Maryland: State's Right Supercedes Parent's Rights

[This_person]

I am all for gay marriage as long as they have gay divorces too. Why should we have all the fun/ agony?

As far as i know there are no laws against being gay or hetero, so in my mind they are equally legal lifestyles

As is having multiple partners, so long as they are consenting and of age and you don't try to pass them off as your "spouse". If none of you are married, it's all legal. Not moral, just legal. I wouldn't want that taught as something to respect and empathize with, either, though I've seen several specials on TV advocating just that ("religious persecution in Utah", etc.)

 

[kmw1123]

And there it is! Most people don't see that the devil is slow & deliberate. He knew that, by taking prayer, Bible reading & the 10 out of schools, the door would soon be opened to the acceptance of immorality. Kick God out and anything goes! Now who's to say, WITHOUT GOD'S MORAL RULES, what's right or wrong? Hedonism is where it's at. The only thing is that God is still in charge and there will be a judgement day coming to a neighborhood near you VERY SOON! Tolerance of homosexuality, means that we understand what it is but that it's wrong. We don't have to like or accept it, but we shouldn't teach kids to hate THEM. Hate what they do, but NEVER condone it. You really don't know what your kid might hear in their "tolerance" class so it might be best to opt them out and tell them yourselves.

Let me remind you that we are discussing public schools. Public school includes students of all races and religions. We cannot sit around and read the Bible when we have students who are Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, Jewish, and any of the other hundreds of different forms of faith. For parents who want a strict religious education with bible readings and prayer, there are many private religious schools that would gladly accept them. I totally agree with you that if parents don't want their child in the class, it would be best to opt them out. There are so many good things that we do for ALL children that you can hardly call it the "work of the devil."

 

[ItalianScallion]

And the radical muslims say exactly the same thing, I have exactly the same amount of respect for their opinions.

So is everybody right or wrong? Everybody can't be right but many can be wrong. There can be only ONE absolute truth and everything else is wrong. Through research, scientific evidence, historical writings, prophecy and statistical probability, scholars & scientists have proven the Bible correct and the Qu'ran fatally wrong. Apparently you haven't found this out yet. You and millions of others. Research more and speak less against Christianity because it is dangerous for you in ways you don't believe right now!

 

[Midnightrider]

So is everybody right or wrong? Everybody can't be right but many can be wrong. There can be only ONE absolute truth and everything else is wrong. Through research, scientific evidence, historical writings, prophecy and statistical probability, scholars & scientists have proven the Bible correct and the Qu'ran fatally wrong. Apparently you haven't found this out yet. You and millions of others. Research more and speak less against Christianity because it is dangerous for you in ways you don't believe right now!

some many inaccuracies........ where to begin

 

[2ndAmendment]

...you wrote;



...by 'promulgate' I presumed you were referring to schools telling kids being gay is OK. Therefore, I am presuming that, to you, school teaching that being gay is OK is going to motivate kids, in numbers large enough to doom us all, to have only gay sex.

Also, I missed the part where they are teaching that straight sex is abnormal.

And who is advocating laws to ban heterosexual contact?

I gathered that your thought is what the school board is up to is powerful enough to 'make' people gay.

As much as I like you, your ability to understand, or maybe it is my ability to express myself clearly, is exasperating.

I am speaking of a progressive effort to promote the homosexual life as normal. In the 50's being a homosexual was certainly frowned upon. Even the 60's and early 70's homosexuals were not accepted except in very small communities. Open homosexual behavior would certainly be met with a rebuff.

Now it is 2007. There are homosexual pride days at Disney and elsewhere. Homosexual marches in D.C. Homosexual sex on the Mall in public view. Homosexual sex is no longer against the law. And the public schools in Maryland want to teach homosexual behavior as being OK. We've come a long way ... I think in the wrong direction.

The communist agenda of 1963 (another thread) was to make homosexual behavior acceptable in the United States. You don't think they wanted to do this because it was good for us do you?

This has happened in 44 years of effort. What will we have in another 20 years? 40 years? That is my point. An idea one day becomes the action of the next generation.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Let me remind you that we are discussing public schools. Public school includes students of all races and religions. We cannot sit around and read the Bible when we have students who are Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, Jewish, and any of the other hundreds of different forms of faith. For parents who want a strict religious education with bible readings and prayer, there are many private religious schools that would gladly accept them. I totally agree with you that if parents don't want their child in the class, it would be best to opt them out. There are so many good things that we do for ALL children that you can hardly call it the "work of the devil."

I know this and completely understand your statement, BUT why teach tolerance to a muslim kid when his parents might teach him to kill infidels (Christians & Jews) AND homosexuals one day in the name of allah? Don't you know what allah says should be done with homosexuals? Christians & muslims differ greatly on this. Muslims are told to kill them, Christians aren't. This is why I say leave this class OUT of the schools! And I'm not saying that everything you do is the work of the devil. I'm talking about when religion & morals are out, homosexual tolerance is in. There's the work of the devil.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Let me remind you that we are discussing public schools. Public school includes students of all races and religions. We cannot sit around and read the Bible when we have students who are Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, atheist, Jewish, and any of the other hundreds of different forms of faith. For parents who want a strict religious education with bible readings and prayer, there are many private religious schools that would gladly accept them. I totally agree with you that if parents don't want their child in the class, it would be best to opt them out. There are so many good things that we do for ALL children that you can hardly call it the "work of the devil."

But it is OK to set aside an hour for Muslim students to pray, right? They are doing that in California. Maryland? If not now, soon. Want to bet?

 

[kmw1123]

Besides the fact that it is looked down upon religiously, what is it about homosexuality that is so unacceptable? It's not like stealing, murder, illegal drug use, and other crimes that hurt other individuals. If a man or woman wants to have sex with someone of the same gender, so what? It's not hurting you in any way. No one is forcing you to have gay sex and no one is trying to get rid of heterosexuality. And I'm sorry, but I have a hard time in believing that being gay is a choice. Something else has to be a factor when it comes to extremely effeminate men and masculine women.

 

[kmw1123]

But it is OK to set aside an hour for Muslim students to pray, right? They are doing that in California. Maryland? If not now, soon. Want to bet?

Being that it is required for Muslims to pray 5 times a day, then it is understandable that they can do that. Students can miss school for religious reasons. Take Christmas and Easter for example. They are just not forcing other students to pray with them. They aren't making Christian students kneel and pray to Allah with them. If Christian students want to say a prayer before a test, they are free to do so. The school just can't lead them in prayer.

 

[Larry Gude]

No...

As much as I like you, your ability to understand, or maybe it is my ability to express myself clearly,

...I've always understood you perfectly clear; homosexuality really bothers you above many other sins.

I think your exasperation with me is based on you not accepting that gays just don't pose a threat to me or my kids or my life or my pursuit of life, liberty and happiness, that I somehow don't get the Gay Menace or Gay Rot or Queer Nation danger.

There is far more child abuse perpetrated by heteros than gays.

There is far more violence and crime perpetrated by heteros.

There is far more betrayal of the US perpetrated by hetoros.

If one of my girls gets raped, it ain't gonna be Boy George.

In short, if it is a simple question of threat to me and mine, a straight, white male who claims to be a Christian is far, far more likely the culprit. And that was the case 4 years ago or 40 years ago or 400 years ago. Second to that is a straight male of another culture.

If it is a simple question of places I can be and go and enjoy sans any homosexuality, parades et al going on, I can be in NYC as easy as somewhere in Montana and not be bothered or even see gayety.

If it is a simple question of harm or distortion or corruption of my kids, heterosexual gangster rap is far, far more of a threat than Ertha Kitt or Etha Quake or Elton John or Culture Club.

And, frankly, it is that simple.

The ONLY danger I see from gays is precedent setting in terms of unconstitutional preferences, but, again, that started in the straight world a long, long time ago. We're getting over affirmative action. We're getting over NOW. We'll survive. We might even flourish.

On the other hand, I think it is OUTRAGEOUS that Arab language translators we desperately need are tossed from intel jobs because they are gay.

I doesn't bother me if a gay man cuts my hair, waits on me at a restaurant or gives me a double bypass. As long as he does a good job.

You see danger. I see queers.

 

[kmw1123]

well put...

 

[2ndAmendment]

Being that it is required for Muslims to pray 5 times a day, then it is understandable that they can do that. Students can miss school for religious reasons. Take Christmas and Easter for example. They are just not forcing other students to pray with them. They aren't making Christian students kneel and pray to Allah with them. If Christian students want to say a prayer before a test, they are free to do so. The school just can't lead them in prayer.

You are not correct. They school has put the hour into the class day. The school in California sets aside separate rooms and even lets the Muslim children be segregated according to sex since it is not allowed for male and females to pray together according to what was on the news report. If it is wrong for Christians to have a time of prayer, then it is wrong to accommodate Muslims. If it is not wrong to accommodate Muslims, then Christians, Hindus, and every other religion must be equally accommodated.

 

[vraiblonde]

Being that it is required for Muslims to pray 5 times a day, then it is understandable that they can do that.

They why is it not acceptable for Christians to bring their Bible to school and pray as well? Because of course you're aware that many schools have regulations forbidding religious expression. Unless you're a Muslim - then they let you have your own separate prayer room.

If Christian students want to say a prayer before a test, they are free to do so.

Sure, if they do it silently. But the second some kid has the audacity to pray out loud, he will more than likely be asked to stop, and some kids have even been suspended.

I'll happily find you some news articles if you doubt me.

 

[2ndAmendment]

...I've always understood you perfectly clear; homosexuality really bothers you above many other sins.

I think your exasperation with me is based on you not accepting that gays just don't pose a threat to me or my kids or my life or my pursuit of life, liberty and happiness, that I somehow don't get the Gay Menace or Gay Rot or Queer Nation danger.

There is far more child abuse perpetrated by heteros than gays.

There is far more violence and crime perpetrated by heteros.

There is far more betrayal of the US perpetrated by hetoros.

If one of my girls gets raped, it ain't gonna be Boy George.

In short, if it is a simple question of threat to me and mine, a straight, white male who claims to be a Christian is far, far more likely the culprit. And that was the case 4 years ago or 40 years ago or 400 years ago. Second to that is a straight male of another culture.

If it is a simple question of places I can be and go and enjoy sans any homosexuality, parades et al going on, I can be in NYC as easy as somewhere in Montana and not be bothered or even see gayety.

If it is a simple question of harm or distortion or corruption of my kids, heterosexual gangster rap is far, far more of a threat than Ertha Kitt or Etha Quake or Elton John or Culture Club.

And, frankly, it is that simple.

The ONLY danger I see from gays is precedent setting in terms of unconstitutional preferences, but, again, that started in the straight world a long, long time ago. We're getting over affirmative action. We're getting over NOW. We'll survive. We might even flourish.

On the other hand, I think it is OUTRAGEOUS that Arab language translators we desperately need are tossed from intel jobs because they are gay.

I doesn't bother me if a gay man cuts my hair, waits on me at a restaurant or gives me a double bypass. As long as he does a good job.

You see danger. I see queers.

Oh. So you were being obtuse.

I am hard over on all sin. It may seem that I more so on homosexuality, but for whatever reason, that topic raises it head on this board more often that the subject of adultery or blasphemy or other sins. You should also be one of the first to admit that I always say that all sin can be forgiven, save one.

You should know me better than that to say that I am threatened by homosexuals. If I am threatened by anyone, homosexual or straight, you included, I will take care of the situation.

I think I know why you can't come down on my side of the argument. Beyond that, I am a Christian. You are not.

You don't see the danger. I do.

Need to leave, Got to go teach.

 

[Larry Gude]

What the hell...

You should know me better than that to say that I am threatened by homosexuals. If I am threatened by anyone, homosexual or straight, you included, I will take care of the situation.

...was that for?

 

[Larry Gude]

What the hell...

I think I know why you can't come down on my side of the argument. Beyond that, I am a Christian. You are not.

...is that supposed to mean? It ain't no secret on this board my brother is gay if that's what you're talking about as if you have some special knowledge of how I think. If anything, it means I, at least, know some gay people personally and how they live and how they think over time. And I do know enough that they ain't no threat or danger to you.

Jesus H. 2a. Sorry it's such a sore subject with you.

 

[2ndAmendment]

...was that for?

Just that I don't feel threatened by much of anyone.

...is that supposed to mean? It ain't no secret on this board my brother is gay if that's what you're talking about as if you have some special knowledge of how I think. If anything, it means I, at least, know some gay people personally and how they live and how they think over time. And I do know enough that they ain't no threat or danger to you.

Jesus H. 2a. Sorry it's such a sore subject with you.

I wasn't going there. I am not aware of what is or is not common knowledge on this board and I don't make a habit of delving into IRL personal stuff.

The sore subject is the government saying they have more rights over the children than the parents do. That is the issue. It would be the same if it was a history course teaching that the Nazis were correct to send the Jews to the gas chambers. I would not want my kids to be taught that either. I don't care what the subject is, I should have the right to say I don't want my kid to be taught that even if it is calculus (I know that is ridiculous.)

Now I really have to go; I'm going to be late.

 

[kmw1123]

They why is it not acceptable for Christians to bring their Bible to school and pray as well? Because of course you're aware that many schools have regulations forbidding religious expression. Unless you're a Muslim - then they let you have your own separate prayer room.


Sure, if they do it silently. But the second some kid has the audacity to pray out loud, he will more than likely be asked to stop, and some kids have even been suspended.

I'll happily find you some news articles if you doubt me.

Actually, Christian students are allowed to form prayer groups and bring their bibles to school and pray. They just have to have someone to sponsor their group and have a place for them to organize. The article I found about 12 students who were suspended dealt with the fact that they were praying in the lunch room, which was considered a high traffic area. When asked to leave the area, they refused and continued praying even though they knew it was against school policy to do so in a public area. As far as muslim prayer, they are given specific rooms to do so so that they are not disturbing other students.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Actually, Christian students are allowed to form prayer groups and bring their bibles to school and pray. They just have to have someone to sponsor their group and have a place for them to organize. The article I found about 12 students who were suspended dealt with the fact that they were praying in the lunch room, which was considered a high traffic area. When asked to leave the area, they refused and continued praying even though they knew it was against school policy to do so in a public area. As far as muslim prayer, they are given specific rooms to do so so that they are not disturbing other students.

So you do give Muslims special treatment. See. The school is officially endorsing a religion over other religions.

 

[bcp]

Actually, Christian students are allowed to form prayer groups and bring their bibles to school and pray. They just have to have someone to sponsor their group and have a place for them to organize. The article I found about 12 students who were suspended dealt with the fact that they were praying in the lunch room, which was considered a high traffic area. When asked to leave the area, they refused and continued praying even though they knew it was against school policy to do so in a public area. As far as muslim prayer, they are given specific rooms to do so so that they are not disturbing other students.

Hmmmm,,
Dont ask Dont tell?

seems like some other group has a problem with that theory also.

can a group of kids talk about the contributions to the world that homosexuals have contributed while in the lunch room?