Jehovah Witness.

[baydoll]

I am not about to make some listing of everything that I have researched, but just a couple of research references of mine is the Bible and the Qur'an, and for this thread subject the info from the Jehovah Witnesses.

Do you believe the Jehovah Witnesses and Islam are the only two religions that have the truth?

And as for these Bible and Qu'ran researcg referrences, these would be.....? Obviously I'm not asking for all of them, just a few. Thanks.

 

[baydoll]

A Muslim makes them self into a Muslim, and a Christian makes themselves in Christians, and it really is up to the individual conscience as to what makes anyone as sincere or true.

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How does one make themselves 'into' being a Muslim or a Christian, JPC? Explain this process to us, thanks.

 

[baydoll]

We all have the same sources in that we watch the TV News and shows, and read books, magazines, papers, and hear reports from people who have been to any such place.

Our American News reports and Politics / Politicians do tell us the stuff happening unjustly to the Muslims and thereby it is known.

Actually 'we' (as in you and I) don't have the same sources (obviously) as most (if not all) the 'news' ( ) and media that is filtered down to us undeserving peons is (oh how shall I put this nicely) utter bull feces and not worth even lining my bird's cage with. And as for your politicians and 'reports from people who have been to such places' that depends on who those people are. None of them would be biased and prejudiced, now would they? And certainly one would never admit to this even if they were in the first place, now would they.

JPC we're not as stupid as you'd like us to be.

 

[baydoll]

And a couple of opposing links:

Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

Witnessing to Muslims

Islam: HOME PAGE START

Living In Hell - Iran

Arabs for Christ: Evangelism in the Arab World

Iranian Christians International, Inc. Catalog - Muslim Evangelism Scriptures, Books, Tracts, Audio, Video, Music

http://www.faithfreedom.org/category/news/

 

[JPCusick]

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One of the things that burns me about JWs is they have no allegiance to our country. They reap the benefits, yet refuse to participate.

*Dons flame-proof suit*

The Jehovah Witnesses do not swear any allegiance to any flag or to any Country because their first and only allegiance is to God.

In that the JWs are really correct.

They still do obey the laws of every Country - unless they view any given law as directly sinful for them to follow.

I see your given logic as extremely wrong, in that if a citizen prospers and benefits inside the USA that then they need to always give their approval to our Gov even when our Gov it is doing wrong - well the Bible (and Peter) says no, Acts 5:29.


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None of them would be biased and prejudiced, now would they?

I figure every source of News or any information as being at least bias and very many as prejudiced, so I am with you on that.

But for me when I see the bias or the prejudice then I can also recognize the more accurate truths, because behind every lie is the truth, and we simply need to look at it and correctly judge it in order to figure it out.

JPC we're not as stupid as you'd like us to be.

I do not see you or anyone as being "stupid", and in fact I could respect being stupid.

I see you all as being just mean and hateful, being cruel and unloving, and in most cases I view you all as being rather intelligent and educated bigots.

Do you believe the Jehovah Witnesses and Islam are the only two religions that have the truth?

No, every religion of every kind has parts and pieces of the truth being "here a little and there a little".

As Jesus tells us in the famous "Last Supper" the body and blood are both broken and spilled out.

And = "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? ... here a little, and there a little;" KJV, Isaiah 28:9-13

So no religion or person has all of the truth or all of the pieces, and every religion and every person has some piece or pieces, so the greater truths and the full truth must be sought after as in seek and ye shall find so parts of the truth can be found in every place.

 

[baydoll]

I figure every source of News or any information as being at least bias and very many as prejudiced, so I am with you on that.

But for me when I see the bias or the prejudice then I can also recognize the more accurate truths, because behind every lie is the truth, and we simply need to look at it and correctly judge it in order to figure it out.

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[baydoll]

I figure every source of News or any information as being at least bias and very many as prejudiced, so I am with you on that.

But for me when I see the bias or the prejudice then I can also recognize the more accurate truths, because behind every lie is the truth, and we simply need to look at it and correctly judge it in order to figure it out.

But by 'whose' standards, JPC? Yours? Why do you have the corner on the truth? Do you have the mind of God? Are you one of His 'Chosen' ones?

 

[baydoll]

I do not see you or anyone as being "stupid", and in fact I could respect being stupid.

I see you all as being just mean and hateful, being cruel and unloving, and in most cases I view you all as being rather intelligent and educated bigots.

And we see you as being the very same way, JPC.

I see nothing respectful or loving or kind or thoughtful in anything you post. Actually I see you as extremely hateful and bigoted and prejudiced and mean and cruel and hypocritical against US and you seem incredibly and exceedingly blind to that fact. Which is very sad in itself.

How are you blind? Because you think I hate Muslims (and all those who are not Christians) when nothing could be further from the truth. I love the Muslim people. I love the JWs. I love the SDAs. I love Catholics! (I was married to one for over 25 years. We're still good friends to this day. Most of my family and friends are Catholic.) I love gay people! My son is gay! I love him dearly! I even love his BF! Bottom line is this, JPC: I LOVE ALL people! Even you.

And you wanna know what's funny? Their (Muslims) feelings isn't mutual.

There's a name for that, JPC: it's spelled H Y P O C R I T E.

 

[JPCusick]

Reply.

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I do not see my postings as being the worse writing, and I can only do what I can do so that is that.

My postings are meant to be perfect, and that is hard to achieve.

But by 'whose' standards, JPC? Yours? Why do you have the corner on the truth? Do you have the mind of God? Are you one of His 'Chosen' ones?

I do use myself as my own standard, because I am a very honest and truthful person, and my own conscience really does drive me crazy if I do otherwise.

And I do see myself as a chosen one but so are you, and in fact every person throughout all of humanity are every one a chosen person as everyone is a son or daughter of God.

I so no reason why you or any other person including myself can not have the many deep truths of life and of God, so the only reason anyone does not is because we stop ourselves through our various forms of weakness and sin.

Because you think I hate Muslims (and all those who are not Christians) when nothing could be further from the truth. I love the Muslim people.

Their (Muslims) feelings isn't mutual.

That is not quite accurate, as I do see your words as being hateful but I say it is because you are afraid of the Muslims and the Jehovah Witnesses, and so it is really just fear being expressed as hate.

I say both the Muslims and the JWs have every right and justification to hate every one of us because of our shared bigotries against them.

Justifiable hatred is something that I respect.

 

[baydoll]

No, every religion of every kind has parts and pieces of the truth being "here a little and there a little".

As Jesus tells us in the famous "Last Supper" the body and blood are both broken and spilled out.

And = "Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? ... here a little, and there a little;" KJV, Isaiah 28:9-13

So no religion or person has all of the truth or all of the pieces, and every religion and every person has some piece or pieces, so the greater truths and the full truth must be sought after as in seek and ye shall find so parts of the truth can be found in every place.

First of all you are wildly quoting out of context which totally destroys the original meanings completely.

Starting with the one in Isaiah. The whole chapter (not just the few verses you mention) is about Isaiah speaking to the leaders in Israel in which we see God pronouncing six woes on them because of their disobedience to God which culminated in both Judah and Samaria being destroyed by foreign nations.

In that particular message, this has to do with teaching (Who is it he is trying to teach? (v. 9)). The whole point being these were no longer children Isaiah is addressing. Due to their unwillingness to progress further on in their relationship with God, He must therefore treat them as little babies as they keep going back to the primitive methods: "precept upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line." "Do and do, do and do, rule on rule, rule on rule; a little here, a little there." In other words God was totally fed up with them. God was being condescending towards them by mocking them. Or in other words, HE WAS MAKING FUN OF THEM. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with 'every religion of every kind has parts and pieces of the truth being "here a little and there a little".

No wonder you are deluded.

I'll be back later with the rest.

 

[baydoll]

That is not quite accurate, as I do see your words as being hateful but I say it is because you are afraid of the Muslims and the Jehovah Witnesses, and so it is really just fear being expressed as hate.

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^^^Projection big times.

I see your words as being hateful towards me and my fellow Christians, JPC. I say this because I think you are deathly afraid of us (that we may be right after all) so it's really just your fear being expressed as hatred.

I say both the Muslims and the JWs have every right and justification to hate every one of us because of our shared bigotries against them.

Justifiable hatred is something that I respect

And this is the difference between true Christianity and the Muslims and JWs ect. (and especially you). For Christ told His followers to love their enemies and bless those who persecuted them. Those Christians who hate anyone (be it Muslims, JWs whatever) are disobeying Christ bottom line. Or they really aren't Christians at all. By their fruits you shall know them.

And if you think justifiable hatred is something you respect than I feel very sorry for you, JPC. Because you are being a hypocrite in the worse possible way. Truly.

PS:

I am sorry I haven't yet finished my reply to you in the previous post..I am going out of town for the next several days and I don't know if the condo I'm staying in has internet connection. So please be bare with me! I'll try to get back on later this week. Thank you!

 

[JPCusick]

Repair.

In other words God was totally fed up with them. God was being condescending towards them by mocking them. Or in other words, HE WAS MAKING FUN OF THEM. It has NOTHING whatsoever to do with 'every religion of every kind has parts and pieces of the truth being "here a little and there a little".

There really is nothing more for you and I to discuss after that.

The real God does NOT disrespect anyone.

And if you think justifiable hatred is something you respect than I feel very sorry for you, JPC. Because you are being a hypocrite in the worse possible way.

To hate the sin is the right thing to do, but do not hate the sinner.

That is how the hatred is made justifiable.

 

[baydoll]

To hate the sin is the right thing to do, but do not hate the sinner.

That is how the hatred is made justifiable.

And yet you hate the sinner. That's why you are a hypocrite, JPC.

AGAIN, you prove my point.

 

[baydoll]

The real God does NOT disrespect anyone.

Would that include the Muslim's 'God'?

 

[cheezgrits]

Would that include the Muslim's 'God'?

Soooo, we're back to there being different gods?

 

[baydoll]

Soooo, we're back to there being different gods?

Yup.