Kindle Fire

vraiblonde

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You don't need to be "tied" to itunes other than having an itunes account which you already have. The first version of the ipad required that because they hadn't created all the cloud "stuff." As was said earlier it was a beta version, and if you are still using it no wonder you hate it. Attaching to a PC is no longer required, Ive never hooked up my ipad to my PC. I had to have mine replaced last week and all I did was hit the backup button on my old one, it went to the "cloud" and then signed in on the new one and all my stuff was there.

Doesn't matter, I'm not buying another Apple product. I've never loved anything "i" I've ever used. I remember I couldn't wait to get an iMac when they came out; it rapidly became a very expensive paperweight. iPod was a nightmare to deal with, as was iPhone. I can't tell you how much I freaking hate iTunes, with their constant "updating" and runaround. Then, because I'm retarded, I bought the iPad when it came out.

I'm done with Apple and their bull####. They're like an abusive boyfriend that keeps sweet talking me back - "I've changed, baby, really. See how great I look? All the other women love me and can't get enough. C'mon, give me another chance..."

No more.
 

ICit

Jam out with ur clam out
Doesn't matter, I'm not buying another Apple product. I've never loved anything "i" I've ever used. I remember I couldn't wait to get an iMac when they came out; it rapidly became a very expensive paperweight. iPod was a nightmare to deal with, as was iPhone. I can't tell you how much I freaking hate iTunes, with their constant "updating" and runaround. Then, because I'm retarded, I bought the iPad when it came out.

I'm done with Apple and their bull####. They're like an abusive boyfriend that keeps sweet talking me back - "I've changed, baby, really. See how great I look? All the other women love me and can't get enough. C'mon, give me another chance..."
No more.

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If I go with something other than Kindle, it won't be another iPad. I hate iPad. I hate Apple. Any time I've ever bought an Apple device it's been a PITA and I've always been sorry. Their products should stand alone and not require one to use another. I don't want to be tied into iTunes or i-anything; if I have to be monopolized by something like that I'd rather it be Amazon because they're not flighty like Apple and they offer more.

What do you think of Galaxy? I have the S4 phone and like it okay.

Oh, I wasn't asking to steer you toward a new iPad. Very few people do I try to convince that they should choose an iPad over other possibilities. I was asking because you sounded like you were on the fence about even getting something new, and not being able to use some Prime content seemed to be part of why you felt like you needed to get something new. So I was trying to figure out why you couldn't use that content (other than the Lending Library). Sometimes people aren't aware of stuff that they can do until someone points it out to them - e.g. watching Prime movies on their iPad.

Anyway, I think the Samsung phones are really good now. Starting with the Galaxy 3 they really stepped up their game, as is the case with a number of Android lines. For my own part, it's just not what I want and doesn't emphasize some of the things that matter most to me when it comes to a phone. But, again, that's a lot of subjective type stuff. I don't have a problem recommending the S4 for people, so long as they pick one up first and play with it a bit.

Do you like the size of the S4, as compared to something like the iPhone, e.g.? I know that a lot of people are liking the bigger phones now, but I'd hate having one of them (even the S4, and certainly bigger stuff like the Note). And almost everyone I know has an iPhone and most of them love it, in part, because it's small. I guess the question I'm getting at is do you like the S4 because of its size (in part) or in spite of its size?

I also like the newer HTC stuff. Unfortunately, Samsung has pretty much taken over the Android phone market and a number of good phones have been relegated to largely unknown status.


About iPad being tied to a computer / iTunes... it hasn't needed that tie for about 3 years. Yes, in the beginning there were some inconveniences with this new form factor - again, Apple was the first to make it work and they didn't have the whole thing as finely polished in the very beginning. But they got there pretty quickly and they were certainly better than the competition even then. You had to hook up to a computer to upgrade the OS, but at least you could upgrade if you wanted to - at that time, other competing products generally didn't even get the option to upgrade the OS, you were likely to be stuck with what it came with. Apple's always been ahead when it came to the ability and/or ease to upgrade old products, and continues to be today - a reality that's borne out by how many Apple devices are running the latest OS. They get incredible upgrade rates, far better than any of their competition.

Okay, I'm digressing some... but, to the point, as it is now you don't have to hook your iPad up to a computer for any reason do you? I mean, there are reasons why you might want to, but you shouldn't need to. You should be able to download updates (to the extent there are OS updates) over the air and backup to the cloud and install apps and content without using a computer.

Oh, and about the tied into thing - I'm not sure what you mean by that, could you elaborate a bit? If you mean the ability to get various content on the device, then Apple certainly doesn't close people in to the extent Amazon does. Apple allows competing content sellers onto their devices - e.g., you can use Kindle on it, you can use Nook on it, you can use various other media sources on it. Amazon is the one that generally doesn't like to do that (e.g. I don't think you can use Nook on an Amazon device?). And that difference goes along with the different revenue generation philosophies I referred to earlier. Apple - and Samsung and others - want to make the devices themselves as desirable as possible, so they let all kinds of stuff work on them and there are lots of ways to easily get content onto the devices. Amazon on the other hand doesn't make money from the devices, they want you to buy stuff from them as much as they can get you to do so. If you mean apps, then yeah, Apple (unless you jailbreak) only let's you load apps from the Apps Store, but the same is true of the Amazon devices as far as I'm aware. And the (Apple) App Store is at least as rich (in variety and quality and mix of free or paid stuff available) as Amazon's app store - and probably considerably richer.

Dang it, in responding to your points you made made me look like I was trying to sell you on something. :smile: I absolutely am not. I think, if you like the Kindle Fire, that's what you should buy. I start and end at the same place when it comes to these things - what feels right to you is what matters most. And I think the Kindle Fires are good stuff and Amazon is a good source of content (I probably buy half of my music from Amazon and a larger portion of my books).

:buddies:
 
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maybe a Surface :shrug:
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Microsoft's first attempt with the Surface was a huge fail. I hope they have better luck with their current attempt.

I liked the physical device, perhaps more than any other (non-iPad) tablet. It was pretty good quality. I think on the usage side the experience was a little clumsy and they went with that wide-screen aspect ratio that is less than ideal for the tablet form factor. I think companies have been underestimating the importance of that one detail.
 

GURPS

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Dang it, in responding to your points you made made me look like I was trying to sell you on something. :smile: I absolutely am not. I think, if you like the Kindle Fire, that's what you should buy. I start and end at the same place when it comes to these things - what feels right to you is what matters most. And I think the Kindle Fires are good stuff and Amazon is a good source of content (I probably buy half of my music from Amazon and a larger portion of my books).

:buddies:



Awesome analysis as always :buddies:
 
Hey vrai - I'd say this about the original iPad, not as a defense against what you were saying (about it needing to tie to a computer when it first came out) but as my own insight on the situation. This notion in itself might (justifiably even) give you reason to not be happy with Apple.

I think the original iPad was, in large part, a prototype released to the public for large scale testing and to allow Apple to get to market ahead of others and establish itself as the standard. I suspect Apple would take issue with that assertion, but it's what I've come to believe. It was polished enough to excite a lot of people and, for the most part, leave purchasers satisfied. But the iPad 2 is what they wanted to give the world, it just wasn't ready yet. And issues like what you refer to - still having to tie it to a computer - were part of it being a prototype of sorts. (Note: Even the 2 couldn't do over the air updates until several months entire its product life.)

I think it helps to think of the original iPad that way. It had its faults, but others didn't have those faults only because others didn't really even exist at that time. So, anyway, now you have a different reason to dislike Apple (and I'm not saying that sarcastically)... they foisted an incomplete product off on you. :smile:
 

vraiblonde

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Dang it, in responding to your points you made made me look like I was trying to sell you on something.

Not at all. I know you're an Apple guy, and I also know that you are knowledgeable about other gadgets as well, so I respect and appreciate your opinion.

Almost everything I buy comes from Amazon, so I'm okay with being engaged to them. I remember when iTunes first came out and Apple had some weird music format instead of MP3 or another standard. They've turned me off with those little tricks and make me leery of getting involved with them.

So iPad is absolutely out of the question. Kindle is in my face all the time because I shop on Amazon, plus I'm a Prime member and the benefits are attractive. BUT! I am willing to consider other tablets.
 
Not at all. I know you're an Apple guy, and I also know that you are knowledgeable about other gadgets as well, so I respect and appreciate your opinion.

Almost everything I buy comes from Amazon, so I'm okay with being engaged to them. I remember when iTunes first came out and Apple had some weird music format instead of MP3 or another standard. They've turned me off with those little tricks and make me leery of getting involved with them.

So iPad is absolutely out of the question. Kindle is in my face all the time because I shop on Amazon, plus I'm a Prime member and the benefits are attractive. BUT! I am willing to consider other tablets.

My gut tells me that a Kindle Fire is the right thing for you. Absent the Amazon Prime connection, it might be worth considering some other options and you might find a tablet that you like a bit more. But, they're likely going to be close enough that the Prime aspect and, likely, the better price points of the Kindle Fires, makes a Fire the right decision. After I had my original Kindle Fire for a month I'd have had a hard time recommending it, but the new ones are much improved and pricing is pretty good (for the reasons I referred to).

What size are we thinking about and are we (hopefully) talking about the HDX rather than the HD? Your eyes are probably good enough that you'd appreciate the difference in the screens, especially if you'd be reading a lot on it.
 

somdfunguy

not impressed
My gut tells me that a Kindle Fire is the right thing for you. Absent the Amazon Prime connection, it might be worth considering some other options and you might find a tablet that you like a bit more. But, they're likely going to be close enough that the Prime aspect and, likely, the better price points of the Kindle Fires, makes a Fire the right decision. After I had my original Kindle Fire for a month I'd have had a hard time recommending it, but the new ones are much improved and pricing is pretty good (for the reasons I referred to).

What size are we thinking about and are we (hopefully) talking about the HDX rather than the HD? Your eyes are probably good enough that you'd appreciate the difference in the screens, especially if you'd be reading a lot on it.

Have to agree with you there, the original Fire was terrible. The HDX looks nice.
 

somdfunguy

not impressed
Doesn't matter, I'm not buying another Apple product. I've never loved anything "i" I've ever used. I remember I couldn't wait to get an iMac when they came out; it rapidly became a very expensive paperweight. iPod was a nightmare to deal with, as was iPhone. I can't tell you how much I freaking hate iTunes, with their constant "updating" and runaround. Then, because I'm retarded, I bought the iPad when it came out.

I'm done with Apple and their bull####. They're like an abusive boyfriend that keeps sweet talking me back - "I've changed, baby, really. See how great I look? All the other women love me and can't get enough. C'mon, give me another chance..."

No more.


LOL, well you are a woman so changing your opinion so strongly does make sense. I'm sure in 4 years you will have an opinion on your new tablet that will be different than the one you post after you get it.
 

vraiblonde

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they foisted an incomplete product off on you. :smile:

But that's the way they think, as a company: it's all inclusive and proprietary and they don't really give a damn about compatibility. I spent a good bit of money with them, only to have them a short time later go, "Oh, wait, that sucks. From now on use this instead..." I'm okay with owning a ton of VHS tapes, then buying CDs, then streaming digital; but not within a year of introducing the technology. Get it at least semi-right the first time.

What size are we thinking about and are we (hopefully) talking about the HDX rather than the HD?

This one: Kindle Fire HDX 8.9" Tablet - Best Movie Tablet, Gaming Tablet, and Business Tablet

Probably 32GB, probably no ads, and probably wi-fi only.
 

GURPS

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I love Mavericks, are you having problems with it?

And going free with OS X upgrades was a pretty bold move. But, hey, they're making enough money to be able to afford it. :smile:

I have not upgraded my iMac or my Mac Mini yet

because of reported issues, people stated it was more like a beta


but that was 6 months ago, I need to circle back around and upgrade
 

HeavyChevy75

Podunk FL
I just got the Ipad Air a few weeks ago because of one specific app that I use for work and studying. The Safari Books online app. I had a Kindle Fire but that app was not able to be downloaded even though it is a Droid Platform. The Safari Books online app has all the reference books I use for the job. I probably will get a Kindle Fire HDX in time but at this moment can't justify it. I do watch NetFlix on my Ipad AIR.
 

Christy

b*tch rocket
I'm moving on from my 1st gen iPad and I think I've decided on a Kindle Fire. The main reason is for the Amazon Prime content and loaner books.

Any reviews?

I love Kindles. I have the HD and just bought another basic Kindle (for $49) because it is much easier on the eyes for reading.
 

vraiblonde

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I love my Kindle Fire! I suspect, as Tilted suggested, that I might like anything upgraded from the 1gen iPad, but the Kindle is really neat. Front and back cams, the display is incredible, and most of my apps from iPad are available. It's very similar to my Galaxy phone in terms of the keyboard, where stuff is, and how you get to it. An enormous improvement over the old iPad and its idiot keyboard that doesn't even backspace (freaking Apple, why do they do stupid things like that??). It's really light, less than half the weight of the iPad.

I don't see the purpose of the carousel, though. Probably something some nerd came up with just because he could, and nobody cared enough to tell him it was dumb.

The iPad is now a permanent stereo system (I have a bluetooth speaker that it connects to and plays my iTunes lists or one of the music services).

:yay:
 
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