Maryland: State's Right Supercedes Parent's Rights

[kmw1123]

do they have a special class to teach kids not to make fun of fat people? or, handicapped people?

dont fat people and handicapp people deserve rights also?

actually, there are hundreds if not thousands of different lessons taught all over the country dealing with character education, bullying, tolerance, and acceptance. this would just be one more to add to the pot. as far as handicapped people are concerned, have you heard of NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND? you might want to look that up and research all the accomodations we have to meet for every child with a disability.

 

[bcp]

actually, there are hundreds if not thousands of different lessons taught all over the country dealing with character education, bullying, tolerance, and acceptance. this would just be one more to add to the pot. as far as handicapped people are concerned, have you heard of NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND? you might want to look that up and research all the accomodations we have to meet for every child with a disability.

bullying, tolerance and acceptance?
so why a special course on endorsement of homosexuality?
why not a special course on endorsement of Christians ?

as far as the accomodations for the handicapped are concerned, do they include a special course on acceptance, or to teach other students how to assist the handicapped?

I would think that telling kids not to bully others would suffice. as far as school goes, they would learn not to bully anyone for any reason. the homosexuals would be free from harrassment in the school.

since the school wont allow any alternate view on the subject, I would have to say that they are certainly trying to instill a set of morals that reach beyond the doors of the school.
when did that become their place?

could you name of few of those courses by the way?
thousands????

 

[kmw1123]

no one is going to force them YET.
however, when too many students opt out, they will make it mandatory.

There is a difference between support, and endorse.
the government supports religions through the 1st amendment, and through tax exempt status.

so, since its ok to endorse homosexuality because the government recognizes it, it also must be ok to endorse religion because the government recognizes it.

when did it become the schools job to dictate morals. This has not been answered as of yet.

i have yet to hear of any student who was forced to sit in a sex ed class against their will or the will of the parents. people should always have the right to not have their kids participate because of religion or whatever other reason.
i just double checked and the american heritage dictionary says that to endorse something means to support it. they mean the same thing. this isnt about teaching morals. according to the washington post article, nothing in the lessons make students stop believing in their religious views towards homosexuality.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/03/AR2007070300991_pf.html

i think its time we agree to disagree. if it gets thrown out, it gets thrown out. if not, so be it and make sure you sign the form to get them out of the class.
as far as the lesson plans for character education, just look online and you will see a ton of different resources

 

[bcp]

actually, I think I will have my daughter take the homo indoctronation class.

and voice her opposition to it.

the school is counting on the parents that dont give a crap about their childrens education to bring up the numbers of the homosexual community.

and by the way, if opposition to the discussion is not allowed, it is endorsement.
and if this is not endorsement, then either can any class that is offered in the school on chrisianity be considered so either.

cant have it both ways, although, Im sure you enjoy the fact that right now it is.

 

[kmw1123]

actually, I think I will have my daughter take the homo indoctronation class.

and voice her opposition to it.

the school is counting on the parents that dont give a crap about their childrens education to bring up the numbers of the homosexual community.

and by the way, if opposition to the discussion is not allowed, it is endorsement.
and if this is not endorsement, then either can any class that is offered in the school on chrisianity be considered so either.

cant have it both ways, although, Im sure you enjoy the fact that right now it is.

It would be kind of hard to teach a tolerance class if everyone was standing up and voicing their opposition. that is why they plan on teaching the class in such a way that will still support certain religious aspects and will not force anyone to change their beliefs. they changed the original format of the curriculum because it opposed those religious values. and i doubt that every parent who lets their child take this class doesnt give a crap about their education. i also doubt that the school is trying to increase the numbers of gays in the community like its some sort of hidden agenda. the class is about learning how to deal with differences, not 'hey kids, come learn how to be gay and take it up the butt'

 

[bcp]

'hey kids, come learn how to be gay and take it up the butt'

I actually just laughed at this line.

 

[ItalianScallion]

being that there is a separation of church and state, religion should not be practiced inside school walls. school systems are bending over backwards to try to accomodate everyone's wants and needs and instead of criticizing those efforts, people need to be a little more understanding and appreciative. this doesnt just go for christians, but for those of all faiths and those that are not religious. its not easy trying to please everyone.

This is exactly why this BS must stop in the schools and truth must be taught! YOU CAN"T PLEASE EVERYONE! People need to hear the truth, then accept or reject it. It should not be; change the truth to please everyone. Schools have failed thanks to the liberal aclu agenda interfering with them and this crap of being "a little more understanding & appreciative".

 

[ItalianScallion]

why shouldnt it? it's not against the law and more and more people are becoming more open about it and accepting it. it is not the school's goal to turn kids into homosexuals, but it is important that kids are shown that there are different types of people out there and that even though they may not agree with what they do, it is important to understand that they are human beings and entitled to the same rights as everyone else.

BECAUSE IT IS A PERVERSION NOT A BIRTH DEFECT and it's against God's law! God destroyed entire cities because of it. Do you think He is not pissed off about the direction this country is going in? Don't you think our SICK perversions are partly what sets the terrorists against us? And yes, kids should "be shown that there are different types of people out there", but they are whites, blacks, chinese, germans, italians, etc., not sexual devients. Why not show the kids the S&M folks, the swingers and the cross dressers? And these people will NOT settle for the same rights as everyone else. They want special rights! They do need help but they should only have the human rights that we all have. Above that, nothing. I believe firmly that they should not be bashed or hated, but shown compassion to help them get back on the right track. MANY have come out of the lifestyle and have become good Christian people, so it is NOT normal nor incurable. It's our vote/power hungry government and other spineless special interest groups that enable these people to proliferate in our society! Those teachers need to stand up also and stop being puppets in the school system. AAATTTSSS right!!! (Sorry but you struck a nerve with me when you said "why shouldn't it")

 

[Merlin99]

BECAUSE IT IS A PERVERSION NOT A BIRTH DEFECT and it's against God's law! God destroyed entire cities because of it. Do you think He is not pissed off about the direction this country is going in? Don't you think our SICK perversions are partly what sets the terrorists against us? And yes, kids should "be shown that there are different types of people out there", but they are whites, blacks, chinese, germans, italians, etc., not sexual devients. Why not show the kids the S&M folks, the swingers and the cross dressers? And these people will NOT settle for the same rights as everyone else. They want special rights! They do need help but they should only have the human rights that we all have. Above that, nothing. I believe firmly that they should not be bashed or hated, but shown compassion to help them get back on the right track. MANY have come out of the lifestyle and have become good Christian people, so it is NOT normal nor incurable. It's our vote/power hungry government and other spineless special interest groups that enable these people to proliferate in our society! Those teachers need to stand up also and stop being puppets in the school system. AAATTTSSS right!!! (Sorry but you struck a nerve with me when you said "why shouldn't it")

I've finally figured you out, your a Fred Phelps wannabe. If you didn't have to worry about being ostracized by your community, I'm sure your statements would be closer to "kill them all and let God send them all to hell".

 

[vraiblonde]

it's against God's law!

Pardon me, but since I don't believe in God, his laws mean nothing to me. It's folks like you that give religion a bad name and scare the crap out of people who aren't interested in living in a theocracy.

That said, I think the schools should stay out of the sex and morality business. It's not their place and I find it crazy that they get to pick and choose what parts of the First Amendment they want to allow their students.

 

[calamity jane]

It would be kind of hard to teach a tolerance class if everyone was standing up and voicing their opposition. that is why they plan on teaching the class in such a way that will still support certain religious aspects and will not force anyone to change their beliefs. they changed the original format of the curriculum because it opposed those religious values. and i doubt that every parent who lets their child take this class doesnt give a crap about their education. i also doubt that the school is trying to increase the numbers of gays in the community like its some sort of hidden agenda. the class is about learning how to deal with differences, not 'hey kids, come learn how to be gay and take it up the butt'

What certain religious aspects are you speaking of?

As far as forcing students to change their beliefs, isn't that the whole point of the class, to change the minds of the students who may think that a homosexual lifestyle is immoral, abnormal behavior?
You may doubt that the school has an agenda to increase the numbers of gays, but there are those groups whose agenda is exactly that. Their efforts are paying off. They want extra rights because of their choice to be homosexual, and a choice it is, as there are many people who have chosen to give up being a homosexual. You can't give up a birth defect.

 

[kmw1123]

I think the one key point that everyone is missing is that NO ONE IS BEING FORCED TO TAKE THIS CLASS AND CHANGE THEIR MORAL BELIEFS! therefore, the state is not going against the moral beliefs of any parent. if you do not want your child exposed to learning how to be more tolerant to different lifestyles, then SIGN THE PAPER TO KEEP THEM OUT OF THE CLASS! AND IF THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE AGAINST THIS TYPE OF CLASS, THEN THE ISSUE OF THOSE STUDENTS BEING TEASED FOR SITTING OUT OF THE CLASS WILL NOT BE AN ISSUE. AND MAYBE, IF ENROLLMENT IS DOWN, THEY MAY EVEN DROP THAT PORTION OF SEX ED! HALLELUJAH! PRAISE JESUS, AMEN! but for those parents who are more accepting, tolerant, and understanding of what others choose to do with their lives, whether it fits God's law or not, the class will be available to help their children learn how to deal with differences.

and as far as gays and terrorists go, yes, they may believe that gays should die and burn in hell, but they also believe that women should be covered from head to toe and that men have the right to beat their wives and even stone them to death for something as simple as having another man look at her. should we conform to these ways of life, too, so we can make the terrorists happy? fanaticism exists in every religion. theres a difference in believing in God and taking it way too far.

 

[PrchJrkr]

Red karma;



South Park never made you laugh and go; That's funny because it's so true!?

If you actually watched South Park and, knowing how you feel about gays, you wouldn't be giving red, you'd be giving green.

You see, in several episodes, SP makes great fun of illustrating societies overboard hyper sensitivity to homosexuals and...never mind. You didn't watch.

Sorry Larry I have a young son and try to set a good example, so no, I don't watch SP.

 

[Larry Gude]

Does...

Sorry Larry I have a young son and try to set a good example, so no, I don't watch SP.

...a good example include your son being in bed before 10pm?

Also, if you don't watch it, how does me watching it explain anything you may think about me?

That would be like me saying something like you jerking perch explains you to me; I don't jerk perch or any other fishing, ie, I don't know anything about it and I'm not going to make a character assessment about you based on what the great and powerful 'they' say about fishing for perch.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ps...

Sorry Larry I have a young son and try to set a good example, so no, I don't watch SP.

...FWIW, a young son or daughter, say 13-14 and under, shouldn't be watching South Park.

 

[ItalianScallion]

I've finally figured you out, your a Fred Phelps wannabe. If you didn't have to worry about being ostracized by your community, I'm sure your statements would be closer to "kill them all and let God send them all to hell".

OK Ray Charles, nothing in my statement indicates that I would "kill them all & let God send them all to hell". I spoke of NOT bashing them & having compassion on them so they might come out of that lifestyle! You are a blind person sent from below to the devil's work. Go away

 

[ItalianScallion]

Pardon me, but since I don't believe in God, his laws mean nothing to me. It's folks like you that give religion a bad name and scare the crap out of people who aren't interested in living in a theocracy.

One day they will Vrai. What you believe has no bearing on what is right or wrong. God's law is unchanging. If you think "folks like me give religion a bad name and scare the crap out of people," your perspective is wrong. Jesus offended many while telling the truth because He genuinely cared about them but the people were to blind to see it! Whenever wrongdoing is exposed, the offenders get upset. I am commanded by God to speak the truth in love and I do. Sorry if you or anyone is afraid of the truth or offended by it, but one day everyone will meet God and see that I was right.

 

[PrchJrkr]

...a good example include your son being in bed before 10pm?

Also, if you don't watch it, how does me watching it explain anything you may think about me?

That would be like me saying something like you jerking perch explains you to me; I don't jerk perch or any other fishing, ie, I don't know anything about it and I'm not going to make a character assessment about you based on what the great and powerful 'they' say about fishing for perch.

We go to bed at 9:00pm. He gets his 8+ hours, I get 7. Thanks for caring.

I've seen enough of SP to know that it's geared towards the late teen to early 20s age group. I'm too mature for potty humor and my son is too young.

We don't patronize Hollywood, either, but I can tell you by the movie trailers, that most of what they produce is trash, IMO. So we don't go to the movies.

If you want to watch the socially enlightening SP, so be it.

Fishing is a good wholesome activity that I can share with my son. According to my kids, I'm a pretty good guy. So I guess you could judge my character by my activities. His aim has gotten pretty good lately, too.

If you like potty humor and foul language, go for it. Get your perspective from wherever you wish. I was stating a point. I don't think SP is for an overly mature audience.

My AV was created by my 17yo daughter. Funny, huh?

 

[Toxick]

but for those parents who are more accepting, tolerant, and understanding of what others choose to do with their lives, whether it fits God's law or not,

For me it has absolutely nothing to do with tolerance or lack thereof.

I'm tolerant. I don't have anything against the gay. I support gay marriage. I have been to an Elton John concert!*

My philosophy is, and has always been, if my junk isn't involved, then I don't care who does what. (Actually, I have since amended this philosophy to: If my family's junks aren't invovled, then I don't care who does what... but the spirit hasn't changed.)

I don't want my kids to take a class like this, and it's not because I'm intolerant. I don't need the school exposing my kids to heterosexual behavior either.

I maintain Sex-Ed should be about one thing and ONE thing only.

Reproduction.



Tell my kids : "Sperm + Egg = Baby"
Tell them where the elements of the formula come from.
And then kindly butt the #### out.


I don't need the school telling my kids about two people who love each other share special moments and this love is so strong that various tabs must be inserted into various slots... or whatever other kind of politically correct garbage they're going to try and shove down their throats.

Stick to teaching my kids KNOWLEDGE and I will handle their moral education the way I see fit, thankyouvery####ingmuch.












*3 points

 

[PsyOps]

I maintain Sex-Ed should be about one thing and ONE thing only.

Reproduction.



Tell my kids : "Sperm + Egg = Baby"
Tell them where the elements of the formula come from.
And then kindly butt the #### out.


I don't need the school telling my kids about two people who love each other share special moments and this love is so strong that various tabs must be inserted into various slots... or whatever other kind of politically correct garbage they're going to try and shove down their throats.

Stick to teaching my kids KNOWLEDGE and I will handle their moral education the way I see fit, thankyouvery####ingmuch.

You get this from biology class. Sex ed should come from the parents. This is just another thing parents throw on the school system that they (the parents) are too busy to teach their kids or aren't comfortable with. My answer to that is: If you can't handle being a parent DON'T HAVE KIDS! And especially don't expect someone else to teach your kids this stuff without them injecting their own philosophy on it. From that standpoint I don't trust the schools to teach my kids this stuff.