Jessica Lynch and other Bush lies

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Otter...

...just give it a one or two word descriptive name and add it to the list!

Hebrew-gate?

I remember that. And the NYC Peurto Rican gang pardons/TWA 800 coincidences as well.
 

ThayerP

New Member
Re: There is some truth...

Originally posted by Larry Gude
...in that HE chose poorly, but, that is a leadership skill. Also, everything I ever read about Clinton is that he is a terrible micro manager, constantly imersing himself in the details and interfering with people doing their job.

These things go hand in hand; inability to delegate because you don't trust your own judgement BECAUSE you have poor judgement.

Clinton the President is a tribute to American ideas that ANYBODY can succeed in this counrty. Clinton the person is a reminder that that "doing" and "being" something are very different.

Anyone can BE President.

Not everyone can DO President.

And the choice is ours. My objections arise when people try to change the facts. The truth is often rather important.
In my experience micro-management of anything just leads to trouble. And your right it comes out of an insecurity in the managers ability to select people that are to be rhis reports properly.

In todays world being elected to the presidency is nothing more than having a good PR team and a magnetic personality. After election is where the problems usually start and the persons inability to be a good manager shows up. Unfortunately, by then it's too late for a four year period.

You hit it on the head. Anybody can BE President. Not Everyone can DO President.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Splitting hairs here...

In todays world being elected to the presidency is nothing more than having a good PR team and a magnetic personality. After election is where the problems usually start and the persons inability to be a good manager shows up.

For all we know, the average Joe, Gore IS magnetic and it just doesn't convey on TV while W conveys "great guy" and may be actually "wooden," right?

Inability to manage isn't a big deal in and of itself. Bill could have GOTTEN a good or great manager. It seems inherent that if you operate the way I think they (the Clintons) did/do operate (abnormally dishonestly) then you CAN'T delegate. I think Vince Foster got caught up in all this, saw disaster coming for his friends and guilt and depression just pushed him over the edge.

In any event, we, the people, bought the goods and would have likely elected him again if it were possible. I couldn't beleive it the first time. The second was shear fantasy. Not sure I can comprehend a third term.

That's why the facts matter so.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Originally posted by ThayerP
But I am willing to bet it was his advisors who told him to lie because it would put him in a position where he would have been impeached. As it was his advisors had him stretch the process out to a point where he lasted his whole term and now what people think of him really doesn't matter. He's not in office anymore.
I don't buy that. According to everyone I have heard talk or write about the Clinton sexcapade none of them knew that he would provide false testimony. For crying out loud he was a lawyer and should have known that by doing so he was breaking the law. He didn't need an advisor to tell him that.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
One of the (few) things I respect about Bush is that he acknowledged his weaknesses and got in people to make up for them. If Clinton had done that, instead of this pathological "alpha male" syndrome he had going on, that would be one less thing for me to criticize.

Back to the subject: In checking back over stories about the Lynch rescue, if any lying or embellishment was done, it appears to have been done by the media, not Bush or anyone in the Bush Administration.

So, once again, I'd like Dems to explain just exactly WHAT Bush lied about, regarding Jessica Lynch.
 

Frank

Chairman of the Board
Actually, I'm still on the "everybody else did it" thing. I found it amusing that every person named as acting inappropriately in the WH were all Democrats.

But I'm still of the type that holds the Founding Fathers in extremely high regard, especially in lieu of all of the recent biographies recently written about them. They were extraordinary men, the likes of which the modern era still hasn't seen.

And I'm always hearing half-baked rumors about some of them that are uncorroborated by anything. Heck, some of them I've heard were outright lies (one was that Lincoln owned slaves - just imagine - the guy who rose to political office as a life-long abolitionist - positively ridiculous). Do we just hear some scurrilous rumor, and believe it? NO body would believe that someone like Reagan was running around in office - why would we believe that Washington did?

Can anyone point to a single source that says that some of these men did these things? I'm not convinced. I'm certainly not convinced by the argument "well *I* would have done it, then". Those were dangerous times, then - men killed each other in duels, and fought on the floor of Congress. With a nation almost always in peril, it's hard to believe some of these men, in the beginning, were all a bunch of lying scoundrels.
 

Otter

Nothing to see here
Originally posted by vraiblonde
So, once again, I'd like Dems to explain just exactly WHAT Bush lied about, regarding Jessica Lynch.

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Dymphna

Loyalty, Friendship, Love
Originally posted by ThayerP
That Thomas Jefferson and George Washington were sleezy for keeping their mistresses in the WH for their pleasure?

George Washington never lived in the WH. (yeah, I know :offtopic: )
 

ThayerP

New Member
Originally posted by cmcdanal
George Washington never lived in the WH. (yeah, I know :offtopic: )
I put that in there...It's funny because I was thinking while typing that message that I cannot say in the WH because they were not living there. I must have thought about it too much. :frown:
 
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