Marine sings answer to Dixie Chicks hit
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The soldiers have no say where they are sent...they are heroes, because they know the sacrifice yet are willing to pay the price, whether right or wrong.
The politicians who push the war are the question because many of them have at best, with major exceptions, no personal involvement with what they have wrought.
Yes, you can support the men and women who go...but it is our rights that they fight for that allows us to question the motives of those who send them. In fact, they demand it.
The enemy of every soldier is war itself.
foodcritic
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I still believe that going on TV and spewing hate and malicious speech towards our leadership (i.e. the president and Congress) in the end hurt the troops whether we mean to or not.
You made a good point about politicians. But utilmately when need to look to ourselves for that mess. The american people need to use their right to vote more and vote in men and women who have had military experience. It should be one of the main factors of being in Congress or the presidency. I really don't like McCain but I think for that reason only he should be president.
CraneTaker77
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I suppose in a way you can back the troops, but not want the war. My best friend just left for Afganistan for his first tour of duty. And I have another friend who's came back from his second tour of duty in the Marines. I support the troops 100% but don't necessarily agree with the war. My thoughts and prayers are with them everday. There were other means of taking care of things, other than storming the country, other methods that could have been utilized. The use of premptive strike works well, but sometimes doesn't work in our favor. The funny thing is during WW II when Pearl Harbor was bombed, it was a different time back then. No one really dissagreed with the war. Everyone believed it was the right thing. Iraq is sadly becoming to look more and more like Vietnam, not knowing who your enemy is because they blend in with the civilians, the person waving the U.S. flag at you, could be the person bombing you that night while you sleep. Today's battles aren't like the ones we fought during the Great Wars. Back then you knew who your enemy was, and in a sense there was an order to it. Unlike today. I can't stand people who protest and call the soldiers baby killers, and murderers like they did during Nam. A soldier was doing what he/she had to do, whether they wanted to or not.
Larry Gude
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I don't support...
...the 'war' at all yet support the troops 100%. I want them to be able to do their damn jobs and kill and destroy the enemy and enough with the social worker, urban renewal horse#### faux 'war'. Defeat the enemy and the society will rebuild itself with the help of people who wear hardhats instead of having to wear helmets. You don't rebuild a house while it is still on fire. At least you ought not. Makes the job harder and longer and more dangerous than it need be.
...the 'war' at all yet support the troops 100%. I want them to be able to do their damn jobs and kill and destroy the enemy and enough with the social worker, urban renewal horse#### faux 'war'. Defeat the enemy and the society will rebuild itself with the help of people who wear hardhats instead of having to wear helmets. You don't rebuild a house while it is still on fire. At least you ought not. Makes the job harder and longer and more dangerous than it need be.
Cowgirl
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I don't think that "spewing hate and malicious speech towards our leadership" is what hurts the troops. What hurts is our indifference towards them when they do come home. They want to know that they "fit" back in a protected society like ours. They don't want benefits or rewards, they just want to be acknowledged that they have been through a bad period which many of us have not been through, and that they are the same persons who stepped on that road and somehow have come back.
When I came home from Nam , I had already heard about the tales of mistreatment of veterans when they returned. I had heard about the "babykiller" labels, ad nauseum. I was prepared for the worst.
What I wasn't prepared for was the indifference and the rejection from "friends". The thing that saved me was my family and the friends I had made in the service. It took me some time to realize that was all what I needed to get back on track.
Unless you were there, you have no idea what it is like. To explain to you, would be pointless, because, there is no way to give you a vivid description what terror and ultimate exhilaration in surviving is. Hollywood cannot give it to you , because they can yell"cut" and suddenly everyone is alive again. When you yell "cut" in a real action, everyone who has the misfortune to be dead (unless it is your enemy) remains dead.
I used to have a bumper sticker on my car which read"When you celebrate freedom, remember a veteran ". I cannot tell you how many obscenities I received for that. Well, I removed said sticker, thinking"well I asked for that".
People don't like to be reminded that others pay the price for the freedoms they feel they are entitled to.
Sorry for the rambling post, but just wanted to have my say.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
No, please, My thanks are to you and others who are not indifferent. Stay as you are and remember that some of your fellow citizens are suffering and in greater need than I shall ever be. As I said, I am back on track. There are many from past wars who are still seeking the way home.
foodcritic
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OK this may take this post off the subject but I feel that children are not taught in school what price our freedom has come at. I think if they are taught, starting with the American Revolution, what sacrifice ordinary citizens have made through out the centuries then there would be more respect for our military today. But the schools have become so liberal that they are not even teaching correct history let alone what these brave men and women have done.
Cowgirl
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What are they teaching that's incorrect?
CraneTaker77
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Today's history classes only teach a brief preview of american history. History was my favorite class in school, I couldn't get enough of it. I graduated in 05'. I took AP U.S. and World history. I had friends in the standard classes, and we would talk about homework and stuff. Turns out, while I was learning about the revolutionary war, and the declaration of independence...and the decisive turning points in our history, they were just learning the dates and a little reasoning behind it. They just don't understand why we need to learn about our past. I do everyday, I'm still a history buff, War being my best subject and a avid reader. It's not that the schools have become liberal, it's just that the kids thinking that if they take a standard class, then they're going to get through easy which they do, and don't want to learn the extras in a more advanced class.
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foodcritic
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Maybe I should rephrase that and say they are not teaching true history. Here is an excerpt from an article by James Dobson from April of 1998.
Educrats also have a history of interjecting politically correct ideology into everything within reach, especially where children are concerned. Consider, for example, the National Standards for United States History*, released in 1994, which reeked with liberal bias. Here are some of their outrageous deletions and distortions:
George Washington makes only a fleeting appearance and is never described as the first president of the United States.41
The first meeting of the U.S. Congress is not considered noteworthy.42
Indeed, the standards make only one passing mention of the United States Congress. 43
There is no reference to Robert E. Lee,44 Alexander Graham Bell,45 Thomas Edison,46 Albert Einstein,47 Jonas Salk,48 or the Wright Brothers.49
These and many other omissions are indicative of a poorly concealed effort to de-emphasize the historic concepts which American children have been taught for two centuries. Likewise, the “goodness” of America, of which DeTocqueville spoke, is given short shrift. The unprecedented freedoms granted to our citizens are all but ignored.
CraneTaker77
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Actually I learned about all of that in my history classes. Even Robert E. Lee. If they went into great detail about Robert E. Lee guranteed you would have someone on your hands saying they found it offensive and racial. It also depends on your local school board as well.
theArtistFormerlyKnownAs
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Wow...you, vrai, and I think one other person...are completely ignorant on this subject (Not sure about other life topics...)
I honestly feel no need to justify my allegation to such a close-minded bunch.
I would just like to thank people like Mateo for serving our country and protecting our freedoms. Yes, it IS possible to support our troops in that they will succeed in the tasks given to them, but yet not support the war that our government has put us into.
To be honest, the public school history classes weren't great though..I have to admit that. I can't REMEMBER learning any major civil war stuff, but history was also definitely NOT my strong suit. :shrug: Trying to say that those topics were ALL not covered though is just silly.
nhboy
Ubi bene ibi patria
Please! Don't quote Dobson. He's the one that wants you to beat your kids and keep the wives subjugated.
What is wrong with you teaching them what is right or wrong ? If you depend on teachers, realize that many of these are the product of feel good policies that just get the student from point A to point B with the least amount of resistance without educating said student properly.
When I was a boy, I was sent to a school in Leonardtown (Leonard Hall). It was then run by the Xaverian Brothers and had boarders as well as local kids. The schooling was strict, but the discipline was needed to foster in young minds a healthy respect for the books. I discovered the wonders of the library and spent a lot of free time perusing the books as well as magazines and newspapers. The military school training was an added bonus and set me well on the path towards enlightment.
I am sorry that the kids today are being taught from a system that was "reformed" by the 60's generation. Old disciplines were relaxed in order that the child was not stifled. Kids were pampered and encouraged to show genius because somehow, some parents wanted to give them a "leg up" teaching them Japanese, etc. In other words, the parents' ego was so great they wanted to "prove"their genius by having smaller versions of themselves.
In this feely good atmosphere, out went Patriotism, it being wrongfully equated with "nationalism". With it went respect for the military professionals, these being blamed for the Nam" debacle". However, what was forgotten that in the study of military systems in the past from Ancient Egypt to the present, that loss of respect of the defenders of the nation , proved detrimental to that nation's survival. An excellent case is that of the Byzantine empire prior to the First Crusade.
From a well trained excellent national army, the Byzantines degenerated into a polygot force of poorly paid professionals and mercenaries. By the time of the Moslem Seljuk Turk incursions into imperial territory, what had been a power strike force had devolved into poorly armed national troops of dubious value. The mercenaries that formed an intregal part were also of questionable loyalties (Varangians aside) When Romanus Diogenes led his army into eastern Anatolia to confront the Seljuks, it was also rife with imperial rivalries that did not help the situation. At the battle of Manzikert(Malagirt) (1071) the Byzantine army was virtually destroyed. The Emperor was captured, betrayed by the scion of a rival family, who did not throw in the reserves that would have saved the day.
In the civil war that followed, The Byzantine empire was laid open to enemies from all sides . The result was the loss of most of the Empire to the Turks. It was a frantic call for Aid which was taken up by Urban, the Pope in Rome and he was the one who raised the crusading banner.
It could happen again, because in our "cosmopolitan" society, we are willing to accept the seeds of our destruction. The mis-education of our youth is a very important step in this process. The children are taught that they should be ashamed of our history...that we are a land of many cultures that should be respected. While that is true, and many mistakes were made, we should learn from those mistakes to make that more perfect union. If we are such a bad country, why then do so many want to be a part of it ? WE THE PEOPLE are what it is all about. It is up to you, me and other Americans to tell our children that we are human, we make mistakes, but we can teach you to see that a path exists to a better country, but not on the backs of others or disrespect to those that protect that path.
foodcritic
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I homeschool my children because I don't want the public schools indoctrinating them. You can bet I will be teaching them all the sacrificies that went in to making this the best country in the world. I am proud to be an American and I will make sure my children know just how fortunate they are to have been born here. They know the pledge and say it with respect and honor. They will learn the Declaration of Independence (proabably next year), the Bill of Rights, the Constitution. They will understand that this country was founded on Christian principles and the basis for our many laws is the Ten Commandments. You will have four children at the end of their education who will understand how much blood was lost to make this the United States of America and how much it took to keep it. And if any of them choose the military as a career path or just a way to contribute to their country my husband and I will be very proud parents.