Joe the Plumber...
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Wasn't McCain the first one to bring Joe into the debate?
and isn't he still running ads with Joe in them?
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This_person
Well-Known Member
No, Joe was.Wasn't McCain the first one to bring Joe into the debate?
He asked Obama a question, and Obama gave a well thought out, halfway decent answer.
Then.........
Obama added to his answer that his thought process was that Joe should not be worried about buying a potentially lucrative business because Obama's plan was to "spread the wealth around".
Then EVERYBODY brought Joe into the debate.
Cowgirl
Well-Known Member
Wait, Obama added to his answer to Joe or in the debate? I'm asking who was the first man in the debate to say the name Joe.
This_person
Well-Known Member
Misunderstood, sorry.
I'm about 90% sure it was McCain in the third presidential debate. I was thinking bigger picture (the debate among surrogates and the populace over who should be president)
Cowgirl
Well-Known Member
Ok. That's what I thought. Thanks.
Nanny Pam
************
I agree with Kain.
PLUS....if he ever does open his own business, he's a smacked ass if he doesn't name it.......
"Joe, the plumber's"
K
Kain99
Guest
I agree with Kain.
PLUS....if he ever does open his own business, he's a smacked ass if he doesn't name it.......
"Joe, the plumber's"
I sure do love you Nanny! Like minds
Lenny
Lovin' being Texican
So, is Joe the Plumber.....
...having an extramarital affair like John Edwards?
Joe needs a HYBRID!!! Made in Kenya.
...having an extramarital affair like John Edwards?
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Baja28
Obama destroyed America
I sure hope not. I also hope Joe isn't a fwaming fayg hiding $$ in his fweezer.
PsyOps
Pixelated
I was telling thatguy not to bother responding to you. I have my reasons. Don't take it personal.
PsyOps
Pixelated
I think Joe knows if his business has been ruined or not. Who are you to question that?
Close but not yet. We have some forms of socialism of which I am adamently against.
Leave the country? Now there's an idea. Maybe I could go to Germany. Nope.... socialist. How about France... nope. Guess I'll stay here and take my chances. Hope that doesn't disappoint you.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Wasn't McCain the first one to bring Joe into the debate?
That was after the media brought the whole story out.
PsyOps
Pixelated
B..b..b..but, it's Joe's fault.
Baja28
Obama destroyed America
Trust me, I take nothing on here personal. He's out of his league. He's just too stupid to know it.
He's out of his league. He's just too stupid to know it.
i'd rather not be in the same league as an ignorant bigot.
Baja28
Obama destroyed America
How old are you? 12?not at all.
i for one like and try to act respectful to people with diffrent opinions, as long as they are respectful that is.
backagain39
New Member
Where are you guys reading that joe the plumber lost a business???
He never had a business, he had a dream of buying the business that he worked for......and his latest statement that I can find, he is saying that under Obama the dream of that business is gone.......
He never had a business, he had a dream of buying the business that he worked for......and his latest statement that I can find, he is saying that under Obama the dream of that business is gone.......
chernmax
NOT Politically Correct!!
A private citizen ask Obama a question and Obama is exposed. Instead of Obama explaining what he meant, this happened instead. Let this be a warning to you others who question The One!!!
Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal Friday, October 24, 2008 8:41 PM By Randy Ludlow The Columbus Dispatch "State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.
The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.
Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.
Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.
It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.
Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.
Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as "desperate charges." "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said.
BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi.
"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.
Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.
Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.
On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.
Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.
The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said.
The LEADS system also can be used to check for warrants and criminal histories, but such checks would not be reflected on the records obtained by The Dispatch.
Sgt. Tim Campbell, a Toledo police spokesman, said he could not provide any information because the department only had learned of the State Highway Patrol inquiry today.
Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber Investigators trying to determine whether access was illegal Friday, October 24, 2008 8:41 PM By Randy Ludlow The Columbus Dispatch "State and local officials are investigating if state and law-enforcement computer systems were illegally accessed when they were tapped for personal information about "Joe the Plumber."
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher became part of the national political lexicon Oct. 15 when Republican presidential candidate John McCain mentioned him frequently during his final debate with Democrat Barack Obama.
The 34-year-old from the Toledo suburb of Holland is held out by McCain as an example of an American who would be harmed by Obama's tax proposals.
Public records requested by The Dispatch disclose that information on Wurzelbacher's driver's license or his sport-utility vehicle was pulled from the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles database three times shortly after the debate.
Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.
It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why. Direct access to driver's license and vehicle registration information from BMV computers is restricted to legitimate law enforcement and government business.
Paul Lindsay, Ohio spokesman for the McCain campaign, attempted to portray the inquiries as politically motivated. "It's outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama's allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question," he said.
Isaac Baker, Obama's Ohio spokesman, denounced Lindsay's statement as "desperate charges." "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated. If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully," he said.
BMV information through the office's Ohio Law Enforcement Gateway computer system was unauthorized, said spokeswoman Jennifer Brindisi.
"We're trying to pinpoint where it came from," she said. The investigation could become "criminal in nature," she said. Brindisi would not identify the account that pulled the information on Oct. 16.
Records show it was a "test account" assigned to the information technology section of the attorney general's office, said Department of Public Safety spokesman Thomas Hunter.
Brindisi later said investigators have confirmed that Wurzelbacher's information was not accessed within the attorney general's office. She declined to provide details. The office's test accounts are shared with and used by other law enforcement-related agencies, she said.
On Oct. 17, BMV information on Wurzelbacher was obtained through an account used by the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency in Cleveland, records show.
Mary Denihan, spokeswoman for the county agency, said the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services contacted the agency today and requested an investigation of the access to Wurzelbacher's information. Cuyahoga County court records do not show any child-support cases involving Wurzelbacher.
The State Highway Patrol, which administers the Law Enforcement Automated Data System in Ohio, asked Toledo police to explain why it pulled BMV information on Wurzelbacher within 48 hours of the debate, Hunter said.
The LEADS system also can be used to check for warrants and criminal histories, but such checks would not be reflected on the records obtained by The Dispatch.
Sgt. Tim Campbell, a Toledo police spokesman, said he could not provide any information because the department only had learned of the State Highway Patrol inquiry today.