Is Trump the worst President in history? The Three Pillars

easyliving45

Active Member
In recent days a debate has raged as to whether Trump is and will go down in history as the worst President of all time.

A few quick lowlights

Trumps average approval rating was merely 41 % percent for the duration of his presidency and cratered at the end of his presidency. Leaving office with the lowest approval rating of 36%

Trump oversaw one of the largest deficit growths in history and one of the largest jumps in unemployment.

Beyond that he lost The House, Presidency and Senate for his party and was twice impeached. The first president in history to be impeached twice.

"Trump, too, put his political prospects ahead of any sense of duty. As a candidate, Trump openly appealed to Russia to steal his opponent’s emails. Then, as Russia dumped hacked emails from her campaign chair, he seized on the pilfered materials to suggest wrongdoing and amplified Russian disinformation efforts. Extensive investigations during his administration by then–Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee didn’t produce any evidence suggesting that he directly abetted Russian hacking, but those investigations were impeded by a pattern of obstructive conduct that Mueller carefully outlined in his report.


The second pillar is Trump’s dereliction of duty during the COVID-19 pandemic, which will have killed at least 400,000 Americans by the time he leaves office. In his inaugural address, Trump vowed an end to “American carnage,” but in office, he presided over needless death and suffering. Trump’s failure to anticipate and then respond to the pandemic has no equivalent in Nixon’s tenure; when Nixon wasn’t plotting political subversion and revenge against his perceived enemies, he could be a good administrator.

The third pillar of the case against Trump is his role as the chief instigator of the attempted insurrection of January 6. Although racism and violent nativism preceded Trump, the seeds of what happened on January 6 were planted by his use of the presidential bully pulpit. No president since Andrew Johnson had so publicly sympathized with the sense of victimhood among racists. In important ways, Nixon prefigured Trump by conspiring with his top lieutenants to use race, covertly, to bring about a realignment in U.S. politics. Nixon’s goal was to lure racists away from the Democratic Party and so transform the Republican Party into a governing majority. Trump has gone much further. From his remarks after the neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, to his effort to set the U.S. military against the Black Lives Matter movement, Trump has openly used race in an effort to transform the Republican Party into an agitated, cult-like, white-supremacist minority movement that could win elections only through fear, disenfranchisement, and disinformation."



 

TheRadargod

Active Member
I think the the three things we should consider when branding President Trump as the worst ever are:

1) Freeing America to grow the greatest economy of my lifetime. Everyone benefited.

2) Bringing our boys and girls home from wars in s-hole countries. My brothers and sisters in arms deserve the break.

3) Making America the #1 independent producer of energy, freeing us from the Middle East cartel and employing countless Americans in the energy sector.

4) Tax reform, prison reform, trade reform, border security, middle east peace.... oops that's more than 3 reasons, jobs jobs jobs....

Go study Carter, Obama, Wilson, Johnson & Johnson, Tyler, Buchanon, let go of your hatred...
 

Kinnakeet

Well-Known Member
In recent days a debate has raged as to whether Trump is and will go down in history as the worst President of all time.

A few quick lowlights

Trumps average approval rating was merely 41 % percent for the duration of his presidency and cratered at the end of his presidency. Leaving office with the lowest approval rating of 36%

Trump oversaw one of the largest deficit growths in history and one of the largest jumps in unemployment.

Beyond that he lost The House, Presidency and Senate for his party and was twice impeached. The first president in history to be impeached twice.

"Trump, too, put his political prospects ahead of any sense of duty. As a candidate, Trump openly appealed to Russia to steal his opponent’s emails. Then, as Russia dumped hacked emails from her campaign chair, he seized on the pilfered materials to suggest wrongdoing and amplified Russian disinformation efforts. Extensive investigations during his administration by then–Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee didn’t produce any evidence suggesting that he directly abetted Russian hacking, but those investigations were impeded by a pattern of obstructive conduct that Mueller carefully outlined in his report.


The second pillar is Trump’s dereliction of duty during the COVID-19 pandemic, which will have killed at least 400,000 Americans by the time he leaves office. In his inaugural address, Trump vowed an end to “American carnage,” but in office, he presided over needless death and suffering. Trump’s failure to anticipate and then respond to the pandemic has no equivalent in Nixon’s tenure; when Nixon wasn’t plotting political subversion and revenge against his perceived enemies, he could be a good administrator.

The third pillar of the case against Trump is his role as the chief instigator of the attempted insurrection of January 6. Although racism and violent nativism preceded Trump, the seeds of what happened on January 6 were planted by his use of the presidential bully pulpit. No president since Andrew Johnson had so publicly sympathized with the sense of victimhood among racists. In important ways, Nixon prefigured Trump by conspiring with his top lieutenants to use race, covertly, to bring about a realignment in U.S. politics. Nixon’s goal was to lure racists away from the Democratic Party and so transform the Republican Party into a governing majority. Trump has gone much further. From his remarks after the neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, to his effort to set the U.S. military against the Black Lives Matter movement, Trump has openly used race in an effort to transform the Republican Party into an agitated, cult-like, white-supremacist minority movement that could win elections only through fear, disenfranchisement, and disinformation."



You hate trump so much you posted nothing but BS can you imagine if you had an ounce of sense
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
I think the the three things we should consider when branding President Trump as the worst ever are:

1) Freeing America to grow the greatest economy of my lifetime. Everyone benefited.

2) Bringing our boys and girls home from wars in s-hole countries. My brothers and sisters in arms deserve the break.

3) Making America the #1 independent producer of energy, freeing us from the Middle East cartel and employing countless Americans in the energy sector.

4) Tax reform, prison reform, trade reform, border security, middle east peace.... oops that's more than 3 reasons, jobs jobs jobs....

5) Helped in brokering normalization treaties between Israel and at least 4 Muslim nations

Go study Carter, Obama, Wilson, Johnson & Johnson, Tyler, Buchanon, let go of your hatred...

Added one for you.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
In recent days a debate has raged as to whether Trump is and will go down in history as the worst President of all time.

A few quick lowlights

Trumps average approval rating was merely 41 % percent for the duration of his presidency and cratered at the end of his presidency. Leaving office with the lowest approval rating of 36%
Trump was the victim of one of the largest smear campaigns ever produced. Starting with the Russia collusion campaign and continuing to the sedition charge. It’s no wonder his ratings were so low, every D was pre convinced that he was evil and it only took a low amount of independents to drive the numbers so far down.
Trump oversaw one of the largest deficit growths in history and one of the largest jumps in unemployment.
You neglect to mention a few facts here, first that he also oversaw one of the largest employment gains ever and second, that the deficit growth was due to the massive COVID 19 spending which would have happened with a president from either party. As proof of that you’ll see Biden oversee an even greater deficit growth in the next several weeks.

Beyond that he lost The House, Presidency and Senate for his party and was twice impeached. The first president in history to be impeached twice.
You may have noticed the surprising number of House seats that the R’s picked up in this last election. As for the impeachment’s, the D’s have made a mockery of the process and I wouldn’t be surprised to see it come back and bite them in the ass.

"Trump, too, put his political prospects ahead of any sense of duty. As a candidate, Trump openly appealed to Russia to steal his opponent’s emails. Then, as Russia dumped hacked emails from her campaign chair, he seized on the pilfered materials to suggest wrongdoing and amplified Russian disinformation efforts. Extensive investigations during his administration by then–Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee didn’t produce any evidence suggesting that he directly abetted Russian hacking, but those investigations were impeded by a pattern of obstructive conduct that Mueller carefully outlined in his report.
This would be more convincing if so many of us hadn’t seen the speech that it came from. His “request” was a poke at Hillary and her “misplacing” of 30,000 emails.

The second pillar is Trump’s dereliction of duty during the COVID-19 pandemic, which will have killed at least 400,000 Americans by the time he leaves office. In his inaugural address, Trump vowed an end to “American carnage,” but in office, he presided over needless death and suffering. Trump’s failure to anticipate and then respond to the pandemic has no equivalent in Nixon’s tenure; when Nixon wasn’t plotting political subversion and revenge against his perceived enemies, he could be a good administrator.
What would have been the proper response? It’s easy to be a back seat driver, but having to come up with the plans is a little more difficult. Calling it a dereliction of duty is more than a little over the top.

The third pillar of the case against Trump is his role as the chief instigator of the attempted insurrection of January 6. Although racism and violent nativism preceded Trump, the seeds of what happened on January 6 were planted by his use of the presidential bully pulpit. No president since Andrew Johnson had so publicly sympathized with the sense of victimhood among racists. In important ways, Nixon prefigured Trump by conspiring with his top lieutenants to use race, covertly, to bring about a realignment in U.S. politics. Nixon’s goal was to lure racists away from the Democratic Party and so transform the Republican Party into a governing majority. Trump has gone much further. From his remarks after the neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, to his effort to set the U.S. military against the Black Lives Matter movement, Trump has openly used race in an effort to transform the Republican Party into an agitated, cult-like, white-supremacist minority movement that could win elections only through fear, disenfranchisement, and disinformation."
This one is a total fabrication, easily proven by the fact that the protest and break in at the capital were underway before he made the speech.


All the responses are in red above.
 

easyliving45

Active Member
All the responses are in red above.


1. Did you read the Mueller report? What parts of it did you take issue with?

2. The employment gain was not as large as Obama's and was merely a continuation of Obama's.

The deficit growth was prior to Covid and was due to Trump tax cuts for the wealthy.

3. You argument makes no sense. He lost majorities in the house senate and presidency so you claim that he made historic gains is obviously false.


4. Sounds like you are a Trump apologist and no amount of proof, facts or information will convince you otherwise.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Trump is the least likeable President in my lifetime, however that has nothing to do with how good/bad a president was.

I can't stand Tom Brady, like a lot of people, but he is the greatest QB to have ever played the game.

Did you know that Stephen Hawking made more enemies than friends within the scientific community?

Liberals act with pure emotion rather than logic and intelligence. I could announce that I have found the cure for cancer and word it in a way that would offend liberals, and they would reject my cure.

George Washington led the Continental Army to victory thus paving the way for this country to be established and the liberties. He fought bravely on the front lines. All liberals see him as is a slave owner.

Worse yet... Liberals are telling the people of this country that if you have white skin you are to be regarded as an innately evil racist. Not the content of our character, but the color of our skin. Damn you liberals (not you PE, I'm just posting a reply to your point) have really bad memories; all because your emotions get in the way of logic.
 

WingsOfGold

Well-Known Member
1. Did you read the Mueller report? What parts of it did you take issue with?

2. The employment gain was not as large as Obama's and was merely a continuation of Obama's.

The deficit growth was prior to Covid and was due to Trump tax cuts for the wealthy.

3. You argument makes no sense. He lost majorities in the house senate and presidency so you claim that he made historic gains is obviously false.


4. Sounds like you are a Trump apologist and no amount of proof, facts or information will convince you otherwise.
The inept POS obama laughs at his tribe of idiots all the way from all white Kennedy Isle.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
1. Did you read the Mueller report? What parts of it did you take issue with?

2. The employment gain was not as large as Obama's and was merely a continuation of Obama's.

The deficit growth was prior to Covid and was due to Trump tax cuts for the wealthy.

3. You argument makes no sense. He lost majorities in the house senate and presidency so you claim that he made historic gains is obviously false.


4. Sounds like you are a Trump apologist and no amount of proof, facts or information will convince you otherwise.

Mueller didn't find Trump guilty of anything so if you want to use it as a point, you'll have to point to the specific finding.

The employment gain was not a continuation of Obama's, it went beyond what Obama swore was possible.

Deficit growth is measured at the end of the term, not at some arbitrary point in the middle.

He lost seats in the house in the midterms and then gained in the last election. Now on to the obviously false statement, I didn't make it you did.

I'm an unlikely Trump apologist seeing as I can't stand the guy on a personal level, but I can see what he's accomplished and against what obstacles.
 
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Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
1. Did you read the Mueller report? What parts of it did you take issue with?
Yep, a few times. What I took issue with were the unproven allegations contained in the document to vilify the President. It reeked of Andy Weissman and his smear tactics.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
If I may ...

In recent days a debate has raged as to whether Trump is and will go down in history as the worst President of all time.

A few quick lowlights

Trumps average approval rating was merely 41 % percent for the duration of his presidency and cratered at the end of his presidency. Leaving office with the lowest approval rating of 36%

Trump oversaw one of the largest deficit growths in history and one of the largest jumps in unemployment.

Beyond that he lost The House, Presidency and Senate for his party and was twice impeached. The first president in history to be impeached twice.

"Trump, too, put his political prospects ahead of any sense of duty. As a candidate, Trump openly appealed to Russia to steal his opponent’s emails. Then, as Russia dumped hacked emails from her campaign chair, he seized on the pilfered materials to suggest wrongdoing and amplified Russian disinformation efforts. Extensive investigations during his administration by then–Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee didn’t produce any evidence suggesting that he directly abetted Russian hacking, but those investigations were impeded by a pattern of obstructive conduct that Mueller carefully outlined in his report.


The second pillar is Trump’s dereliction of duty during the COVID-19 pandemic, which will have killed at least 400,000 Americans by the time he leaves office. In his inaugural address, Trump vowed an end to “American carnage,” but in office, he presided over needless death and suffering. Trump’s failure to anticipate and then respond to the pandemic has no equivalent in Nixon’s tenure; when Nixon wasn’t plotting political subversion and revenge against his perceived enemies, he could be a good administrator.

The third pillar of the case against Trump is his role as the chief instigator of the attempted insurrection of January 6. Although racism and violent nativism preceded Trump, the seeds of what happened on January 6 were planted by his use of the presidential bully pulpit. No president since Andrew Johnson had so publicly sympathized with the sense of victimhood among racists. In important ways, Nixon prefigured Trump by conspiring with his top lieutenants to use race, covertly, to bring about a realignment in U.S. politics. Nixon’s goal was to lure racists away from the Democratic Party and so transform the Republican Party into a governing majority. Trump has gone much further. From his remarks after the neo-Nazi rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, to his effort to set the U.S. military against the Black Lives Matter movement, Trump has openly used race in an effort to transform the Republican Party into an agitated, cult-like, white-supremacist minority movement that could win elections only through fear, disenfranchisement, and disinformation."



It is so fun to see that, even after January 20th, Trump is still firmly occupying, camped out in, your mind to the degree that he is. Only the best President ev'a could accomplish that feat!
 
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