:
Look bastard my name is not Ruth or Aunt Jemima... but anyway No, I'm not saying poor Johnny was right because if I was the officer I would have unloaded also, and probably pulled my partners gun to finish. Yes, it was stupid but at least show some respect for the dude that's reaching out. I take it that you lived the lily-white life. Wrong is wrong but we should try to respect others. I would hate to see the shoe on the other foot. I take it that this little country forum is where you hide to so your racist behind. You Ritz Cr**k**rs.
I am half black and I find your ritz comment degrading and demoralizing. Please do not bring that prejudice near me.
 
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