Meanwhile, in Buffalo...

[limblips]

I bet even the cops are in on it. 57 other officers clearly planned to resign and are probably kicking some of their pension money his way.

If you would read the reports you would know that the cops did not resign from the force. They resigned from the emergency response team in support of their fellow officers. ERT membership is voluntary and you can resign anytime. You, who is always telling others to read, need to practice what you preach.

 

[Kyle]

If you would read the reports you would know that the cops did not resign from the force. They resigned from the emergency response team is support of their fellow officers. ERT membership is voluntary and you can resign anytime. You, who is always telling others to read, need to practice what you preach.

Hissy is the "All-Seeing, All-Knowing Oracle of Dunkirk"

Like the one in ancient Delphi but with haughty pretentiousness.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

If you would read the reports you would know that the cops did not resign from the force. They resigned from the emergency response team in support of their fellow officers. ERT membership is voluntary and you can resign anytime. You, who is always telling others to read, need to practice what you preach.

Good point. Sorry for the confusion.

Not that it changes anything, but good to clarify.

These officers resigned from that unit because they see nothing wrong with claiming they protect and serve the public, then pushing over an old guy causing him to hit his head on the sidewalk, then pulling back officers who dare try and help the guy. To me, that represents the fundamental and systemic problem with law enforcement today. People can make it seem like a racism thing, but it's clearly a power thing.

Now, the GOP is torn. Supporting the same officers who not long ago arrested/prevented folks attending church. That was a problem. Those Constitutional rights were argued to death. Now, because they disagree with the subject of the protests, police infringing on the rights of protesters is cool. No big deal.

 

[b23hqb]

I think the fall was legit BUT play stupid games win stupid prizes. The cop did nothing wrong, the old idiot if he survives might have learned a valuable lesson.
I'm sure hardly none of you remember this but when you get in Supermans way................

I remember it well.

 

[Kyle]

Big difference between preventing people from going to church and preventing *******s from burning down the city.

 

[vraiblonde]

It's fun watching you go insane in real time.

 

[Lurk]

Seen less blood from a head shot. If these photos are true and accurate, that much blood would mean a severe head trauma but no indications at the impact point. Blood should be dropping off the back of his head.

Bleeding from the ears is quite prodigeous when there is basal skull fracture. Haven't heard what his injury was, have we?

 

[Chris0nllyn]

It's fun watching you go insane in real time.

Now you know how I felt watching your bender.

Not enough forum traffic, so you had to go full-GURPS.

 

[Midnightrider]

Now you know how I felt watching your bender.

Not enough forum traffic, so you had to go full-GURPS.

She’s been doing that a lot lately.

 

[Kyle]

It's fun watching you go insane in real time.

Not going... Went.

 

[Lurk]

Yup, agreed. Didn't like at all that they walked right past the dude.

Go back and watch the video of the "shove" and the "stepping past the body" Watch the offending-officer nearer the camera as he stops, bends down toward the "crisis actor" or "victim." An uninvolved officer presses the guy to get back in line and radios for what (ambulance, senior officer, what). There is a photograph of an officer in combat fatigues kneeling next to the old guy rendering what (medical attention, arrest, what). I suspect this was the medical support attached to the ERT unit.

 

[vraiblonde]

Now you know how I felt watching your bender.

Not enough forum traffic, so you had to go full-GURPS.

She’s been doing that a lot lately.

Alllllll...Chrissy and MR sittin in a tree.....

 

[Midnightrider]

Alllllll...Chrissy and MR sittin in a tree.....

awww, V is reduced to third grader playground taunts.....

thats not going to get many clicks

 

[GURPS]

so you had to go full-GURPS.

WTF are you going on about

 

[Yooper]

If it still seems implausible that some superannuated hippie would be engaged in intelligence gathering against law enforcement, have a look at Gugino’s Twitter feed (which has since been deleted), where he proudly expresses his revolutionary ideals and his animus for the police.

I didn't like how the PJMedia article led off when I read it yesterday evening, but I think it has merit, re: the dude. Not at all out of the realm of possibility that he eagerly accepted a mission, was trained in what to do, and hoped his ancientness gave him a pass.

You'd think the cops would be all over this. Reporting this "intel" gathering (was he going to hack the Tac channels too?) seems like something the police would want to tell the public so they aren't as disgusted by their actions. It seems like something the supervisor/command staff of the fired officers would like to know before they fired the officers.

Why do you think the police haven't done either of those things?

You could be correct. Another possibility, due to the edginess everyone now has, is that the police want to be sure they've done some investigating before saying anything.

Go back and watch the video of the "shove" and the "stepping past the body" Watch the offending-officer nearer the camera as he stops, bends down toward the "crisis actor" or "victim." An uninvolved officer presses the guy to get back in line and radios for what (ambulance, senior officer, what). There is a photograph of an officer in combat fatigues kneeling next to the old guy rendering what (medical attention, arrest, what). I suspect this was the medical support attached to the ERT unit.

Yup. Saw it. My point is that this was bad optics for the PD. And in these kinds of "warfare" optics matter.

--- End of line (MCP)

 

[GURPS]

I didn't like how the PJMedia article led off when I read it yesterday evening, but I think it has merit, re: the dude. Not at all out of the realm of possibility that he eagerly accepted a mission, was trained in what to do, and hoped his ancientness gave him a pass.

 

[vraiblonde]

Yup. Saw it. My point is that this was bad optics for the PD. And in these kinds of "warfare" optics matter.

Well, I'm sure if they could have planned for it they might have had a different "optic" for the news media. But life comes at you fast and you deal with the situation at hand.

Too bad the press doesn't cover for them the way they do for the rioters and violent criminals. Oh, and the Democrats.

 

[Yooper]

(a) Well, I'm sure if they could have planned for it they might have had a different "optic" for the news media. But life comes at you fast and you deal with the situation at hand.

(b) Too bad the press doesn't cover for them the way they do for the rioters and violent criminals. Oh, and the Democrats.

(a) Not disagreeing; life does come at one fast. My point is that this is a similar "optics" problem to what the U.S. faced in the early days of the Iraq occupation. Just like the soldiers (then) the police (now) were/are trained to do a certain job and when forced to switch it up look(ed) clumsy. I would hope that the police had planned for this type of work in the department's training because in situations like this - when tensions and adrenaline run high - it's only training that keeps the mistakes to a minimum.

I guess that's the operative word - "minimum." "Zero mistakes" isn't remotely achievable (which is unfortunate because one thing we can all be sure of is that when the clumsiness occurs there's absolute certainty the MSM and "police opponents" will immediately pounce). I'd be curious to know what the training was; regardless, I hope the police union gets involved because these officers were - I think - wrongly charged and are being offered up as scapegoats (like the "other 3" in the Floyd incident).

I think the dude deserved every bit of the shove he got. Sorry's he's in the hospital, but at the macro level he's the one who put himself there. Having said that, the police have to remember they are playing to a far larger audience; one that will scrutinize - fairly or unfairly - every move they make. Why I keep thinking, "training, training, training."

Sorry for the long-winded reply. Mulling over the whole incident a bit.

(b) Absolutely, 100% agree.

--- End of line (MCP)

 

[vraiblonde]

Why I keep thinking, "training, training, training."

My understanding is that their training is to keep moving and not break ranks for anything, that the guys bringing up the rear will take care of things like, you know, old guys hitting the pavement. I read it somewhere and a cop buddy of mine reaffirmed it.

I think the bigger problem is our "news" media and how they portray things. Someone posts a screed and it will reach about 25% of their followers. Once the media gets ahold of it, it goes viral. That's how that Covington kid got famous - the fake news media went after him.

If we ever hope to have any sort of harmony we really need to do something about the rabble rousing news media that are funded by America's enemies. Many of us were calling the leftwing press the enemy of the People long before Trump came on the scene.

 

[GURPS]

“Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment,” the president tweeted.

The president then tagged One America News Network (OANN) and referenced a report of theirs.

“I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a setup?” he concluded.

Though President Trump did not retweet the referenced report, other Twitter accounts shared it, noting that it was scant on evidence.



https://www.dailywire.com/news/trump-attacks-75-year-old-man-shoved-by-buffalo-pd-antifa-provocateur