Lone Survivor...

Larry Gude

Strung Out
...crap, crap, crap, crap, crap.

OK, enough with the nice stuff. In the pantheon of FAIL that is the world of 'book to movie', Lone Survivor earns a...Lone...place of dishonor. I'd read some reviews and some of the give and take over accuracy v. Hollywood, what changes matter, and to what degree changes that are simply artistic license and don't much change or alter the backbone of the movie, the point. So, I was prepared to set what I'd read aside and just enjoy the show.

Intermission; Leitersburg Cinema is THE bomb if you're ever in Hagerstown and want a movie. Leather recliners, pick your seats, will absolutely go back.

Back to the show. Lone Survivor takes THE central theme from the book, the tribal customs of the locals that is the LONE reason the central character was the LONE survivor, and completely makes up what happened, 180 degrees out and...OK. I am getting pissed just thinking about it. They may as well have had the Germans attacking Pearl Harbor.

If you read the book and want to see the movie, just pretend it's a different book the movie is supposed to be about. One you haven't read. Then, you can be in the same boat as the director and screen writers because, apparently, they ain't read it 'nither.

If you've read the "Saving Private Ryan" analogies about the battle scenes, the extreme realism, forget it. If 'Ryan' is WAY real, 'Lone' is a video game. It takes our four heros and may as well have them leap out of a plane from 5,000 feet, sans parachute, for their insertion, crash land through trees and into a boulder field and then walk off. If it shocked you that Dale Earnhardts crash didn't seem like it should have been fatal, our SEAL's go through a scene that would have killed them had they been IN a car, with airbags and full racing restraints. It's absurd, even more so, if you read the book. Plus, their facial injuries have this high school play quality to the makeup. They, essentially, turn these guys faces to hamburger and splash on a touch of watery ketchup and call it good. Decidedly un-Ryan.

Further, every gun shot is classic Peckinpah; the body shot exploding lava thing that no one who has ever hunted, let along shot someone in combat, has ever seen. Even one of the critical scenes, through gear and clothing, enormous surface explosions of lava. It got so ridiculous, I had to bite my tongue to keep from laughing.

They take a number of other key points from the book and turn them into 'grandeur' scenes, especially the death of Micheal Murphy who ran out into the open not once but, twice, in the real battle to try and get a communications signal to call for help, exposing himself, briefly, to enemy fire. The movie takes what was a quick sprint into an opening and turns it into this epic journey, Murphy moments ago shot up so bad he could barely crawl, running across a boulder field, in full view of ALL the bad guys, 200 or so instead of the 30 or so it really was, with machine guns, 100's of yards, in the open, and out on this gorgeous rock ledge that looks out over the valley below where, finally, 200 guys with machine guns, less than 100 yards away, get a bead on him.

The death of Matt Axeslon is worse. Matt, most likely, crawled off, mortally wounded and certainly died alone as the other two who perished were found, stripped and video taped. In the beginning, the bad guys hack off a villagers head for helping Americans. Hacking, like an axe but, with a knife even though everyone who is interested knows exactly how beheadings are done in the Muslim world, essentially sawing your head off once they slice through the soft part. Well, OK, they choose to not show a 'real' beheading, pulling the shot back and, fine, draw a line and call it 'too gruesome' but, don't then turn around and take a guy who we DO NOT know how he actually died and rest him up against a tree and give him the saddest, gasping, slowly fading death and, just as he's about gone, shoot him in the ####ing forehead with the ONLY gunshot of the entire movie that looks real.

The 'moral' scene where they debate what to do with the goat herders turns Marcus, the Lone Survivor, into the ONE guy who was adamantly against executing them, a contention he barely touches on in the book with even the slight suggestion some of the others were for killing them outraging family members back then. The movie makes the other three seriously consider it, one absolutely for it and the leader casting about for his decision. Awful. Just awful.

To end this mess, it ends with Luttrell, the Lone Survivor, dying in the OR and then coming back to life when, in reality, Marcus insisted in walking off the chopper when they got back.

They take some really good stuff and toss it out, the Afghan tribal custom, especially, and throw in a BUNCH of crap that not only did NOT happen is exactly opposite and other things made up for unnecessary shock value.

In any event, if you like action war movies with no thinking, no shades of gray, nothing more redeeming than fight for your buddy and wanna eat popcorn on the edge of your seat, enjoy. If you read the book, forget you did. If you're looking for a 'Ryan' or 'Blackhawk Down' type extreme realism war flick, forget that, too.

1 star because I can't give zero.
 

Foxhound

Finishing last
Okay, I'm really glad I did not read the book first. I found the movie to be very entertaining. Yes some of the scenes seemed outrageous, but I have read many accounts of such things happening time and time again in combat. Stacked odds being miraculously survived. If nothing else the movie has put the book on my must read list. Your review only adding to the need.

On a side note I saw an interview with Marc Luttrell , where he commented he did not feel he had to continue touring telling the story, as it was getting to the world. I guess I will now have to search out any opinions expressed by Luttrell as to how well he feels the movie expresses his message to the world.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
I would never see Lone Survivor because I find those movies way too harrowing. Give me a Platoon and I'm okay, but Black Hawk Down disturbed me for....well, it's disturbing me right now because I'm thinking about it. I don't like realistic movies based on something real, and I also don't like Hollywood playing fast and loose with real events.

In fact, I don't care for Hollywood's modern war movies at all. The Hurt Locker effing pissed me off to the point I wanted to go beat the #### out of everyone involved with that movie - note that it's pissing me off now just thinking about it. Even movies that aren't predominantly "war" movies but revolved around war piss me off: Stop-Loss, Brothers...grrrrr.....

It annoys the piss out of me to have these pampered elitist drug addicted freaks putting their distorted vision of military life and combat out for consumption by morons who don't know #### about it.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Okay, I'm really glad I did not read the book first. I found the movie to be very entertaining. Yes some of the scenes seemed outrageous, but I have read many accounts of such things happening time and time again in combat. Stacked odds being miraculously survived. If nothing else the movie has put the book on my must read list. Your review only adding to the need.

On a side note I saw an interview with Marc Luttrell , where he commented he did not feel he had to continue touring telling the story, as it was getting to the world. I guess I will now have to search out any opinions expressed by Luttrell as to how well he feels the movie expresses his message to the world.

The book gives a lot of 'the life and times' of Marcus. Makes it even tougher to accept his portrayal. Marcus, his life, growing up, he was always a sort of brawler, tough guy, did a little rodeo, not exactly an intellectual. It makes more sense to me that he would have been the one "Yeah, kill the goat herders so we can get the job done'.

Love to hear your impressions of the book!

:buddies:
 

Foxhound

Finishing last
Okay here is a link to the first Luttrell review I could find. I'm not saying your wrong Larry but Luttrell feels they kept to the spirit of his message.

How 'Lone Survivor' truth trumped Hollywood


I've never been in a combat situation but apparently Luttrell didn't feel they took too many liberties with the magic bullet or superman illusions.
 

Foxhound

Finishing last
The book gives a lot of 'the life and times' of Marcus. Makes it even tougher to accept his portrayal. Marcus, his life, growing up, he was always a sort of brawler, tough guy, did a little rodeo, not exactly an intellectual. It makes more sense to me that he would have been the one "Yeah, kill the goat herders so we can get the job done'.

Love to hear your impressions of the book!

:buddies:

Really looking forward to reading it.

By the way did you read, We were soldiers once, and young?
 

b23hqb

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
I'll wait, like I usually do, for the video to purchase. Read the book some years ago, and no doubt the movie will wander far off the real truth path.

It is also a deadly movie already:

Retired Tampa Police Department officer, Curtis Reeves, arrested in movie theater shooting at the Grove 16 & CineBistro Cobb Theater in Wesley Chapel before 'Lone Survivor' screening | wtsp.com

Followed the story all day yesterday.

happened in my neck of the woods yesterday, about 30 miles from my house. Is a five day cooling off period required about texting in theatres, or just shut off completely or leave the darned instruments, both guns and phones, in your car?

A retired cop, at that, was the shooter and killer.

Go figure.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
Patron
I've never been in a combat situation but apparently Luttrell didn't feel they took too many liberties with the magic bullet or superman illusions.

Or maybe he's just more tolerant about movies based on him for which he cashed a hell of a check.

Get Larry started on Gods and Generals. :lol: Unfortunately we watched that movie next to two young history buffs and I'm surprised all four of us weren't thrown out of the theater.
 

b23hqb

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
Really looking forward to reading it.

By the way did you read, We were soldiers once, and young?

Yup. Read it about three years or so before the Mel Gibson movie came out. Just re-read it again recently, along with the follow up book "We Are Soldiers Still" where the main characters (Moore, Joe Galloway), returned to VN, met and reminisced with their former enemies, and returned to the battlefield.

The second half of the battle that was not in the movie, when US brass decided to march the replacement battalions the five miles to LZ Albany, through unscouted territory, was the really insane, murderous part displaying the epitome of arrogance and idiocy of American leadership. The bloodletting of American troops those two days doubled the US losses suffered by Moore and his battalion at LZ X-ray.

As far as I'm concerned, Hollywood took liberties with that movie as well, especially the final day charge that did not occur. But it still portrayed the horrors and heroism they endured, both sides of the battle line.
 
Last edited:

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Okay here is a link to the first Luttrell review I could find. I'm not saying your wrong Larry but Luttrell feels they kept to the spirit of his message.

How 'Lone Survivor' truth trumped Hollywood


I've never been in a combat situation but apparently Luttrell didn't feel they took too many liberties with the magic bullet or superman illusions.

Marcus Luttrell, in his book, tells of how he was taken in by villagers, shot up, beat up, a mess and how, when the people he was fighting figured out where he was, they came knocking and the villagers told them 'No, you can't have him. You know our code. We will fight to the death to protect a guest in our house." So, there was NO fight. The guys fighting Luttrell, who'd killed his three team mates said "Fine, be that way." The villagers THEN sent someone with a hand written note to go find the Americans who then came and got him.

In the movie, the villagers get pretty much wiped out by the bad guys in order to get at Marcus in a fight that did NOT happen, first rescuing him from a near beheading, something else that did NOT happen.

In Marcus's book, he is pretty harsh on Muslims as animals and savages. And yet, the people who saved him were Muslims, too.

I'd say it is an enormous change in the spirit of what happened.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Or maybe he's just more tolerant about movies based on him for which he cashed a hell of a check.

Get Larry started on Gods and Generals. :lol: Unfortunately we watched that movie next to two young history buffs and I'm surprised all four of us weren't thrown out of the theater.

We did NOT watch that movie. We left, me running, tearing my hair out, at intermission.

I just do NOT get it, this incessant desire to take a perfectly good story, REAL stories, and alter them for a dramatic affect that WILL annoy people like me who want as factual as possible, because we have plenty of fiction, and will NOT matter, not even a little bit, to the casual fan.

There was NO reason to make the changes in Lone. NONE. NOT freaking one.
 

Toxick

Splat
Q. How can you tell when you're watching a movie with someone who read the book first?









A: They will tell you. They will ####ing tell you.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
As far as I'm concerned, Hollywood took liberties with that movie as well, especially the final day charge that did not occur. But it still portrayed the horrors and heroism they endured, both sides of the battle line.

Yup. And the argument is, do we want factual events to be told truthfully or not? People who know nothing about it, future opinions and arguments over this stuff and, potentially going to war, public support, opinion, should NEVER be shaded or colored by 'artistic license' that changes the facts, dramatically.

I can't take 5 minutes of 'Lincoln'.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Q. How can you tell when you're watching a movie with someone who read the book first?









A: They will tell you. They will ####ing tell you.

:lol:


You don't know the half of it!!! Old man sat next to me got up at the end, "Great movie, huh?" I reflexively just sneered. Plus, through the movie, it was awful not leaning over every 10 minutes to tell my girlfriend this or that about the movie. "That's the real Marcus right there sitting next to Walburg..."

"There is no way guns would go for a run along a freaking fence line, exposed like that..."

"That's New Mexico!"

"That is NOT how Axe died!!!"

:jameo:
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
Yup. Read it about three years or so before the Mel Gibson movie came out. Just re-read it again recently, along with the follow up book "We Are Soldiers Still" where the main characters (Moore, Joe Galloway), returned to VN, met and reminisced with their former enemies, and returned to the battlefield.

Both of those books are on my shelf. :buddies:

I read "Lone Survivor" immediately after it came out in paperback. After reading Larry's review, I might not bother to go see the film. That said, I've seen interviews with Axe's mother and Murphy's father..and both were quick to say the movie was an accurate portrayal of events and their sons..:shrug:
 
Last edited:

slotpuppy

Ass-hole
:lol:


You don't know the half of it!!! Old man sat next to me got up at the end, "Great movie, huh?" I reflexively just sneered. Plus, through the movie, it was awful not leaning over every 10 minutes to tell my girlfriend this or that about the movie. "That's the real Marcus right there sitting next to Walburg..."

"There is no way guns would go for a run along a freaking fence line, exposed like that..."

"That's New Mexico!"

"That is NOT how Axe died!!!"

:jameo:

Are you going to watch the Lego movie larry? I dont think it follows the book either.:coffee:
 
Top