Man w/down syndrome dies
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So why didn't the "aide" call his mother? Or better yet, buy him another ticket for the movie?
Chris0nllyn
Well-Known Member
I believe it was the last showing, and they were closing.
If you read the original post you will see where the theater employee said he either had to leave or buy another ticket. Was probably NOT the last showing!
Chris0nllyn
Well-Known Member
Ok. I've read other articles that don't say that.
Who cares if it was last show or not? This guy was suffocated to death.
kwillia
n/a
You seem to be implying the police purposely suffocated him and I don't see anything that lets me draw this conclusion... hell it could have been a piece of popcorn or gum that he inhaled down his windpipe. How are you able to blame police for his suffocation without any information other than "he suffocated"...
Chris0nllyn
Well-Known Member
You seem to be implying the police purposely suffocated him and I don't see anything that lets me draw this conclusion... hell it could have been a piece of popcorn or gum that he inhaled down his windpipe. How are you able to blame police for his suffocation without any information other than "he suffocated"...
How, exactly am I implying the Police purposely suffocated him?
All we know is that his death was ruled a homicide via suffocation. That didn't happen until the police removed him from the theater. Gum, or popcorn stuck in your throat is not a homicide.
There's such thing as positional asphyxia. That's when someone's position inhibits them from breathing. This can, and has, happened when police restrain a person in a face down position.
Bay_Kat
Tropical
Reading the article, it took 3 pairs of handcuffs to restrain him, which leads me to believe this guy was pretty big. He was also kicking the police and fighting back, which leads me to believe it took more than one officer to subdue him.
I guess now the police should just take their lickings and not try to subdue someone that is threatening to do them bodily harm or even kill them.
I would call this an unfortunate accident. Sad story, but I really doubt the police were trying to kill the guy.
Chris0nllyn
Well-Known Member
Again, no one is saying the police were trying to kill him!
JoeRider
Federalist Live Forever
You seem to be implying the police purposely suffocated him and I don't see anything that lets me draw this conclusion... hell it could have been a piece of popcorn or gum that he inhaled down his windpipe. How are you able to blame police for his suffocation without any information other than "he suffocated"...
Ban Popcorn!
Pooh31
New Member
This makes me sick. I know people with Downs have extra ordinary strength. My sister has Downs and she doesn't know her own strength and hurt me a couple times. I think the aide should have stepped in and try to defuse the situation and maybe cops should be given training on how to deal with this population. I think to much forced was used and it should have not been. Makes me think about the aide and why she didn't step in. Hell just buy another ticket and watch the movie again. I have had to do stuff with my sister numerous times because she didn't want to leave some place. My prayers go out to the family.
Bay_Kat
Tropical
I agree with everything you say, but when a cop feels like their life is threatened they will use whatever force they feel is necessary to subdue the person that is threatening them. You are right, the aide was not doing their job correctly and could possibly have diffused the situation.
Bay_Kat
Tropical
Going by the article, they needed 3 pairs of cuffs, the leads me to believe this was a really big guy.
itsrequired
New Member
You have a track record of saying the police did something wrong and are constantly proven a liar or someone who mis-represents the truth when it come to police matters. In this case, you are being passive in your approach because you know you are wrong. You want to throw it out there in hopes that people will somehow blame the police, but once again it doesn't work.
Once again, I'm sorry they wouldn't hire you, but give it a rest.
itsrequired
New Member
Police over re-acted to what?
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letmetellyou
Guest
Are you an idiot? Don't answer that I know already. YOU POSTED the article which said the employees told them to purchase another ticket!!!
Of course this is a sad event, but sometimes things get out of control with people, mental issues or not. In the article YOU posted, it said the guy kicked and fought with police. They used three sets of handcuffs to restrain him. Lets look at that. Did they use three sets of handcuffs because they wanted to punish him, or is it more comfortable for a large guy to have three sets on instead of one?
Q l
There are so many unanswered questions.
Because of Thing1, I have some knowledge of these kinds of situations. The article doesn't say if the aide works for an agency or not. Agencies which deliver services to folks with developmental disabilities in the state of MD are very well regulated. The aide should have been qualified and trained to handle situations which could have arisen while assisting Ethan. I certainly hope she/he was trained properly.
I don't understand why, at the very least, the aide didn't contact the parents to help out - and a very simple solution would have been to just buy another ticket!
I'll have to keep an eye on the story, would be interested in seeing what the outcome is. I find it very difficult to believe the police would be at fault for using undue force. I also know for a fact that some people with developmental disorders (especially large people) can be extremely strong & become very unmanageable when they in situations which cause them to be upset.
Also, just as an aside. People with "mental issues" have a psychiatric disorder. They could be bi-polar, have depression, have schizophrenia, be severely OCD, or even have a Narcissistic personality disorder, etc. A psychiatric disorder is NOT the same thing as a developmental/intellectual disorder.
A person with Downs Syndrome (a developmental disorder) may or may not even have a lor or extremely low ("retarded") IQ. This varies from person to person. An intellectual disorder could be caused by a brain injury - which may or may not mean a person's IQ level is very low, or even in the retarded range. These things vary from person to person & disorder.
A person with a developmental disorder could also have a psychiatric disorder, but they are not the same.
There are so many unanswered questions.
Because of Thing1, I have some knowledge of these kinds of situations. The article doesn't say if the aide works for an agency or not. Agencies which deliver services to folks with developmental disabilities in the state of MD are very well regulated. The aide should have been qualified and trained to handle situations which could have arisen while assisting Ethan. I certainly hope she/he was trained properly.
I don't understand why, at the very least, the aide didn't contact the parents to help out - and a very simple solution would have been to just buy another ticket!
I'll have to keep an eye on the story, would be interested in seeing what the outcome is. I find it very difficult to believe the police would be at fault for using undue force. I also know for a fact that some people with developmental disorders (especially large people) can be extremely strong & become very unmanageable when they in situations which cause them to be upset.
Also, just as an aside. People with "mental issues" have a psychiatric disorder. They could be bi-polar, have depression, have schizophrenia, be severely OCD, or even have a Narcissistic personality disorder, etc. A psychiatric disorder is NOT the same thing as a developmental/intellectual disorder.
A person with Downs Syndrome (a developmental disorder) may or may not even have a lor or extremely low ("retarded") IQ. This varies from person to person. An intellectual disorder could be caused by a brain injury - which may or may not mean a person's IQ level is very low, or even in the retarded range. These things vary from person to person & disorder.
A person with a developmental disorder could also have a psychiatric disorder, but they are not the same.
This article includes a statement from the Executive Director of the Arc of Maryland, but that doesn't state that she has any more knowledge than anyone else does regarding the facts of the case.
I think there are more than 2 sides to this story.
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letmetellyou
Guest
You are saying the police over reacted, but all we know of what the police did was to handcuff, (humanley in that they used three pair to make it as comfortable as possible) a person who was kicking and hitting them. How is that over reacting?
