Islamic Film Refutes Divinity of Christ

[Starman3000m]

“The film, Jesus, the Spirit of God, is being touted as the first film giving the Islamic view of Jesus Christ. Film director Nader Talebzadeh says the film portrays Jesus as merely a prophet, but not the son of God.”

Islamic film produced in Iran refutes divinity of Jesus Christ (OneNewsNow.com)


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[This_person]

“The film, Jesus, the Spirit of God, is being touted as the first film giving the Islamic view of Jesus Christ. Film director Nader Talebzadeh says the film portrays Jesus as merely a prophet, but not the son of God.”

Islamic film produced in Iran refutes divinity of Jesus Christ (OneNewsNow.com)


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Not to start a fight or anything, but isn't that kind of the whole point of the people who aren't Christians? That they don't agree that Jesus was the Christ?

 

[aps45819]

“The film, Jesus, the Spirit of God, is being touted as the first film giving the Islamic view of Jesus Christ. Film director Nader Talebzadeh says the film portrays Jesus as merely a prophet, but not the son of God.”

... and nobody has declared a holy war against the director?

 

[Starman3000m]

Not to start a fight or anything, but isn't that kind of the whole point of the people who aren't Christians? That they don't agree that Jesus was the Christ?

And also some people who aren't Christians don't believe in God at all!

However, in this case Muslims have attempted to pursuade Christians that Islam worships the same God and "honors" Jesus in their teachings. The Iranian film now openly proves that "Al'lah" of the Qur'an is not the same God that Christians believe in. As taught in Islamic theology, "Al'lah had no son."

Many non-Christians have fallen for the Islamic cliché, that Muslims worship the same God as Christians when the two deities are not alike at all. Here is the difference:

Yahweh NEVER commanded His angels to bow down prostrate to Adam.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (002.034) (007.011)

Yahweh NEVER authorized mankind to honor and kiss a stone. (Ka'ba)
Muhammad Did and Muslims still do to this day.

Yahweh NEVER authorized men to beat their wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (004.032)

Yahweh NEVER authorized His prophets to have multiple wives- as many as the prophet desired, nor did Yahweh authorize men to have up to four wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (033.050) (004.003)

Yahweh NEVER promised a “paradise” filled with dark-eyed voluptuous women (virgins) as a “reward” to the “righteous.”
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (037.040-.049) (056.035-.036) (078.031-.033)

Yahweh NEVER said the women were second-class citizens and comprised the greatest amount of residents in hell.
Muhammad Did: (Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 7, Book 62, No. 126)

 

[This_person]

And also some people who aren't Christians don't believe in God at all!

However, in this case Muslims have attempted to pursuade Christians that Islam worships the same God and "honors" Jesus in their teachings. The Iranian film now openly proves that "Al'lah" of the Qur'an is not the same God that Christians believe in. As taught in Islamic theology, "Al'lah had no son."

Many non-Christians have fallen for the Islamic cliché, that Muslims worship the same God as Christians when the two deities are not alike at all. Here is the difference:

Yahweh NEVER commanded His angels to bow down prostrate to Adam.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (002.034) (007.011)

Yahweh NEVER authorized mankind to honor and kiss a stone. (Ka'ba)
Muhammad Did and Muslims still do to this day.

Yahweh NEVER authorized men to beat their wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (004.032)

Yahweh NEVER authorized His prophets to have multiple wives- as many as the prophet desired, nor did Yahweh authorize men to have up to four wives.
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (033.050) (004.003)

Yahweh NEVER promised a “paradise” filled with dark-eyed voluptuous women (virgins) as a “reward” to the “righteous.”
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (037.040-.049) (056.035-.036) (078.031-.033)

Yahweh NEVER said the women were second-class citizens and comprised the greatest amount of residents in hell.
Muhammad Did: (Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 7, Book 62, No. 126)

No offense, but all this proves is that they're a different religion. In a big picture world, they may think they pray to the same God; but they interpret Him differently. Like a Protestant and a Catholic have vastly differing views on many aspects of the religion. Or, the Protestant and the Jew - we believe we're each praying to the same God, as well. But, we have some vastly different views than Jewish people on many aspects (Jesus's status as Christ being just one).

This is just a movie, about one religion bashing another. They certainly have a right to their opinion and belief, just as we do. I don't understand what is to get so up in arms about a different religion saying they believe differently than us.

 

[This_person]

... and nobody has declared a holy war against the director?

Why, you'd almost think tolerance has broken out!

 

[JPC sr]

The big pic.

No offense, but all this proves is that they're a different religion. In a big picture world, they may think they pray to the same God; but they interpret Him differently. Like a Protestant and a Catholic have vastly differing views on many aspects of the religion. Or, the Protestant and the Jew - we believe we're each praying to the same God, as well. But, we have some vastly different views than Jewish people on many aspects (Jesus's status as Christ being just one).

This is just a movie, about one religion bashing another. They certainly have a right to their opinion and belief, just as we do. I don't understand what is to get so up in arms about a different religion saying they believe differently than us.

This is well said T_p.

I cut you down a lot, but here you said it better then I would have done.

 

[toppick08]

“The film, Jesus, the Spirit of God, is being touted as the first film giving the Islamic view of Jesus Christ. Film director Nader Talebzadeh says the film portrays Jesus as merely a prophet, but not the son of God.”

Islamic film produced in Iran refutes divinity of Jesus Christ (OneNewsNow.com)


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........Hell is filled with folks with good intentions............

 

[This_person]

This is well said T_p.

I cut you down a lot, but here you said it better then I would have done.

By agreeing with me, you're making me rethink my position.......

 

[wpage]

Tolerance for unfaithful...What separates true from false religions!
"I can do all things thru Christ who strengthens me"

 

[Starman3000m]

No offense, but all this proves is that they're a different religion. In a big picture world, they may think they pray to the same God; but they interpret Him differently. Like a Protestant and a Catholic have vastly differing views on many aspects of the religion. Or, the Protestant and the Jew - we believe we're each praying to the same God, as well. But, we have some vastly different views than Jewish people on many aspects (Jesus's status as Christ being just one).

This is just a movie, about one religion bashing another. They certainly have a right to their opinion and belief, just as we do. I don't understand what is to get so up in arms about a different religion saying they believe differently than us.

Herein lies the central and theological comparison between the Qur'an of Islam denying that Jesus is The Son of God and the faith that Christians have in the New Testament account of Jesus:

If Yeshua (New Testament Jesus) is Not the Divine Son of God, and Saviour of mankind who shed His Blood as an atonement for your sins and mine, then all people must meet the perfected standards of God in order to be "righteous enough" and qualify for Salvation.

Do you honestly feel that you can qualify, given your own knowledge of whether you have or have not abided by the Ten Commandments and lived a perfect sinless life? I sure could not qualify. Jesus was not only the Divine Son of God but was also the Righteous and sinless Lamb of God whose shed Blood was the acceptable Atonement unto God and through which we have remission of our sins.

In the Islamic theology, mankind works his/her own salvation through obeying Muhammad's rules and regulations as set forth in the Qur'an and Ahadith (sayings of Muhammad). Problem is, Islam also teaches the theology of predestined salvation whereby Al'lah has already determined who is going to be a resident of the Islamic paradise and who will be sent to the "hell-fire".
There is no free-will to choose in Islam.

Additionally, the only guarantee for Islamic salvation by Al'lah, according to Muhammad, is to be killed as a martyr for the Islamic cause. That is why the suicide bombers sincerely believe they are doing "God's Will" by killing "Infidels" and "unbelievers" through suicide bombings.

Excerpt:

The Islamic Martyr Mentality

“The martyr mentality is so extremely embedded in the mindset of Islamic fundamentalists that his/her main goal in life is to do what the Qur'an commands without question. Better explained, it is what the Islamic clerics command and preach through intense indoctrination. Muslim youngsters are now being commanded to participate in jihad against non-Muslims in one form or another with the greater honor being that of becoming a martyr. How ironic that such religious leaders are not willing to lead by example.”
“Questionable Teachings of Islam” (Chapter Topic: Paradise through Martyrdom) Learn why Islamic fundamentalists sincerely believe they are doing “God’s Will” and are ever intent on waging "Jihad" against non-Muslims until the end of the world – even through homicide bombings.

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[Sonsie]

And also some people who aren't Christians don't believe in God at all!


Yahweh NEVER promised a “paradise” filled with dark-eyed voluptuous women (virgins) as a “reward” to the “righteous.”
Al’lah Did: Qur’an: (037.040-.049) (056.035-.036) (078.031-.033)

Yahweh NEVER said the women were second-class citizens and comprised the greatest amount of residents in hell.
Muhammad Did: (Sahih Bukhari: Vol. 7, Book 62, No. 126)

They're not getting virgins, they are getting raisins.

This work, based on the earliest copies of the Koran, maintains that parts of Islam's holy book are derived from pre-existing Christian Aramaic texts that were misinterpreted by later Islamic scholars who prepared the editions of the Koran commonly read today.

So, for example, the virgins who are supposedly awaiting good Islamic martyrs as their reward in paradise are in reality ''white raisins'' of crystal clarity rather than fair maidens.​

 

[2ndAmendment]

No offense, but all this proves is that they're a different religion. In a big picture world, they may think they pray to the same God; but they interpret Him differently. Like a Protestant and a Catholic have vastly differing views on many aspects of the religion. Or, the Protestant and the Jew - we believe we're each praying to the same God, as well. But, we have some vastly different views than Jewish people on many aspects (Jesus's status as Christ being just one).

This is just a movie, about one religion bashing another. They certainly have a right to their opinion and belief, just as we do. I don't understand what is to get so up in arms about a different religion saying they believe differently than us.

There is no doubt that the God of Christians is the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob; the God of the Jews, YHWH. Catholics and Protestants and Pentecostals all being Christians worship the same God. The difference between Jews and Christians is most Jews do not believe the Messiah has come yet. Christians know that Jesus is the Messiah.

I am on the fence about whether Allah is the same God, YHWH. The Arab people come from the illegitimate son, Ishmael, of Abram through Hagar the Egyptian, Sarai's maid. Abram and Sarai were the names of Abraham and Sarah before God changed their names. At one point Hagar took Ishmael and was running from Sarai and Abram. An angel of the Lord spoke to her.

Genesis 16
Sarai and Hagar
1Now Sarai, Abram's wife had borne him no children, and she had an Egyptian maid whose name was Hagar.

2So Sarai said to Abram, "Now behold, the LORD has prevented me from bearing children. Please go in to my maid; perhaps I will obtain children through her." And Abram listened to the voice of Sarai.

3After Abram had lived ten years in the land of Canaan, Abram's wife Sarai took Hagar the Egyptian, her maid, and gave her to her husband Abram as his wife.

4He went in to Hagar, and she conceived; and when she saw that she had conceived, her mistress was despised in her sight.

5And Sarai said to Abram, "May the wrong done me be upon you I gave my maid into your arms, but when she saw that she had conceived, I was despised in her sight May the LORD judge between you and me."

6But Abram said to Sarai, "Behold, your maid is in your power; do to her what is good in your sight." So Sarai treated her harshly, and she fled from her presence.

7Now the angel of the LORD found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur.

8He said, "Hagar, Sarai's maid, where have you come from and where are you going?" And she said, "I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai."

9Then the angel of the LORD said to her, "Return to your mistress, and submit yourself to her authority."

10Moreover, the angel of the LORD said to her, "I will greatly multiply your descendants so that they will be too many to count."

11The angel of the LORD said to her further,
"Behold, you are with child,
And you will bear a son;
And you shall call his name Ishmael,
Because the LORD has given heed to your affliction.
12"He will be a wild donkey of a man,
His hand will be against everyone,
And everyone's hand will be against him;
And he will live to the east of all his brothers."

13Then she called the name of the LORD who spoke to her, "You are a God who sees"; for she said, "Have I even remained alive here after seeing Him?"

14Therefore the well was called Beer-lahai-roi; behold, it is between Kadesh and Bered.

15So Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bore, Ishmael.

16Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ishmael to him.

I think Allah may be YHWH, but I think Mohammad got it wrong just like David Koresh, Jim Jones, and lots of others got deluded by focusing on themselves and not on God.

Notice Genesis 16:12. Seems that has pretty much come true.

 

[This_person]

I think Allah may be YHWH, but I think Mohammad got it wrong just like David Koresh, Jim Jones, and lots of others got deluded by focusing on themselves and not on God.

This is the gist of what I'm saying. They're a different religion, that has a different interpretation. Maybe we have it wrong and they have it right (I obviously don't think so, or I'd change religions). But, I don't see the problem with other people having their own religion. The only problem I have is when they say things like "convert or die". THEN, it's a problem.

 

[Lugnut]

B The only problem I have is when they say things like "convert or die". THEN, it's a problem.

"convert to my religion or die"

"Convert to my religion or go to hell for eternity"

They are both offensive.

 

[Starman3000m]

This is the gist of what I'm saying. They're a different religion, that has a different interpretation. Maybe we have it wrong and they have it right (I obviously don't think so, or I'd change religions). But, I don't see the problem with other people having their own religion. The only problem I have is when they say things like "convert or die". THEN, it's a problem.

There Is Only One Truth.

Al'lah is Arabic for "The God" but it doesn't mean that Al'lah is Yahweh - just a deity worshipped by Muslims.

Muhammad's interpretations of Al'lah were revealed to him by a spirit-being that he encountered while meditating in a darkened cave. The spirit-being, later described by Muhammad as being the biblical archangel, Gabriel, is said to have revealed teachings to Muhammad over a period of 23 years through which the Qur'an and Ahadith were written.

If Islam is a true religion and if Al'lah is Yahweh, then anyone who believes in God would have to accept the Islamic teaching that Muhammad is indeed the last and final prophet of God and whose authority supersedes that of Yeshua.
The only other alternative is to classify Muhammad as a false prophet like many others who have claimed to be led by God but whose teachings have been spiritually deceived as the Holy Bible describes.

For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
(2 Corinthians 11:13-15)

and;

I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. (Galatians 1:6-10)

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[This_person]

"convert to my religion or die"

"Convert to my religion or go to hell for eternity"

They are both offensive.

Maybe, but most Christians won't physically attempt to kill you for not believing as they do, or practicing a religion the way they think you should. Most Muslims won't either (or any other religion for that matter), but my point was that I don't see a movie as a problem, I see a plane flown into a building, a boat full of explosives driven into a ship, an embassy bombed, a head separated from it's body, etc., etc., as a problematic situation from another religion. Saying you don't agree with me, that's fine. Actually following through with trying to kill me for thinking you're wrong, that's a problem.

As far as "convert or go to hell"... how is that any different from "you're wrong and there is no heaven, you're just going to be dirt"? I wouldn't wish Hell on anyone, and I'm not the judge nor decider of fate, so I can only say what I believe. That's not a condemnation to Hell in any way shape or form (and, for the record, I've never said that to anyone). I think it's idiotic to be disrespectful towards someone else's belief system, including belief that science alone can and will answer all questions. If that's what you believe, good for you. I think you're wrong, you think I'm wrong, and I promise not to try and kill you for it, and expect that in return.

 

[This_person]

There Is Only One Truth.

For you. For them, there is a different truth. :shrug:

You can believe you're right like they believe they're right. There is a lot of propaganda as to who is right and who is wrong on everybody's side. Let them believe as they will, you believe as you will, etc. Until someone tries to tell you how to act by force, or in some other way directly effects others for their beliefs, it doesn't really matter.

 

[Starman3000m]

For you. For them, there is a different truth. :shrug:

You can believe you're right like they believe they're right. There is a lot of propaganda as to who is right and who is wrong on everybody's side. Let them believe as they will, you believe as you will, etc. Until someone tries to tell you how to act by force, or in some other way directly effects others for their beliefs, it doesn't really matter.

LOL - Have you missed the point? There is Only One Truth about whether Jesus is The Son of God as stated in the New Testament or whether Jesus is Not The Son of God as stated in Islamic theology.

It does matter in regard to finding the true path to Salvation. That means if Islam is true then it is OK by their standards of faith to hate Jews and Christians, kill apostate Muslims, commit suicide bombings in order to die as a "martyr" for the Islamic cause, and follow the obligatory call for Jihad against all non-Muslims until this world is brought under the rule of Islam.
That is the Islamic way - period!

On the other hand, if the teachings of the New Testament Jesus are true, then Muslims need to be warned and given the opportunity to learn about what Yeshua (Jesus) taught regarding one's relationship with God and fellow man.

The command of Jesus to His followers was not to let people believe what they want to believe but to learn that He is The Way, The Truth and The Life and that no one can come unto the Father except through Him. (John 14:6)
That is what Islam denies.

99.9 % of the world's religions including Islam refute the Divinity of Jesus and teach that Salvation can be accomplished only through their denominational ideology. What do you believe? Is Jesus the Son of God and Saviour of mankind or is He not? If you know the Truth would you not want others to know the truth that sets you free???

If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. (John 8:36)

God Did For Mankind What Abraham Was Going To Do For God.

 

[Xaquin44]

It does matter in regard to finding the true path to Salvation. That means if Islam is true then it is OK by their standards of faith to hate Jews and Christians, kill apostate Muslims, commit suicide bombings in order to die as a "martyr" for the Islamic cause, and follow the obligatory call for Jihad against all non-Muslims until this world is brought under the rule of Islam.
That is the Islamic way - period!

No, that is what you seem to desperatly want it to be (for some reason). If 1/5th of the worlds population were suicide bombers then 1/5th of the worlds population would have been dead long ago.

The vast vast VAST majority of muslims couldn't care less about crap like that.