Jehovah Witness.

[b23hqb]

The Muslims do not threaten me or anyone unless we are over there in their business, or when we are doing things that are wrong.

If myself as a white man American were now over in the war zone where our Americans are occupying or drone bombing their Country(s) then THEN they would have every right to cut off my head because we are all guilty by our association, since I (and you too) are are part of the American criminal warmongering who have invaded their lands and murder their people - so we all do share that guilt.

Plus the fact that people like your self base your hatred on your religious bigotry against their religion then that makes you as even more rightfully guilty.

In this regard you are correct to live in fear because you are guilty.

Sorry, bub. They will. It's their calling. Since Abraham and Hagar begat Ishmael. Al-Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood, among others.

I am guilty of nothing other than knowing what they preach, in this case. In respect to a general calling of guilt, I, as well as everyone else, is guilty through the sin of Adam.

Fortunately for me and millions of others, a price was paid for our sins for those who acknowledge, and receive that gift, through one person only - Jesus.

That is the reason, along with any other religion that will not cow-tow to your Muslim/Islamic buds have a fatwa on the head of everyone who does not, and will not, bend to Islam.

"Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage. . . . f they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they desist, God is forgiving and merciful. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. But if they desist, fight none except the evil-doers"(Quran 2:190–93).

Kill those against Islam: "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter" (Quran 5:33).

Unbelief to Islam is the same as being in a physical war against them and their god. The punishment is death.

Beheading: "When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. 13That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment" (Quran 8:12).

Slay non-Muslims: "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful" (Quran 9:5).

Allah urges killing: "...the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease and the agitators in the city do not desist... 61Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering. 62(Such has been) the course of Allah with respect to those who have gone before; and you shall not find any change in the course of Allah" (Quran 33:60-62).


Beheading: "Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens..." (Quran 47:4).

Just a few examples from the religion of pieces.

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

They will. It's their calling.

I am guilty of nothing other than knowing what they preach,

Fortunately for me and millions of others, a price was paid for our sins for those who acknowledge, and receive that gift, through one person only - Jesus.

That is the reason, along with any other religion that will not cow-tow to your Muslim/Islamic buds have a fatwa on the head of everyone who does not, and will not, bend to Islam.

"Slay them wherever you find them. Drive them out of the places from which they drove you. Idolatry is worse than carnage. . . . f they attack you put them to the sword. Thus shall the unbelievers be rewarded: but if they desist, God is forgiving and merciful. Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme. But if they desist, fight none except the evil-doers"(Quran 2:190–93).

Kill those against Islam: "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter" (Quran 5:33).

Unbelief to Islam is the same as being in a physical war against them and their god. The punishment is death.

Beheading: "When thy Lord inspired the angels, (saying): I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. 13That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, (for him) lo! Allah is severe in punishment" (Quran 8:12).

Slay non-Muslims: "Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful" (Quran 9:5).

Allah urges killing: "...the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease and the agitators in the city do not desist... 61Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering. 62(Such has been) the course of Allah with respect to those who have gone before; and you shall not find any change in the course of Allah" (Quran 33:60-62).


Beheading: "Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens..." (Quran 47:4).

Just a few examples from the religion of pieces.

I could try to counter all of that - as I have done many times before on this board, but yours is just based on emotional fear and there is nothing to counter that.

The sad but true reality is that the white-Christian cowardice is a big plus for the merits and virtue of the religion of Islam.

It really is painfully obvious that the white Christians of America stand behind all our massive war arsenal and yet our side is the side in fear.

At the same time the Muslims being attacked and systematically murdered and abused but they are not afraid, and they have faith of our eventual and rightful collapse.

Your kind being so afraid of them has a truly sweet smell about it.

 

[b23hqb]

I could try to counter all of that - as I have done many times before on this board, but yours is just based on emotional fear and there is nothing to counter that.

The sad but true reality is that the white-Christian cowardice is a big plus for the merits and virtue of the religion of Islam.

It really is painfully obvious that the white Christians of America stand behind all our massive war arsenal and yet our side is the side in fear.

At the same time the Muslims being attacked and systematically murdered and abused but they are not afraid, and they have faith of our eventual and rightful collapse.

Your kind being so afraid of them has a truly sweet smell about it.

Counter it, then. Be my guest.

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

Counter it, then. Be my guest.

The religion of Islam and the Holy Qur'an view both Christianity and Judaism as being their sister religions, and the Muslims want to be friends to both the Christians and to the Jews, and it has always been that way ever since Muhammad and continuing near 1,500 years now.

The Holy Lands including Jerusalem was under Muslim rule for near 1,000 years, and under that Muslim rule the Christians and Jews lived peaceably with religious freedom in many ways including the right to travel and to build and to prosper in the Holy Lands.

All of that changed after the Christians' first World War when the Holy Lands were taken away from the Muslim rule by force, and then no peace or justice ever after.

It has always been a one-sided threat and one sided war as the Christians who keep attacking the Muslims, and even the Jewish State is propped up by the Christian religious bigotry against the Muslims.

The reason that now both the Christians and the Jews live in fear of the Muslims is because they fear the rightful justice coming to visit, which means their cowardice is justified.

 

[bcp]

Christians and Jews lived peaceably with religious freedom in many ways including the right to travel and to build and to prosper in the Holy Lands.

Hold mohammads goat by the reamed out butt,

what about that whole Jesus thing on the cross, Now, its just a guess on my part but that was not exactly a friendly gesture by any means, And Im pretty sure (if my history is correct) that it was also before the world wars.

 

[b23hqb]

JCP - again, said absolutely nothing. It has no response. Maybe JCP and nhboy are one and the same?

 

[warneckutz]

JCP - again, said absolutely nothing. It has no response. Maybe JCP and nhboy are one and the same?

That's what they strive for... that's what they're voting for...

 

[JPCusick]

Repair.

what about that whole Jesus thing on the cross, Now, its just a guess on my part but that was not exactly a friendly gesture by any means, And Im pretty sure (if my history is correct) that it was also before the world wars.

Yes your history is wrong.

But of course you could have gone to Wikipedia and found out the facts first and simple.

It was the Romans of the old Roman Empire (the white folk) who killed Jesus on the cross near 2,000 years ago.

The Prophet Muhammad was not born till over 500 years later after the crucifixion and Rome was already fallen, so the Muslims did not kill Jesus.

Wikipedia info link = Jewish civilization grew and thrived with the Seljuk and Ottoman rule. For much of the subsequent Seljuk and Ottoman period, Turkey was a safe haven for Jews fleeing persecution, and it continues to have a Jewish population today which, at 26,000 persons, is the second biggest in the Muslim world today, after Iran.

An interesting point is that the Romans rejected Jesus Christ and per the Bible they suffered the after effects unto their fourth (4th) generation (around 480 years) per Exodus 20:5, because the worse punishment God ever gives is to let people to live under their own choices.

 

[baydoll]

that really is just a matter of wrongfully mixing up the words, and mixing up the interpretation and translation too.

When jesus was baptized god said "beloved son" and the point was "beloved" while christian harp on the word "son".

Jesus was not the only son as jesus was the son who was beloved by the father. That is what separated jesus from the other sons and daughters who were not "the beloved" because other people were lost sinners.

What the qur'an is referring to when it says "never has god begotten a son" then it is rebuking the false claim of the "trinity" that god has 3 parts including some mythical "son" and in this the qur'an is correct because that "trinity" is nonsense.

First of all, JPC, what does 'only' mean?

Secondly, as for the qur'an being correct on the Bible's teaching of the Trinity, that's hilarious considering the qur'an states Christians worshiped and follow three gods: the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus). (Sura 5:73-75,116) so the Qu'ran is lying right there.

Lastly, it is 'nonsense' ONLY to people who are severely and solidly biased and prejudiced AGAINST Christians and Christianity.

 

[baydoll]

My brother bcp.

That is an excellent Bible quote.

Thank you for sharing.

Let's compare that to the Qu'ran, shall we?

Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,- Quran [004.095]

O ye who believe! if any from among you turn back from his Faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him,- lowly with the believers, mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the grace of Allah, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things. Quran [005.054]

Or think ye that ye shall be abandoned, as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main, and take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His Messenger, and the (community of) Believers? But Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do. Quran [009.016]

O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love, even though they have rejected the Truth that has come to you, and have (on the contrary) driven out the Prophet and yourselves (from your homes), (simply) because ye believe in Allah your Lord! Quran [060.001]

When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies. Quran [004.101]

Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. Quran [008.059-060]

They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,” (Qur'an 4:89 )

And slay them (Unbelievers) wherever ye catch them (Qur'an 2:191)

We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust. (Qur'an 3:151)

And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah...(Qur'an 8:60)

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. (Qur'an 8:12)

Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them). (Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05; see also Sahih al-Bukhari 3.857)

"That person is not a liar who makes peace between two people, and speaks good words to do away their quarrel, although they should be lies." (Mishcat, vol ii. p.427.)

And regarding the fourth, it was his constant habit in projecting expeditions (excepting only that to Tabuk) to conceal his intentions, and to give out that he was about to proceed in another direction from the true one. (Hishami, p. 392; Katib al Wackidi, p. 133 ½.)

Imam Abu Hammid Ghazali says: "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible." (Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745)

Gosh what a nice man Mohammah was.


Thanks to this site: Islamic Teachings That Prove Their Religion Is False

 

[b23hqb]

Let's compare that to the Qu'ran, shall we?

Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,- Quran [004.095]

O ye who believe! if any from among you turn back from his Faith, soon will Allah produce a people whom He will love as they will love Him,- lowly with the believers, mighty against the rejecters, fighting in the way of Allah, and never afraid of the reproaches of such as find fault. That is the grace of Allah, which He will bestow on whom He pleaseth. And Allah encompasseth all, and He knoweth all things. Quran [005.054]

Or think ye that ye shall be abandoned, as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main, and take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His Messenger, and the (community of) Believers? But Allah is well-acquainted with (all) that ye do. Quran [009.016]

O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love, even though they have rejected the Truth that has come to you, and have (on the contrary) driven out the Prophet and yourselves (from your homes), (simply) because ye believe in Allah your Lord! Quran [060.001]

When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies. Quran [004.101]

Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. Quran [008.059-060]

They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,” (Qur'an 4:89 )

And slay them (Unbelievers) wherever ye catch them (Qur'an 2:191)

We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust. (Qur'an 3:151)

And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah...(Qur'an 8:60)

I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them. (Qur'an 8:12)

Humaid b. 'Abd al-Rahman b. 'Auf reported that his mother Umm Kulthum daughter of 'Uqba b. Abu Mu'ait, and she was one amongst the first emigrants who pledged allegiance to Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), as saying that she heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: A liar is not one who tries to bring reconciliation amongst people and speaks good (in order to avert dispute), or he conveys good. Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption was granted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them). (Sahih Muslim, Hadith number 6303-05; see also Sahih al-Bukhari 3.857)

"That person is not a liar who makes peace between two people, and speaks good words to do away their quarrel, although they should be lies." (Mishcat, vol ii. p.427.)

And regarding the fourth, it was his constant habit in projecting expeditions (excepting only that to Tabuk) to conceal his intentions, and to give out that he was about to proceed in another direction from the true one. (Hishami, p. 392; Katib al Wackidi, p. 133 ½.)

Imam Abu Hammid Ghazali says: "Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible." (Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri, The Reliance of the Traveller, translated by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, amana publications, 1997, section r8.2, page 745)

Gosh what a nice man Mohammah was.


Thanks to this site: Islamic Teachings That Prove Their Religion Is False

That's way too long for JPC to read. He has to go out and vote multiple times today, after all.

 

[baydoll]

I could try to counter all of that - as I have done many times before on this board, but yours is just based on emotional fear and there is nothing to counter that.

The sad but true reality is that the white-Christian cowardice is a big plus for the merits and virtue of the religion of Islam.

It really is painfully obvious that the white Christians of America stand behind all our massive war arsenal and yet our side is the side in fear.

At the same time the Muslims being attacked and systematically murdered and abused but they are not afraid, and they have faith of our eventual and rightful collapse.

Your kind being so afraid of them has a truly sweet smell about it.

So let me get this straight: You're saying it's okay for Muslims to kill their enemies but when 'Christians' kill it's wrong?

And also, can you point out the Bible verses that says Christian should kill their enemies just because they don't become Christians? Or any verses for that matter that says it's okay for Christians to torture and kill others?

Thank you!

 

[baydoll]

The religion of Islam and the Holy Qur'an view both Christianity and Judaism as being their sister religions, and the Muslims want to be friends to both the Christians and to the Jews, and it has always been that way ever since Muhammad and continuing near 1,500 years now.

Another question, JPC:

Islam states both Mohammed and Jesus of Nazareth were Muslims and prophets sent by Allah. Now if this were true, (because after all, Allah sent them BOTH) then both these prophets MUST correspond exactly with each other in all points and never not once contradict the other,

true or false?

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

First of all, JPC, what does 'only' mean?

That depends on how the word is used.

If God says His "only beloved son" then the other sons are not beloved, or if God says His "only begotten son" then the other sons are not begotten.

I have already showed you how the Bible declares repeatedly in many places that God has many sons, see Post #94, and in fact every human being throughout the planet earth are all God's sons and daughters.

Secondly, as for the qur'an being correct on the Bible's teaching of the Trinity, that's hilarious considering the qur'an states Christians worshiped and follow three gods: the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus). (Sura 5:73-75,116) so the Qu'ran is lying right there.

That is NOT what it says.

Here is the correct wording: They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. Surat 5:73

As I said - the Qur'an is rightfully denouncing the nonsense "Trinity" and the Christians are wrong.

And we all might take notice of how you misquoted and misrepresented the Qur'an instead of getting it correct.


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So let me get this straight: You're saying it's okay for Muslims to kill their enemies but when 'Christians' kill it's wrong?

And also, can you point out the Bible verses that says Christian should kill their enemies just because they don't become Christians? Or any verses for that matter that says it's okay for Christians to torture and kill others?

No, what is being said is that Christian are being unjust and unGodly and the Christians are sinning, and therefore the Christians need to stop that and repent of our evil doings.

The Christians are wrongfully on the offensive while the Muslims are rightly on their own defensive against the Christians, and being on the defensive makes the Muslims as justified and thereby righteous.

The Muslims have every right to defend themselves against the Christians because the Christians are the violent and immoral attackers.


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Another question, JPC:

Islam states both Mohammed and Jesus of Nazareth were Muslims and prophets sent by Allah. Now if this were true, (because after all, Allah sent them BOTH) then both these prophets MUST correspond exactly with each other in all points and never not once contradict the other,

true or false?

I say that is NOT true.

It is like God being a parent talking to a lot of different children, and so the Father God tells some thing different to men children than told to women children, and God tells an older child different than a younger child, and God sends the best message for the specific children. Much like God sent the Buddha to Asia and sent Gandhi to India and Jesus to the lost sheep of Israel and Muhammad to the Arab world and God sends many Shamans, Gurus and Ministers all throughout humanity.

The Apostle Paul explains this same thing by saying there are different part of the body, as in one part is the eye and another the foot and another for hearing, but the broken body fits together as one, per 1 Corinthians 12:1-31

I say that we can see and know the connection of every different message without the contradiction, but that can only come through a lot of enlightenment.

 

[baydoll]

I have already showed you how the Bible declares repeatedly in many places that God has many sons, see Post #94, and in fact every human being throughout the planet earth are all God's sons and daughters.

And I've already showed YOU the Bible says otherwise.

Here it is AGAIN:

You:

"The Christians try to claim that Jesus was the one and only "Son" which is not what the Bible declares, and Jesus Himself told us all that we all have the same Heavenly Father to His human children."

Me:

And if what you say is true about everyone being God's children, then why did Jesus say the following?

"Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me." John 8:42

and then this right afterwards:


"You are of your father the Devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars. " (John 8:44)

and:

"among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." (Ephesians 2:3)

and:

Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8)

and :

"This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring." Romans 9:8.

And lastly:

"By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother." 1 John 3:10


"he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, " Ephesians 1:5

" to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” " Galatians 4:5–6

So obviously not everyone is a child of God. One needs to be 'adopted in' through faith in Christ Jesus as their Savior (Galatians 3:26). That's the ONLY way.

Care to comment on this JPC since you failed to do so the last time around?

 

[baydoll]

That depends on how the word is used.

If God says His "only beloved son" then the other sons are not beloved, or if God says His "only begotten son" then the other sons are not begotten.

Good grief.

JPC, are you familiar with the Greek Language?

 

[baydoll]

Me again:

Secondly, as for the qur'an being correct on the Bible's teaching of the Trinity, that's hilarious considering the qur'an states Christians worshiped and follow three gods: the Father, the Mother (Mary), and the Son (Jesus). (Sura 5:73-75,116) so the Qu'ran is lying right there.

You:

That is NOT what it says.

Here is the correct wording: They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. Surat 5:73

As I said - the Qur'an is rightfully denouncing the nonsense "Trinity" and the Christians are wrong.

And we all might take notice of how you misquoted and misrepresented the Qur'an instead of getting it correct.

Next time try posting the WHOLE passage, JPC, not just a tiny piece of it. Just a friendly little hint.

Starting with Sura 5:116 :

After reminding him of these favors, Allah will say: "O Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Marry), Did you ever say to the people, "worship me and my mother as gods beside Allah?" He will answer: "Glory to You! How could I say what I had no right to say? If I had ever said so, you would have certainly known it. You know what is in my heart, but I know not what is in Yours; for You have full knowledge of all the unseen. (Surah 5:116, Al-Maida, F. Malik Translation)

Sura 5:72-75 :

They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.

They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.

So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. "

You're welcome.

 

[b23hqb]

Good grief.

JPC, are you familiar with the Greek Language?

It is difficult to tell at times if he is familiar with the English language and what words mean. To take our mangled English and define it by the purest, clearest language ever devised by man would incomprehensible to a statesman like JPC.

 

[JPCusick]

Repair.

And if what you say is true about everyone being God's children, then why did Jesus say the following?

"Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me." John 8:42

And lastly:

"By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother." 1 John 3:10

Care to comment on this JPC since you failed to do so the last time around?

Sorry that I failed to answer that one, as I do make mistakes and mishaps some times.

You really give your own answer to your own question, because 1 John 3:10 is the answer as shown in the above quote.

It is talking about spiritual children (spiritual sons and daughters) and not about physical offspring like being babies then grown up.

If we took what you are saying literally (as you are presenting it) then God or Jesus or John are NOT saying that the Devil had intercourse with their mothers and thereby were born as physical children of the Devil - no, certainly not, but because those children of God are sinning sinners then spiritually they are dysfunctional and lost.

And in fact no one can be "lost" unless they were first part of the group from which they became lost.

If those same sinning sinners (or sinners today) were to repent and change into doing right then they would stop being spiritual children of the Devil and would become spiritually adopted children of God.

Turn away from the evil and turn back to our Heavenly Father.

 

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Reply.

Next time try posting the WHOLE passage, JPC, not just a tiny piece of it. Just a friendly little hint.

Starting with Sura 5:116 :

After reminding him of these favors, Allah will say: "O Isa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Marry), Did you ever say to the people, "worship me and my mother as gods beside Allah?" He will answer: "Glory to You! How could I say what I had no right to say? If I had ever said so, you would have certainly known it. You know what is in my heart, but I know not what is in Yours; for You have full knowledge of all the unseen. (Surah 5:116, Al-Maida, F. Malik Translation)

Sura 5:72-75 :

They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary" while the Messiah has said, "O Children of Israel, worship Allah , my Lord and your Lord." Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.

They have certainly disbelieved who say, " Allah is the third of three." And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.

So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. "

You're welcome.

All of that is correct, and I am happy that you see it and share it.

I suggest for any honest soul to read the entire Qur'an from beginning to end, and also read the Bible.

And when the Jehovah Witnesses come by then talk to them too.