Jesus documentary part two..

[SMIB Sucks]

You mean other than the fact that it attempts to tear the heart out of Christianity by stating that Jesus is not God, was not resurrected, and His bones are in some box?

I don't even believe in Christianity but it's highly unlikely that those are the bones of Jesus and his family. They actually found those tombs like 20 years ago, and the names were so common back then. This I actually do believe was a publicity stunt. It has become the norm to attack chirstianity...it's not right...but for some reason has become so popular.

 

[Midnightrider]

It goes to whether the Bible is right or wrong. Period. If any part of the Bible is not trustworthy, none of it is trustworthy.

since people wrote the bible, it is bound to contain inaccuracies, I wouldn't equate one ommission or inaccuracy with completely invalidating the bible

In the other thread on this, it was asked why the "scholars" waited so long to produce this program. Opinion - money and Christian bashing is more accepted now than it was in the 1980s when these bone boxes were found

I think they said the site was closed to them by the local government branch. In fact they were stopped during filming by the IAA (something something antiquties??? maybe)

 

[Tonio]

since people wrote the bible, it is bound to contain inaccuracies, I wouldn't equate one ommission or inaccuracy with completely invalidating the bible

I agree.

 

[Gwydion]

Everybody (regardless of religion) knows that Jesus existed. Everybody knows he had a father and mother named mary and Joseph.

Jesus is the most recognized person......ever. Influenced billions of people over the past 2000 years. I, meslef, could care less if his bones are in his tomb. I could care less if the bible made a little "uh-oh" in its writing. What I AM interested in is is this the real tomb of THE jesus. The guy everybody prays to.

Forget religion. Who wouldn't want to go and take a look at the tomb where JESUS laid?

 

[2ndAmendment]

since people wrote the bible, it is bound to contain inaccuracies, I wouldn't equate one ommission or inaccuracy with completely invalidating the bible.

I think they said the site was closed to them by the local government branch. In fact they were stopped during filming by the IAA (something something antiquties??? maybe)

The absolute Truth of the Bible has been discussed ad infinitum, even in this forum, and there are web sites devoted to both sides of the infallible Truth of the Bible. I believe the Bible is the word of God. He directed what was written. If you choose to, read these.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin.htm
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1995/102/

Will any evidence convince a non believer? No. Only the Holy Spirit changes the heart and opens the eyes to the Truth of God. Hope that happens for you. When it does, you'll go duh, why didn't I see this. It is so obvious. Until then, nothing any believer says will change your mind.

 

[Gwydion]

Yes. Somebody finding patterns in the bible will make me a believer. Same thing has been done with Harry potter, LOTR, Shakespeare, etc. Should I believe that a a boy with a scar defeated Sauron after he watched Ophelia die?

 

[Midnightrider]

The absolute Truth of the Bible has been discussed ad infinitum, even in this forum, and there are web sites devoted to both sides of the infallible Truth of the Bible. I believe the Bible is the word of God. He directed what was written. If you choose to, read these.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin.htm
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1995/102/

Will any evidence convince a non believer? No. Only the Holy Spirit changes the heart and opens the eyes to the Truth of God. Hope that happens for you. When it does, you'll go duh, why didn't I see this. It is so obvious. Until then, nothing any believer says will change your mind.

Numerology NOW THAT IS SOME FUNNY STUFF RIGHT THERE.
And to beliveve i almost didn't follow the links. you must live in a dark, voodo filled world if number sequences are the proof a book is the infallible word of god.


That aside, I still dont accept that all of the bible is invalid if you can prove that one of these statements is embelished/mistranslated/untrue/exagerated/subject of artistic license.

 

[Bustem' Down]

All I saw in that show was $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
There was really no historical content worth noting.

 

[Midnightrider]

All I saw in that show was $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
There was really no historical content worth noting.

agreed, and i thought it was funny how they keep coming up with the odds of it be the true jesus.

 

[wxtornado]

since people wrote the bible, it is bound to contain inaccuracies, I wouldn't equate one ommission or inaccuracy with completely invalidating the bible

How do you discern which parts are accurate and which parts aren't?

 

[RadioPatrol]

The absolute Truth of the Bible has been discussed ad infinitum, even in this forum, and there are web sites devoted to both sides of the infallible Truth of the Bible. I believe the Bible is the word of God. He directed what was written. If you choose to, read these.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin.htm
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1995/102/

Will any evidence convince a non believer? No. Only the Holy Spirit changes the heart and opens the eyes to the Truth of God. Hope that happens for you. When it does, you'll go duh, why didn't I see this. It is so obvious. Until then, nothing any believer says will change your mind.

 

[wxtornado]

The absolute Truth of the Bible has been discussed ad infinitum, even in this forum, and there are web sites devoted to both sides of the infallible Truth of the Bible. I believe the Bible is the word of God. He directed what was written. If you choose to, read these.

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin.htm
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/panin2.htm
http://www.khouse.org/articles/1995/102/

Will any evidence convince a non believer? No. Only the Holy Spirit changes the heart and opens the eyes to the Truth of God. Hope that happens for you. When it does, you'll go duh, why didn't I see this. It is so obvious. Until then, nothing any believer says will change your mind.

Self-fulfilling prophecy. Patterns can be found in any text, and they already have.

Most of which are nonsense. First, similar "patterns" are easily found, if you go in specifically looking to find something. Take the case of McCormack, about the same time as Panin, looking for the same thing, found entirely different patterns in the same identical text.

http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/mccormack.html


Second, if you apply the same criteria to different written text, you will get similar results. The same criteria has been applied successfully to Poe, and to Moby Dick and to other books.


In fact one of the web sites will send you the code to a small C program that you can compile and run on any text and get the same results from other books, using Panin's criteria.


http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/panin.html


Also, did you know that Panin made up some of his stuff, or reworked the text of the bible to make it work?


http://cs.anu.edu.au/~bdm/dilugim/panin_mark.html

 

[forever jewel]

See, I don't see where that "tears at the heart of Christianity" at all. The body is merely a vessel for the spirit right? Why would it make any difference if his actual physical body remained? And why not continue with the scientific research? Why are Christians so bent about doing any type of scientific study?

According to Christianity, Jesus' ascention into heaven is the miracle; that after rising from the dead, both his body and soul ascended into heaven. By doing so, he opened the gates of heaven and saved his followers from original sin. Without this ascention, the celebration of Easter would be highly skewed. That is the problem.

 

[forever jewel]

Although I would like to add that if this discovery were true, my beliefs would not change. That is why it is called faith.

 

[Dondi]

Although I would like to add that if this discovery were true, my beliefs would not change. That is why it is called faith.

Are you saying that if they did find the tomb of Jesus and proved it contained bone fragments and DNA of Christ, you would still believe in Christianity?

 

[2ndAmendment]

Are you saying that if they did find the tomb of Jesus and proved it contained bone fragments and DNA of Christ, you would still believe in Christianity?

So which DNA strands would you compare oh learned one? You might be able to prove that those in the boxes were relatives, nothing else. Don't see how that relates to Christianity. The tomb my Savior was in was open for use by another on the third day.

 

[Dondi]

So which DNA strands would you compare oh learned one? You might be able to prove that those in the boxes were relatives, nothing else. Don't see how that relates to Christianity. The tomb my Savior was in was open for use by another on the third day.

I do not assume that they could find the DNA of Christ. I was just bringing up the argument that if they could somehow prove that the DNA of Christ, how would that effect one's belief. I mean the implications would be enormous, wouldn't it? It would mean that Christ didn't rise from the dead, and if He didn't rise from the dead, then our faith is vain, as Paul said.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I do not assume that they could find the DNA of Christ. I was just bringing up the argument that if they could somehow prove that the DNA of Christ, how would that effect one's belief. I mean the implications would be enormous, wouldn't it? It would mean that Christ didn't rise from the dead, and if He didn't rise from the dead, then our faith is vain, as Paul said.

Yes. We would indeed be most pitiful of all mankind, but I have a risen Lord, a Savior for all time, a God eternal, and hope to be in His presence.

 

[brendar buhl]

I think what dondi is saying is what if it were proven that Jesus didn't rise from the dead. Or maybe he did rise from the dead and while he was ascending to the father Dick Cheney shot him mistaking him for some airborne fowl, and even though he rose from the dead once his resurrected body was a one shot deal so to speak.

 

[2ndAmendment]

I think what dondi is saying is what if it were proven that Jesus didn't rise from the dead. Or maybe he did rise from the dead and while he was ascending to the father Dick Cheney shot him mistaking him for some airborne fowl, and even though he rose from the dead once his resurrected body was a one shot deal so to speak.

And what if I was the richest person in the world and what if I knew you for real and what if I gave you a $1,000,000.00, what would you do? Same worthless speculation except I have a better chance of becoming the richest person in the world than Jesus has of not being who the Bible says He is.