Layoffs begin for tens of thousands of federal workers

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

Formed originally as result of the merging of lifeboat and revenue cutter services. My grandfather retired in July '67, the year that USCG was transferred from Treasury to DOT. He was, at that time a Rear Admiral and Commander Eastern Area and Commander Third Coast Guard District New York. His headquarters was on Governor's Island, NY, a base he assumed command and custody of, on USCG behalf, from the US Army.

Why wouldn't the Coast Guard be under the Department of the Navy? Looking for a little history here.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Pretty damn simple, if they have not reached their MRA then they would be early retirement or deferred retirement.

BTW, how long have you been a Fed empolyee?

Not a FED employee. Just know quite a bit about them and their retirement process/rules.

Finally.... FROM THE CHEAP SEATS!!!!!

Which is exactly why I said "OTHER THAN EARLY RETIREMENTS."

 

[stgislander]

For your consideration ...





Why wouldn't the Coast Guard be under the Department of the Navy? Looking for a little history here.

The Navy tried to keep the CG after WW1. In 1920, a House subcommittee tried to officially put the CG under the Navy. It failed. For one thing, the Navy wasn't interested in the CG missions. They just wanted ships and manpower.

 

[Bare-ya-cuda]

For your consideration ...





Why wouldn't the Coast Guard be under the Department of the Navy? Looking for a little history here.

USCG fall under the department of the navy in times of war or by order of the POTUS

 

[Gilligan]

For your consideration ...





Why wouldn't the Coast Guard be under the Department of the Navy? Looking for a little history here.

During time of war, it has been under, and part of the USN. Even during the Vietnam war, Squadron One USCG was transferred to Navy control.

 

[black dog]

The Navy tried to keep the CG after WW1. In 1920, a House subcommittee tried to officially put the CG under the Navy. It failed. For one thing, the Navy wasn't interested in the CG missions. They just wanted ships and manpower.

Really, who wants to power wash buoys, drive pilings, dredge channels?
Only so many cool kid jobs in the Coast Guard.

 

[black dog]

During time of war, it has been under, and part of the USN. Even during the Vietnam war, Squadron One USCG was transferred to Navy control.

I've over heard my father talk about those boys, We Own The Night.

 

[stgislander]

Really, who wants to power wash buoys, drive pilings, dredge channels?
Only so many cool kid jobs in the Coast Guard.

Best job I had in the CG. Itty bitty black boat, back by Friday.

 

[Sneakers]

Best job I had in the CG. Itty bitty black boat, back by Friday.

Went to the Boat Show at the Javits Center in NYC. One of the guys I was with was a Coastie. We were running late, so rather than take the train home (70 miles) we slept on his boat in NY Harbor.
It was different....

 

[black dog]

Best job I had in the CG. Itty bitty black boat, back by Friday.

Thats awesome, one of my ex's nephews has 3 sons that are my sons age. 2 are PJ's and the other is a Raider. Liv'in the dream'
Oh to be young again.

 

[WingsOfGold]

During time of war, it has been under, and part of the USN. Even during the Vietnam war, Squadron One USCG was transferred to Navy control.

First thing they did was remove the racing strips and repainted hulls. They kinda stood out in the Mekong

 

[BOP]

There are many with 30 years that aren't yet at MRA.

Were they? Given all the legal wrangling and calls for litigation I am unsure if even one of them has been dealt with.

I know a couple who are at, let's see; 18 years, but not retirement age, and another with 23 years, but same-ish age as the first one. Those are just 2 of a bunch I know. The Best Boss Ever is at 25 years, but she's not old enough. She came into the DoD right after she graduated college (as did the one with 23 years). So she's roughly 45, which means for normal retirement, she's got another 12 years to go, which puts her at, what, 37 years of service? Something like that.

Maybe we need an "up-or-out" policy like they do in the military. I'm gonna do some thinking on that, but at first blush, I like the idea. Of course it is my idea, but I've thought about it; surely other people have as well.

 

[GURPS]

Federal worker starts crying about losing her job, says she could get a job in the private sector but she just cares too much about her country.

The moment came as fired federal workers went to Senate offices to "tell their stories."

"We've never had an issue with our performance, and we're doing work for the American public."

"We're patriots. We love our country. That's why we're taking these jobs that don't pay us."

"I'm an accountant. I can get a private sector job tomorrow."

 

[CPUSA]

Just going to point out that Dystopian fiction as a genre is literally defined by having totalitarian forms of government. I wouldn't say that requires most people to "work for the government", in most of those stories but rather "the government controls all people and all forms of work". And of course any interesting story line is going to center around someone that is part of the system or fighting the system.

I.E. the Hunger games (for a more modern version). The story would be less interesting if it just focused on the subsistence farmers and villagers who weren't volunteered to go to the games even though they likely make up most of the people in that society.

So that's like saying "In every Disney cartoon I ever watched there's a young woman who sings to animals".

In real life not every young lady sings to animals and finds a prince, and working for the government doesn't result in totalitarianism/Dystopia.

You suffer from Asberger's Syndrome, don't you?

 

[Kyle]

You suffer from Asberger's Syndrome, don't you?

Like Cartman, it’s Assburgers.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Maybe we need an "up-or-out" policy like they do in the military. I'm gonna do some thinking on that, but at first blush, I like the idea. Of course it is my idea, but I've thought about it; surely other people have as well.

There really isn't much up in some job series unless someone wants to be a supervisor.

An engineer will get to the GS-13 level or equivalent as a journeyman, there are only a few spots that are not management the next pay grade up.

 

[BOP]

There really isn't much up in some job series unless someone wants to be a supervisor.

An engineer will get to the GS-13 level or equivalent as a journeyman, there are only a few spots that are not management the next pay grade up.

True enough. I got out as a 13/7. Or was it 13/9, I forget.

When my late wife went to work for the fed in the olden days, people started out as GS-nothings, basically, and worked their way up. She retired as a CSRS 11/5, I want to say. Which, for Philly, is pretty high up there.

In my whole career, I never worked with anyone less than GS-7, which is what I started out as, except it was an accelerated program (AIP). I never thought about it, but if not for that program, I probably would have retired as an 11 myself.

My thing is why do we have people hanging around for 25, 30, 40 years, or more in some cases, taking up space so that a new person can't come in and start their career? I mean, if you're at 20-ish years as an E-7, the military isn't going to let you just continue to camp out in a billet for another, say, 10 years if it looks like you have no chance of making Even Number.

I was topped out at 13; there was no way I was going to make 14, even if I wanted to, and I didn't. So, 20 years, they incentivized me with a buy-out, and away I went. Would I have gone without the incentive? Not unless it was corporate policy; e.g. "up-or-out."