Luke 1:48
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Starman3000m
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I regard Mary as "Blessed" and Highly Favored" of God as she was specifically chosen for the Divine purpose of giving birth to the Christ-Child. However, that is where her role ends. According to the New Testament, Mary and Joseph consummated their marriage together after Christ was born and Mary and Joseph proceeded to have natural born children as mentioned in the New Testament accounts.
While Mary can be referred to as "Blessed", she did not remain a perpetual virgin as claimed by the RCC nor was Mary "assumed" body and soul into Heaven to be elevated to a position of being "Mediatrix," "Advocate," "Helper," "Co-Redemptrix," "Queen of Heaven," "Spouse of the Holy Spirit (God's wife)," and a co-mediator alongside Jesus who is able to help souls get into Heaven, etc.
Additionally, the Holy Bible does not mention that idols in the likeness of Mary (or likeness of anything) are to be formed and revered as "mediators and helpers" nor are feasts to be established in their honor when all glory, praise and honor is to be given to Christ our Lord and Saviour and no one or nothing else.
The New Testament Jesus is NOT accompanied in Heaven by His "assumed" mother, Mary, where she supposedly reigns as Queen over all things, Mediatrix, Advocate, co-Redemptrix, spouse of the Holy Spirit, etc., nor are there "saints" and angels there to also hear and respond to prayers as claimed by the RCC.
BTW: The New Testament Jesus does not send people to a spiritual half-way house (purgatory) to be completely cleansed before they can enter Heaven as claimed by the RCC. Apparently the shed Blood of the "RCC Jesus" was not adequate enough to assure the promise of Eternal Life in the here and now and parishioners need to go through a type of spiritual punishment phase in the afterlife.
The RCC is preaching their "salvation" via another gospel and another Jesus and NOT the True New Testament Jesus.
You should have known this was coming - but, hey, you asked!
There Is only One Truth. (John 14:6)
onel0126
Bead mumbler
Yep, I knew it was coming and I'll ignore everything after the first paragraph (like you knew I would). At what point do you give up? Even the Bible says you should move on--and since the Bible says it you should listen.....
onel0126
Bead mumbler
Please provide the scriptural reference for these statements. And please, unless the terms consumated or procreated are used don't bother posting ANY scripture reference from the got answers website because then it is simply open to interpretation.
Starman3000m
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The Bible states that followers of the New Testament Jesus Christ are to warn others of false teachers, false ideologies, and of those who preach "another gospel" and "another Jesus."
Referring to Mary as "Blessed" is Biblical.
Referring to Mary as all the added titles and positions assigned to her by the Vatican is not Biblical and that's where "another gospel and another Jesus" are introduced by the RCC.
onel0126
Bead mumbler
Economy of Eccunemical Understanding
I am no Theologian, nor do i claim to be. I speak my heart and my soul as i see it, through my guide the Holy Ghost.
Weeks ago i was in church and a man was talking about his walk, his ministery and how he found salvation. He prayed for all the unsaved, as we should all. In his prayer he included Jehova witnesses, Islam believers, Mormons and CATHOLICS.
Catholics what?????? yeah, Catholics, I was dumbfounded. It occured to me that their is so much ignorance accross denominations, its mind boggling and down right silly.
What ever happened to stop looking at our differences and begin acknowledging and working on what matters; our similarities.
Mary was chosen by God to bare fruit to his only flesh form on earth. His only beloved son. That alone is worth recognition. Mary was chosen among ALL earth habitating creatures past and present. No one will ever be given this opportunity. Mary is special to whatever degree you wish to credit her.
Saints are very special folks who through the holy spirit have worked to nth degree of purification and while remaining sinner are superstars of the human condition in the walk toward to God through Christ. They are not above God, Christ, Holy Spirit, Arch Angels and Angels. They are just people that have earned their right to be remembered in the Church. If there were TOPP Cards on people of the church each Saint would have his own superstar card. Hey thas my idea dont steal it : ).
Catholics have not forgotten that salvation is through Christ and who their God is, they just complicate the process towards salvation slightly and that is their prerogative whether you agree to it or not.Being a true Catholic like any denomination is very hard.
The church is very reluctant to change and very traditional. Thruth be told, the disciple Peter was the first Pope and built Jesus's Church on the rock Jesus told him to build. Protestatism came about with Luther centurys later. So, the Catholic Church Precedes ANY protestant church. That is an irrevocable thruth. Catholisisim is riddled with dark times as any man made operated organization. We still need to respect Catholics even if their way of beneration is not our own.
God bless you.
I am no Theologian, nor do i claim to be. I speak my heart and my soul as i see it, through my guide the Holy Ghost.
Weeks ago i was in church and a man was talking about his walk, his ministery and how he found salvation. He prayed for all the unsaved, as we should all. In his prayer he included Jehova witnesses, Islam believers, Mormons and CATHOLICS.
Catholics what?????? yeah, Catholics, I was dumbfounded. It occured to me that their is so much ignorance accross denominations, its mind boggling and down right silly.
What ever happened to stop looking at our differences and begin acknowledging and working on what matters; our similarities.
Mary was chosen by God to bare fruit to his only flesh form on earth. His only beloved son. That alone is worth recognition. Mary was chosen among ALL earth habitating creatures past and present. No one will ever be given this opportunity. Mary is special to whatever degree you wish to credit her.
Saints are very special folks who through the holy spirit have worked to nth degree of purification and while remaining sinner are superstars of the human condition in the walk toward to God through Christ. They are not above God, Christ, Holy Spirit, Arch Angels and Angels. They are just people that have earned their right to be remembered in the Church. If there were TOPP Cards on people of the church each Saint would have his own superstar card. Hey thas my idea dont steal it : ).
Catholics have not forgotten that salvation is through Christ and who their God is, they just complicate the process towards salvation slightly and that is their prerogative whether you agree to it or not.Being a true Catholic like any denomination is very hard.
The church is very reluctant to change and very traditional. Thruth be told, the disciple Peter was the first Pope and built Jesus's Church on the rock Jesus told him to build. Protestatism came about with Luther centurys later. So, the Catholic Church Precedes ANY protestant church. That is an irrevocable thruth. Catholisisim is riddled with dark times as any man made operated organization. We still need to respect Catholics even if their way of beneration is not our own.
God bless you.
Starman3000m
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Consider us warned and move on.
Wise guy, eh?Sure, I could move on but the TRUTH would always still be the same.
Yes, you have been warned.
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If the spelling of truth is of consideratin, i consider myself unscathed. Frankly, i am happy to generate the above rhetoric with little to no check. Not bad all things considered.
Insignificant obfuscations trouble the meek.
Frankly, i think its unbecoming and troublesome of any self proclaimed "Christian" to bring to the table differences among Christians. Furthermore, It is beyond my rational comprehension that anybody would engage in Catholic Bashing while still thinking themselves to be righteous. And while you may think yourself as not "bashing' per-se, you are not helping in the search for common ground.
Finally, worrisome is the fact that here are a HUGE number of Unsaved out there that think that they are ok just because they attempt to follow the 10 commandments and are generally speaking ….GOOD.
Oh and Eccunemical is Ecunemical.
Insignificant obfuscations trouble the meek.
Frankly, i think its unbecoming and troublesome of any self proclaimed "Christian" to bring to the table differences among Christians. Furthermore, It is beyond my rational comprehension that anybody would engage in Catholic Bashing while still thinking themselves to be righteous. And while you may think yourself as not "bashing' per-se, you are not helping in the search for common ground.
Finally, worrisome is the fact that here are a HUGE number of Unsaved out there that think that they are ok just because they attempt to follow the 10 commandments and are generally speaking ….GOOD.
Oh and Eccunemical is Ecunemical.
PsyOps
Pixelated
Complicating God’s plan is the same as changing it. This is what the debate is all about. Man has no authority to change God's plan. You can’t admit this is what is happening in one breath and excuse it in the next.
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PsyOps
Pixelated
There is only ONE path to salvation; so what sort of common ground between our differences is there to had here?