Jehovah Witness.

[baydoll]

JPC:

No, what is being said is that Christian are being unjust and unGodly and the Christians are sinning, and therefore the Christians need to stop that and repent of our evil doings.

The Christians are wrongfully on the offensive while the Muslims are rightly on their own defensive against the Christians, and being on the defensive makes the Muslims as justified and thereby righteous.

The Muslims have every right to defend themselves against the Christians because the Christians are the violent and immoral attackers.

And how do you know it is Christians that are attacking these poor misunderstood Muslims, JPC?

And also, since you missed it the first time:

Where does it say in the Bible that says Christian should kill their enemies just because they don't become Christians? Or any verses for that matter that says it's okay for Christians to torture and kill others? I'm still waiting for you to share this with us, thanks!

 

[Beta84]

Why is it not equally reprehensible for them when they run and hide away from me when I tell them I'm Atheist, Jewish, or Pagan? I've tried them all and yet they still run away like I'm going to hurt them.

But why are you changing the subject from real estate? Sheesh

Hey JP, what happened to our lovely discussion? It's almost as if you're avoiding my question because you don't have an answer.

 

[JPCusick]

Repair.

And how do you know it is Christians that are attacking these poor misunderstood Muslims, JPC?

Because I was one of those kind before I repented of the ignorance.

I am still a white Christian male - so yes I know what my brethren do.

And also, since you missed it the first time:

Where does it say in the Bible that says Christian should kill their enemies just because they don't become Christians? Or any verses for that matter that says it's okay for Christians to torture and kill others? I'm still waiting for you to share this with us, thanks!

I did not miss that as I just saw it as so reprehensible that I hoped over time that you yourself would see the [ blank ] of it.

The answer = The Bible does not say any such thing, and the so called "Christians" who do kill and torture and such as those while claiming to be a Christian - are not true.

The Bible specifically declare to = "Love thy enemy ..." Matthew 5:43-48

 

[baydoll]

I say that is NOT true.

It is like God being a parent talking to a lot of different children, and so the Father God tells some thing different to men children than told to women children, and God tells an older child different than a younger child, and God sends the best message for the specific children. Much like God sent the Buddha to Asia and sent Gandhi to India and Jesus to the lost sheep of Israel and Muhammad to the Arab world and God sends many Shamans, Gurus and Ministers all throughout humanity.

The Apostle Paul explains this same thing by saying there are different part of the body, as in one part is the eye and another the foot and another for hearing, but the broken body fits together as one, per 1 Corinthians 12:1-31

I say that we can see and know the connection of every different message without the contradiction, but that can only come through a lot of enlightenment.

But Jesus says He is God, JPC. Yet Allah says He isn't. You would think Allah would have set Him straight on that one.

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

Why is it not equally reprehensible for them when they run and hide away from me when I tell them I'm Atheist, Jewish, or Pagan? I've tried them all and yet they still run away like I'm going to hurt them.

But why are you changing the subject from real estate? Sheesh

Hey JP, what happened to our lovely discussion? It's almost as if you're avoiding my question because you don't have an answer.

I really saw our exchange as finished, and I view the idea that you think such a tactic will send the Jehovah Witnesses away - is a tactic that will fail and that suits me just fine.

The JWs surely will talk with anyone willing to talk, be they Atheist, Jewish or Pagan or anything else.

I know the JWs very well and I know that they will indeed talk to anyone of any kind if the person(s) are willing to talk (unless shunned).

If you do not believe that - then that is no concern of mine.

What I do say is that it is wrong to lie, and it is wrong for you to suggest that people lie - by claiming to be something which they are not, and even more so I see it as reprehensible that any person can not speak the truth (your own truth) in your own home at your own front door.

If you or anyone is a sincere Christian seeking after the truth then surely one needs to talk to the JWs about Christ and about the Christianity and why not?

 

[baydoll]

Because I was one of those kind before I repented of the ignorance.

I am still a white Christian male - so yes I know what my brethren do.

And you know every Christian male that's ever existed? Really?

So what makes one a Christian?

 

[baydoll]

I did not miss that as I just saw it as so reprehensible that I hoped over time that you yourself would see the [ blank ] of it.

The answer = The Bible does not say any such thing, and the so called "Christians" who do kill and torture and such as those while claiming to be a Christian - are not true.

The Bible specifically declare to = "Love thy enemy ..." Matthew 5:43-48

Exactly. Those who do those things ARE NOT CHRISTIANS and are NOT FOLLOWING CHRIST.

Thanks for proving my point, darlin'.

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

But Jesus says He is God, JPC. Yet Allah says He isn't. You would think Allah would have set Him straight on that one.

In that case Allah (God) is correct, in that Jesus is not the Father God.

When Jesus declares that He and the Father are one, John 10:30-39, then He is again speaking spiritually, as said in post 139, and in 1 John 3:10

The word of God is always like a double edged sword, Revelations 2:12-16, as there is always a physical and a spiritual side to everything.

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

Exactly. Those who do those things ARE NOT CHRISTIANS and are NOT FOLLOWING CHRIST.

Thanks for proving my point, darlin'.

If that was your point - then yes, you and I are in agreement.

Cheers sweetie.

 

[baydoll]

In that case Allah (God) is correct, in that Jesus is not the Father God.

When Jesus declares that He and the Father are one, John 10:30-39, then He is again speaking spiritually, as said in post 139, and in 1 John 3:10

The word of God is always like a double edged sword, Revelations 2:12-16, as there is always a physical and a spiritual side to everything.

Mmmm that's nice and all but still doesn't answer my question, JPC. Why didn't Allah set Jesus straight when Jesus claimed to BE God if He wasn't and Allah forbids worshipping anyone other than him? And yet we see people not only worshipping Jesus but Jesus permits them to do so.

Matthew 14:33 33 "And those who were in the boat worshiped Him, saying, “You are certainly God’s Son!” "


Here are some of the verses where Jesus claims He is God:

John 10:30-33

I and My Father are one.”
Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?”

The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.”


John 8:58

Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.”

Revelation 1:8

8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,”[a] says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”


Revelation 22:13

13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”[a]


Revelation 22:16

16 “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the Bright and Morning Star.”

If what Allah says is true and Jesus is not God nor should He be worshipped as God then why did Jesus go around saying He was God and permitted people to worship Him?

When Jesus claimed to be God incarnate, either:

1.) He was telling the truth.

2.) He was lying -- He wasn't God and knew it.

3.) He was a lunatic -- He wasn't God but thought He was.

So which one is it, JPC?

 

[baydoll]

If that was your point - then yes, you and I are in agreement.

Cheers sweetie.

Well that's odd considering how you accuse Christians of being violent and immoral and unjust and unGodly and are sinning and doing evil things to Muslims:

No, what is being said is that Christian are being unjust and unGodly and the Christians are sinning, and therefore the Christians need to stop that and repent of our evil doings.

The Christians are wrongfully on the offensive while the Muslims are rightly on their own defensive against the Christians, and being on the defensive makes the Muslims as justified and thereby righteous.

The Muslims have every right to defend themselves against the Christians because the Christians are the violent and immoral attackers.

Slander much?

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

Mmmm that's nice and all but still doesn't answer my question, JPC. Why didn't Allah set Jesus straight when Jesus claimed to BE God if He wasn't and Allah forbids worshipping anyone other than him? And yet we see people not only worshipping Jesus but Jesus permits them to do so.

When Jesus claimed to be God incarnate, either:

1.) He was telling the truth.

2.) He was lying -- He wasn't God and knew it.

3.) He was a lunatic -- He wasn't God but thought He was.

So which one is it, JPC?

I do not say anything against Jesus, as it is just your-self that is wrong here, and Christianity worldwide is wrong about very many things.

Jesus told the truth, but humans get the interpretations mixed up and confused.

Well that's odd considering how you accuse Christians of being violent and immoral and unjust and unGodly and are sinning and doing evil things to Muslims:

Slander much?

People who claim to be Christians are just wrong or foolish or dishonest, but they call them self that then that is what they be.

I do not much like saying such things as true Christian or real Christian or fake Christian or so called Christian, as we all make up the world religion of Christianity no matter whatever definition or interpretation might be included.

For my own perspective then I do not know of any true or real Christian, so I say we all fail in that regard.

 

[baydoll]

I do not say anything against Jesus, as it is just your-self that is wrong here, and Christianity worldwide is wrong about very many things.

Jesus told the truth, but humans get the interpretations mixed up and confused.

So we're to conclude that you are the only human being in this whole entire universe throughout the history of this world that got it right? Wow.

 

[baydoll]

People who claim to be Christians are just wrong or foolish or dishonest, but they call them self that then that is what they be.

I do not much like saying such things as true Christian or real Christian or fake Christian or so called Christian, as we all make up the world religion of Christianity no matter whatever definition or interpretation might be included.

For my own perspective then I do not know of any true or real Christian, so I say we all fail in that regard.

And do you know any 'true' Muslims, JPC? Been to any of their countries lately?

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

So we're to conclude that you are the only human being in this whole entire universe throughout the history of this world that got it right? Wow.

I do not say that I have it completely, which is how I would define having it right, but I certainly have it more accurate than anyone on this board, and more accurate than anyone else that I know of on the entire planet earth.

But I do not see this as something peculiar about myself as my reasons for having the truth and the extended info is simply because I did the research and I learned mine in a very hard way by actively seeking out the truth.

And do you know any 'true' Muslims, JPC? Been to any of their countries lately?

Of course the Muslims are Muslim and the Christians are Christians, and it does not matter if we or they fail to fulfill the faith to the maximum.

So being a "true" Christian or a "true" Muslim means little to me, even though I do know that other people do fight and even kill because of such distinctions.

I really have known Muslims and have been great friends with some Muslims, and I do know some Jehovah Witnesses and was great friends with some of them too, while most Christians are not friendly to me since my Christianity is so different from theirs, so right now I have little contact with any religious people because of my limited circumstances.

As to going to any other Country - then I have never been out of our USA.

 

[baydoll]

I do not say that I have it completely, which is how I would define having it right, but I certainly have it more accurate than anyone on this board, and more accurate than anyone else that I know of on the entire planet earth.

But I do not see this as something peculiar about myself as my reasons for having the truth and the extended info is simply because I did the research and I learned mine in a very hard way by actively seeking out the truth.

And this research and info would be ...?

 

[baydoll]

Of course the Muslims are Muslim and the Christians are Christians, and it does not matter if we or they fail to fulfill the faith to the maximum.

So being a "true" Christian or a "true" Muslim means little to me, even though I do know that other people do fight and even kill because of such distinctions.

I really have known Muslims and have been great friends with some Muslims, and I do know some Jehovah Witnesses and was great friends with some of them too, while most Christians are not friendly to me since my Christianity is so different from theirs, so right now I have little contact with any religious people because of my limited circumstances.

As to going to any other Country - then I have never been out of our USA.

So what makes a Muslim a 'Muslim' and a Christian a 'Christian'?

So how do you know what Muslims and Christians are really doing (around the world) if you've never been outside of the USA?

How do you know Muslims are being unfairly persecuted?

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

And this research and info would be ...?

I am not about to make some listing of everything that I have researched, but just a couple of research references of mine is the Bible and the Qur'an, and for this thread subject the info from the Jehovah Witnesses.

So what makes a Muslim a 'Muslim' and a Christian a 'Christian'?

So how do you know what Muslims and Christians are really doing (around the world) if you've never been outside of the USA?

How do you know Muslims are being unfairly persecuted?

A Muslim makes them self into a Muslim, and a Christian makes themselves in Christians, and it really is up to the individual conscience as to what makes anyone as sincere or true.

We all have the same sources in that we watch the TV News and shows, and read books, magazines, papers, and hear reports from people who have been to any such place.

Our American News reports and Politics / Politicians do tell us the stuff happening unjustly to the Muslims and thereby it is known.

Link = Jehovah's Witnesses and Religious Persecution - Current, History

Link = Israel continues to persecute its Palestinian citizens | OregonLive.com

 

[TNRabbit]

One of the things that burns me about JWs is they have no allegiance to our country. They reap the benefits, yet refuse to participate.

*Dons flame-proof suit*

 

[baydoll]

One of the things that burns me about JWs is they have no allegiance to our country. They reap the benefits, yet refuse to participate.

*Dons flame-proof suit*

Boy are YOU in for it.