DannyMotorcycle
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bullying and not treating these assault crimes as crimes pisses me off.
Margaret Brent School Out of Control?
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Midnightrider
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yep, some of those kids turn into bullies, others are obvious targets who fall right into being bullied because they get the same treatment from their parents.
Not being a bully AND learning how to deal with bullies starts at home.
OldHillcrestGuy
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EXACTLY! My grandson is in his first year at Margaret Brent, came from Lettie Dent never in trouble just typical 12 year old kid. He is not nerdy, plays organized baseball and basketball as alot of friends in school from many years of playing with different kids. His parents have been called numerous times this school year about incidents that have happened. It has been determined not once was he the aggressor, once he got punched in the nose and got a bloody nose. He has been told by his parents to defend himself and that is what he has done (and very well this past week).
It was in the classroom and he was bullied by at least 4 kids when he entered the classroom, they pushed and were shoving him and he fought back. Teacher saw it all and broke it up and the all the bullies were sent to the office, he was not. .In previous incidents his Dad asked what discipline has been taken, the Principal says she can't reveal, that they have taken internal action, pressing for more info she started he-hawing around. Well he revealed to her that he was a LEO and what has been happening to his son and several other kids that he knows about is at the minimum is second degree assault and that maybe the parents of these kids being bullied should file a police report. Well her all attitude changed then. The schools don't want all this bullying to be known to the public and their hands are somewhat tied by some Federal procedures and guidelines. Does not look good for schools systems to be expelling kids, so they slap hands and give after school detention for a couple days.Yes as Danny the Motorcycle dude also mentioned in his post parents need to get involved and that seems to be exactly what's happening to a large group of Margaret Brent parents from several posts Ive seen on Facebook.
Everyone have a nice cool weekend I'm out of here.
black dog
Free America
Dent had problems when a woman ( no names mentioned ) was principal that just avoided any conversation at all costs with bullying in her school. She was transferred at the end of my sons 5th grade, and a man replaced her that was a Reserve Marine, the shame is he got deployed about halfway through the school year.��
We had a kid that rode the same bus as my son show his junk to a pair of sisters that was caught on film one day while he was in the 5th grade.
All kids were questioned by educators in a group and alone before any parent had knowledge of the incident.
I left work yet again the next morning to have a chat with the woman principal, I was told the Sheriff's Dept was not involved. I answered, they will be shortly and left.
30 min later I'm sitting with a detective and he states, we just had a meeting with the school board last week about them not informing LE when problems like this happen.
That child was moved to his grandparents home in DC to finish out school.
I was told later by the detective that this child and his two siblings were being raised by a single mom that also worked for the county school system.
Edit... You do your kids a huge disservice if you don't teach them how to defend themselves. I feel sorry for the boys that touch a boob of any other the girls my son took Karate with, they will hurt you... And the same with all the kids at Steve Tolsons, you can push them across the lunchroom or the playground,,,,, until you hit their limit,, and you will see a skilled spider monkey become unleashed.
Money well spent,, Thanks Steve..
We had a kid that rode the same bus as my son show his junk to a pair of sisters that was caught on film one day while he was in the 5th grade.
All kids were questioned by educators in a group and alone before any parent had knowledge of the incident.
I left work yet again the next morning to have a chat with the woman principal, I was told the Sheriff's Dept was not involved. I answered, they will be shortly and left.
30 min later I'm sitting with a detective and he states, we just had a meeting with the school board last week about them not informing LE when problems like this happen.
That child was moved to his grandparents home in DC to finish out school.
I was told later by the detective that this child and his two siblings were being raised by a single mom that also worked for the county school system.
Edit... You do your kids a huge disservice if you don't teach them how to defend themselves. I feel sorry for the boys that touch a boob of any other the girls my son took Karate with, they will hurt you... And the same with all the kids at Steve Tolsons, you can push them across the lunchroom or the playground,,,,, until you hit their limit,, and you will see a skilled spider monkey become unleashed.
Money well spent,, Thanks Steve..
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mitzi
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EXACTLY! My grandson is in his first year at Margaret Brent, came from Lettie Dent never in trouble just typical 12 year old kid. He is not nerdy, plays organized baseball and basketball as alot of friends in school from many years of playing with different kids. His parents have been called numerous times this school year about incidents that have happened. It has been determined not once was he the aggressor, once he got punched in the nose and got a bloody nose. He has been told by his parents to defend himself and that is what he has done (and very well this past week).
Yes as Danny the Motorcycle dude also mentioned in his post parents need to get involved and that seems to be exactly what's happening to a large group of Margaret Brent parents from several posts Ive seen on Facebook.
Everyone have a nice cool weekend I'm out of here.
I had a similar experience over 20 years ago with my daughter in high school. One girl was just relentless starting trouble with her. Everyday, it never stopped. I talked to the mother who brushed it off as teenage stuff, but it was way past that. I went to the school several times and nothing seemed to work. I finally told the counselor Ii had enough was telling my daughter to defend herself. She was not a fighter. I gave her tips on what to do when it happened again. Sure enough, 2 days later I got the call at work to come get her. The girl punched her in the head from behind and daughter did exactly what I told her. It quieted down for awhile until the girl jumped her getting off the school bus. That was enough for me and filed a report with the Sheriff's Dept. The bus driver said she would be a witness. The girl was charged with 2nd degree assault. The court put her on probation and one of the stipulations was to have no contact with my daughter. A few weeks later, going down the hall at school, the girl kicked her in the back going down the hallway. Filed another report and the girl has to go before Master Harris. He violated her probation and sent her to Cheltenham for 30 days. Then the parents started threatening me and my husband. It was a bad time dealing with that crazy family. Some never learn, to this day I see the girl's (who is 40 now) mug shot plastered on the baynet and smnews arrested for assault charges.
Good for you. I'm glad you stood up for your daughter. Actions without consequences leads to more of the same actions. I guess the bully learned those things from home, since her parents resorted to the same behavior.
black dog
Free America
My divorce was over seen by Master Harris, he was fair and he doesn't ####ing play.
mitzi
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I just remembered something I hadn't even thought about in years. At the hearing, the girl's father came in half drunk (9 am) with his shirt on wrong side out and the sister girl in booty shorts. He asked if he could speak to Master Harris and went on about he had served in Viet Nam, etc. Master Harris told him to sit down that wasn't relevant to what we were there for. We were sitting towards the back and one of the deputies was close to us. He was laughing. When they were leaving he said he wanted to make the guy wasn't driving and followed them out the door. I swear, it was a 3 ring circus with these people..
black dog
Free America
I get it,,, I represented myself with my divorce, my ex hired an attorney from Calvert Co and more than once Master Harris told her " I don't know how you all to it in Calvert Co but WE Don't do that in St Mary's Co. I'm certainly not saying he looked out for me, but he made sure I wasn't getting bulldozed when I gave up being the custodial parent and moved to Indiana... He's a good man and a very fair Master for the county.
mitzi
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Yes, I thought he was very fair. Also, Judge Stamn (spelling?) was the Juvenile State's Attorney at the time. He was great and didn't play around either. The first call I made when the deputy came over, he acted like it was the run of the mill teenage girls arguing (which I can understand). After he went to their house and talked to them, he came back with a completely different attitude. He saw what we were dealing with. I haven't thought about this for ages, this thread brought it all back. I think my point was, you can't wait on the school to handle it. After several attempts, a report needs to be filed with the Sheriff's Office.
Often enough, crazy kids are that way because they come from crazy families. In some cases it's the parents that should get 30 days in lockup.
mitzi
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Exactly. The girl has a daughter that must be over 18 now. Probably the circle has continued.
QFT
My dad grew up in a tough neighborhood - well the HS he went to was in a tough neighborhood. He never took us to a class or taught us a martial art to defend ourselves against bullies.
We were told to follow the rules. However when my parents were summoned to the school to meet with the principal because it was alleged I beat the snot out of another kid, my father didn't jump to conclusions, he listened to my side of the story, as well as a few witnesses and then told the principal that while I had knocked the #### out of the kid, and used the weapon alleged, it wasa only because I had been attacked with said weapon, and I was merely defending myself. The best part of the argument was the "weapon" in question never left the other child's hand.
On hearing that the principal gave me a stern talk about how dangerous my actions were, that I could have seriously injured the other child, BUT seeing as how he initiated the assault, there would be no punishment.
Everybody walked away happy. I think even the parents of the kid who I beat senseless.
Nobody encouraged me, nobody told me, it was more or less understood. I never took the first swing or in anyway initiated a fight my entire time in school.
Let's just say, I knew how to end them quickly. Didn't mean verbal abuse didn't continue, but by the time I was n 10th grade, there was nobody who wanted to provoke me.
Today, I'd be in jail, I would have been tossed out of school. In trying to reduce violence, we have only emboldened the bully as they don't care if they get tossed, it just makes it all the sweeter knowing they are taking the victim with them.
Read the article and it reminds me of my high school. I went to Thomas Stone during the mid-90's. It was a decent school. Good teachers. Good sports. It was about the time that these makeshift "gangs" started to pop up in the area. And it was either my sophomore or junior year where we were called to the cafeteria for an assembly during the first week of school. And the new principle (I can't remember his name) called about a dozen kids up in front of the group. He introduced them by saying these were the kids who couldn't control themselves in school, were disruptive, rude, etc. Essentially he called them everything short of drug dealers, criminals, gang members, worthless POS's - things that probably would've crossed the line even then.
None the less, he went on to say that several of them were being removed from the "general population" in order for those of us who were there to learn wouldn't be distracted. I don't remember specifics, but I believe some were removed from school and some others were "rerouted". All I remember was that some "bad" kids weren't there anymore and it was honestly a relief. I wish I could remember the guys name. He was a great principle. He took no sh!t and didn't want to hear it from problem kids. Short fuse with him and you knew as a student that you didn't want to end up in his office.
On a bigger level here - there are two professions that are continuing to suffer from this PC culture and have had their ability to work taken from them: 1) teachers and 2) police officers.
The careers are quickly becoming not worth it. Police can't police. Every interaction creates more paperwork for them. Bad guys have more rights then they do. Every action is second guessed. They carry such little respect in many areas that they are apprehensive to do basic work. It's sad.
Teachers are continually asked to take on more responsibilities (more kids, more money from their own pocket, etc.) Parents are the reason many teachers get out. Hell, my mom taught for 35 years - many in Chuck County - and got out because of the parents. Salaries are low and the debt from mandated college degrees are extensive. The job is not worth it and many people are avoiding the career or getting out. This is leaving less teachers and less talented teachers. Administration is more concerned with politics and PC then it is in supporting their staff and schools and doing what is best for the most. This makes the school environment worse.
It's only going to get worse in both professions IMO .................
Was his name Murrell? Had always heard good things about him.
Yep. That's it. He was a good one.
Misfit
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I’ve turned my life around
I take it you were part of the lineup? If so, we probably know each other
