Is this a good idea?

[ImnoMensa]

Uninsured Mass. residents face monthly fines starting in January - BostonHerald.com

Mandatory Insurance or fines.

It would seem that Mass. has added a third option to the two things that are certain in life. Death ---Taxes-in Mass. we can add Insurance.

Is this really a good idea.??

We all know that everyone should have health insurance,but is this the best plan?

Knowing how the IRS adds penalties and interest on our taxes , what happens when the fines for not havng insurance causes bankruptcies ,hardships, loss of homes, will people face jail when fines have reached amounts that cannot be paid?

Is it really within our Constitution to require a free American to buy insurance whether they want it or not?

What about illegal immigrants in Boston and other cities, are they responsible for these same fines or will liberal Mass. just weigh their fines.
Will they take the fines out of the food stamp monies of the poor?
Will those who are too poor to buy insurance,but not poor enough to qualify for assistance bear the brunt of this horrific crushing of the rights of Americans to decide for themselves?

Living without insurance is a bad decision IMO, but dont Americans have that right?

Will it come down to a decision for many, of food on the table and heat in the home or paying the fine for no Insurance.?

Perhaps the State could provide insurance for those who cannot afford a private companies policy, much like the assigned risk auto insurance, that could entail hiring a new bunch of bureaucrats .

Personally, this looks like a bad solution to me. Whats your opinion?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Ok, so if someone has no insurance and requires medical attention guess what? They don't get it. Too bad, so sad, they dead.

There needs to be a lil more thought put into this though. Like a college student fresh out of high school (not a 30 yr old) prolly has no job and cannot buy ins. Some exceptions need to be made.

 

[toppick08]

Once you strip away all the material aspects of life, in the end all you have is your health. If the greatest nation on earth can't provide medical care for it's citizens, then we are a failure...

Patchy....don't forget about Faith.....

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Once you strip away all the material aspects of life, in the end all you have is your health. If the greatest nation on earth can't provide medical care for it's citizens, then we are a failure...

This nation owes us NOTHING!!! Get off your ass and earn it.

Effing liberal.

 

[toppick08]

 

[cwo_ghwebb]

Uninsured Mass. residents face monthly fines starting in January - BostonHerald.com

Mandatory Insurance or fines.

It would seem that Mass. has added a third option to the two things that are certain in life. Death ---Taxes-in Mass. we can add Insurance.

Is this really a good idea.??

We all know that everyone should have health insurance,but is this the best plan?

Knowing how the IRS adds penalties and interest on our taxes , what happens when the fines for not havng insurance causes bankruptcies ,hardships, loss of homes, will people face jail when fines have reached amounts that cannot be paid?

Is it really within our Constitution to require a free American to buy insurance whether they want it or not?

What about illegal immigrants in Boston and other cities, are they responsible for these same fines or will liberal Mass. just weigh their fines.
Will they take the fines out of the food stamp monies of the poor?
Will those who are too poor to buy insurance,but not poor enough to qualify for assistance bear the brunt of this horrific crushing of the rights of Americans to decide for themselves?

Living without insurance is a bad decision IMO, but dont Americans have that right?

Will it come down to a decision for many, of food on the table and heat in the home or paying the fine for no Insurance.?

Perhaps the State could provide insurance for those who cannot afford a private companies policy, much like the assigned risk auto insurance, that could entail hiring a new bunch of bureaucrats .

Personally, this looks like a bad solution to me. Whats your opinion?

I agree with you. This is a very bad idea. As if taxes aren't bad enough, now Libs want to mandate just exactly what we have to buy. Just leave me alone! I think I'll make my own decisions and live with the consequences.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

But Mikey...

Unhealthy people don't earn much or work very well...

Same goes for education...

I would expect responses like this from someone who can't afford a house and wants uncle sam to pay for everything for him.

Get off your ass, get a job, pay your bills. I do it, you can too.

Why should I pay YOUR medical bills???

 

[Mikeinsmd]

I agree with you. This is a very bad idea. As if taxes aren't bad enough, now Libs want to mandate just exactly what we have to buy. Just leave me alone! I think I'll make my own decisions and live with the consequences.

That's fine and I'm ok with this as long as you don't expect that operation you need if you can't pay for it.

You have to look the Dr. square in the eye and accept his words when he says: "Sorry, you have no insurance and I don't work for free. I can't help you. Have a nice day sir.

Your decision not to buy insurance. Just like if your house burns down with all your worldly possesions. No ins., you're SOL. :shrug: Don't look to Mike to pay for it.

 

[godsbutterfly]

I understand the principal behind it and I agree everybody should have Health Care coverage but it is extremely expensive. One thing that I do find outrageous is that if you are on Medicare (elderly/Disableds) you don't get prescription coverage that is worth a darn (been there and done that when I was on temporary Disability - the Donut Hole thing really sucks) but if you are on SSI/Medicaid and/or Welfare your prescriptions are free.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Because I'm a military retiree?

ok Patchy, I have no problem with that either. You served 20 yrs. for lil pay, that was part of the deal. You're entitled!!

I haven't read all the intricacies of this law but I'm quite sure it applies to ppl. looking for a handout, not the military who earned it.

 

[onebdzee]

ok Patchy, I have no problem with that either. You served 20 yrs. for lil pay, that was part of the deal. You're entitled!!

I haven't read all the intricacies of this law but I'm quite sure it applies to ppl. looking for a handout, not the military who earned it.

It probably doesn't cover those people out there that are trying to make ends meet and can't afford coverage

Some make to much by the states standards to get medical from the state, but can't afford to either get individual coverage on their own or thru their employer(if the employer even offers it)

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Healthcare in America is broke for nearly everyone but the uber rich and high level politicians...

Military retiree's don't get great health care either. I wait months for specialized appointments that could determine crucial things such as if you have cancer...

We have to pay our sucky HMO Tricare quarterly payments. Oh, and if you forget about that payment because it only happens quarterly, they don't even remind you - they just boot you out of their prime coverage and put you in their standard plan. Guess what? Under that plan, you pay 20% of the bill. Wanna pay 20% of a heart attack bill Mikey?

My doctors have to ask sucky Tricare if they'll authorize such and such treatment before they can send me to get it...

I pay co-payments when I go off base...

Granted, I'm getting off cheaper than many Americans, but this country has serious health care issues...

What do you think I have 100% coverage? I pay too goob.

Since it's sooooooooo horrible here, I suggest those that don't like it load up the wagon and head north to Canada where everything is free. There ya go, I just solved all your wittle pwoblems.

 

[bcp]

The government has become too liberal, even the conservative politicians are so liberal today that you cant tell the difference.
so they force health insurance on us.
then they force mandatory check ups
then they take away your right to decide what should or should not be done with your health.
mandatory surgery if it doctors wish
mandatory drugs if the doctors wish.

total control of our every day functions, our money and our mind.

the way I see it and coming to conclusions based on events from history, I suggest that the more the government tries to implement laws of control, the more we need to fight for our right to maintain weapons to fight back when they go to far.

why do you think there is such a big push to disarm the American People?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Here's the offer Mikey...

If you'll get off your fat-ass and go personally get Bin Laden out of one of those caves in Afghanistan, and kill him, then I'll move to Canada...

Deal!! But you have to BUY the house in Canada, not rent it. When I witness your settlement, I'll go get Laden.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

The government has become too liberal, even the conservative politicians are so liberal today that you cant tell the difference.
so they force health insurance on us.
then they force mandatory check ups
then they take away your right to decide what should or should not be done with your health.
mandatory surgery if it doctors wish
mandatory drugs if the doctors wish.

total control of our every day functions, our money and our mind.

the way I see it and coming to conclusions based on events from history, I suggest that the more the government tries to implement laws of control, the more we need to fight for our right to maintain weapons to fight back when they go to far.

why do you think there is such a big push to disarm the American People?

Ok, I'll clarify my position a lil better. I certainly don't want the goobermint totally controlling us.

They shouldn't require mandatory health insurance BUT as I said earlier, no ticky, no laundry!! No insurance, no treatment. Fair enough??

 

[onebdzee]

Ok, I'll clarify my position a lil better. I certainly don't want the goobermint totally controlling us.

They shouldn't require mandatory health insurance BUT as I said earlier, no ticky, no laundry!! No insurance, no treatment. Fair enough??

So what about those people that are working their asses off and their employer doesn't offer it and they can't afford it?....if they get, lets say, a broken arm because they slipped on a patch of ice one day....they are just SOL, right?

 

[Christy]

Ok, so if someone has no insurance and requires medical attention guess what? They don't get it. Too bad, so sad, they dead.

What about people who opt for no health insurance but are able to pay for their medical care from their own pocket? Gov't mandated health insurance is absurd.

The whole health care industry as a whole is so screwed up. Pretty much all health insurance policies have caps to what they will pay, so if anyone has a catastrophic illness they're screwed. If I had a choice in matters of my healthcare policy, I'd be glad to pay out of pocket for routine care and opt for them covering the unexpected, high dollar stuff. Isn't that what "insurance" is supposed to be for?

 

[Mikeinsmd]

So what about those people that are working their asses off and their employer doesn't offer it and they can't afford it?....if they get, lets say, a broken arm because they slipped on a patch of ice one day....they are just SOL, right?

Right. If you know you have a bill (insurance) then you need to save $$ to pay that bill. If you "opt out" then you better be setting aside $$ to cover that broken arm huh? If that means you have less kids, then you have less kids, if it means you buy a used car vs. a new car, then you buy a used car, if it means you can't afford that boat, bike or jetski, then you don't buy it. Simple. :shrug:

What about people who opt for no health insurance but are able to pay for their medical care from their own pocket? Gov't mandated health insurance is absurd.

Then there's no problem here. I agree with the opt out policy. As long as you know you will be refused treatment if you can't pay.

 

[godsbutterfly]

In cases of medical emergency you cannot be denied medical treatment by hospitals even if you have no health insurance - or at least that's still what they have posted. I'm thinking that means if the ambulance brings you in half dead and unconcious. Health Insurance is so expensive now. Prescriptions are outrageous as well. It's not always just a matter of choosing to give up luxuries in order to have the insurance and the meds. Healthcare for a family can run over $1,000 a month. I have insurance and my share of my prescriptions for this year - meds I have to take because they are necessary - has been $2,400 so far. More and more employers are bowing out of paying for insurance plans. If someone is making just over minimum wage they are not going to be able to support themselves and still afford Health Care. Not everyone has the training and education for a high dollar job.

 

[Sonsie]

I'd like to know how many people who "can't" afford insurance are spending $15 a day on smokes and booze. Or for that matter on a starbucks habit? When I retired I cut back on a lot of things I enjoy. I was amazed at how much money I had been casually throwing away on convience items and services. Now I know a lot of folks simply cannot afford any insurance much less nice extras, but I'd really like to know how many could if they just knocked off/cut back starbucks, eating out, dry cleaning, lottery tickets, and clubs. Many people these days don't seem to realize sometimes you need to sacrafice pleasure and be responsible.