Montgomery County Smoking Ban

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by cariblue
If the gal looking at it gets the message that she's suppose to be a toy, then her problems run deeper than being objectified.

I disagree. Young women tend to be more insecure and more predisposed to emulating our pop culture. For example, you and I aren't likely to run off and start baring our bodies because we saw Britney Spears doing it. But young girls think that stuff's cool and, unfortunately, not enough of their mothers discourage it.

Some 10 year old kid that watches MTV would get the idea that the only way to attract a guy is to take your clothes off. And that's fine if we want a nation of women who do nothing more than that. But we're supposed to be moving away from that sexist garbage.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by justhangn
They aren't??!!

See, Cari? Then these young girls grow up and marry someone like JH. Is that really what you want for your daughter?

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by cariblue
So no, I don't think all young women view the magazines the same way.

Your daughter has that "combat boot grunge girl" thing going on - my middle daughter has a "hippie bag lady" fashion sense. We're lucky that our daughters are individuals and not these sleezebags hanging around promising bjs because they don't know how to relate to guys any other way.

But you've certainly seen the girls that wear as little as possible and flaunt their stuff to the guys because that's all they've really got going for them, right? And I'll bet your daughter, like mine, is in the minority among her classmates.

 

[Tonio]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
I hate to sound like one of these feminist nutballs but one of my main complaints is the objectification of women in our mainstream media. I think it sends the message to our girls and young women that they're nothing more than some man's sex toy.

I can appreciate that objection to porn. But I've never understood the religious objection to it. I think it must have something to do with "be fruitful and multiply," or the whole business with Onan. But the way I read that chapter, Onan seemed to be punished for refusing God's order to impregnate his dead brother's wife, not for the act of spilling his seed.

 

[tlatchaw]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Your daughter has that "combat boot grunge girl" thing going on - my middle daughter has a "hippie bag lady" fashion sense. We're lucky that our daughters are individuals and not these sleezebags hanging around promising bjs because they don't know how to relate to guys any other way.

But you've certainly seen the girls that wear as little as possible and flaunt their stuff to the guys because that's all they've really got going for them, right? And I'll bet your daughter, like mine, is in the minority among her classmates.

Oh Boy! You ladies make me really appreciate that my destructive little "agents of entropy" (three daughters) are ages 10, 6, and 3. I guess they're not going to get easier to take care of, are they?

(Sound of crying in the back ground) DO THEY EVER STOP WHINING?

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by tlatchaw
I guess they're not going to get easier to take care of, are they?

Mmmmm....about the easiest it gets is between the ages of 3 and 12, then after they become adults and move out. The infant years are a lot of work and the teen years are a lot of worry.

But take heart! Cari's daughter isn't some naked hooch and neither are my daughters. So it CAN be done.

Heck, I'm not even getting a hoochie daughter-in-law. We were kind of scared, considering some of the girls Doug used to drag home. But this gal is a peach and we welcome her with open arms.

 

[czygvtwkr]

Originally posted by Ken King
No one is forcing anyone to smoke. ETS concentrations are so low that real science says there is no impact. Did you bother to read the links Chuckster provided? I bet not, the truth would deflate that balloon you call a head.

Another case of the irrational mass trying to control personal behavior. If smoking bothers you that much I can only imagine what oil fired furnaces, fireplaces, or woodstoves are doing to you (not to mention the output from automobiles and trucks). Where is your outrage against these?

First off my head is not over inflated, that would be yours. You have shown me you are nothing more than a big blow hard. I made no personal attack against you or anyone else for that matter, I was just stating my opinion and you come out with the Junior Highschool name calling.

Secondly oil furnaces dont make my clothes stink, neither do cars, etc. If it doesnt stink how come so many smokers puff out their car window and refuse to use the ash tray in their car....because they dont want it to stink.

I bet most scientists would agree if I urinated on you that wouldnt hurt you either so why dont you let me come over and do it? I tell you why because you don't wan't it, its discusting I feel the same way about having the smokers residue in my clothes and hair.

You know what else you pompus ass, I never cited health concerns for not wanting people smoking in places like resturants so why should I bother going to read about a study about it?

 

[Ken King]

Originally posted by czygvtwkr
First off my head is not over inflated, that would be yours. You have shown me you are nothing more than a big blow hard. I made no personal attack against you or anyone else for that matter, I was just stating my opinion and you come out with the Junior Highschool name calling.

Secondly oil furnaces dont make my clothes stink, neither do cars, etc. If it doesnt stink how come so many smokers puff out their car window and refuse to use the ash tray in their car....because they dont want it to stink.

I bet most scientists would agree if I urinated on you that wouldnt hurt you either so why dont you let me come over and do it? I tell you why because you don't wan't it, its discusting I feel the same way about having the smokers residue in my clothes and hair.

You know what else you pompus ass, I never cited health concerns for not wanting people smoking in places like resturants so why should I bother going to read about a study about it?

You're so full of crap I bet your eyes are brown. Your opening post said that you were being forced to smoke, when in fact no one is forcing you to smoke as you originally stated (sounds to me like you had a health concern here). This is verified by the studies that Chuckster referenced. The only reason many of the localities are considering the ban is for alleged health concerns. Which in case you haven't noticed is the topic of discussion. Try to keep up, I know it's tough for some folk.

Now you claim you weren't making a point about health but one of smell, you are so full of it that I am surprised you would notice anything but the fecal odor that emanates and surrounds you. You'll probably respond next that you don't have a problem with smell either. I've seen and listened to your type before, continuous sniveling and whining. When called on it you try to shift the topic. I'll bet that you aren't happy unless the world revolves around your pathetic amoebic life, well guess what Slick, it doesn't. Get a clue.

Oil fired furnaces, fireplaces, wood stoves, and vehicles might not make your clothes smell (which is open for debate, I say they do) but the noxious emissions coming from them do more harm to your health then what is being done by ETS.

Also my comments would only be considered a personal attack by a juvenile such as yourself, I do notice that you have no problem with name calling. I guess you live on that one-way street where it's okay for you but not anyone else. What a hypocrite. BTW, what did I call you?

 

[czygvtwkr]

...that over inflated ballon you call a head

You were the one that opened that door. I know your type too you are probably one of those people that take a 10 minute smoking break every hour at work. Constantly saying stuff like "I deserve my smoke break"

 

[hwyman3]

I do not want this discussion to turn into a childish name calling fest, so let me state the one question that supporters of the smoking ban refuse to answer. With the number of non-smoking restaurants that currently exist, how is anyone forcing you to smoke? If you choose to dine in a restaurant that has a smoking section, you are choosing to be around that smoke. Secondly, if the idea of a non-smoking bar is such a good one, how come they are only open in areas where they are forced to be by government intervention? Where bar owners are free to decide smoking or non-smoking, how come they all choose smoking? It couldn't be that that is what their patrons want is it?

 

[czygvtwkr]

Really I could care less about bars, dont go to them but I dont think there is a resturant in Lexington Park that is smoke free. Is the habbit that bad that you can't wait an hour for a friggin cig?

The ones that have a smoking and nonsmoking section seperate the two by a potted plant...that really works.

 

[czygvtwkr]

Litter

I also think anyone that empties their ashtray out the window of their car at stop lights should be fined $500 for littering.

 

[libragirl]

im a smoker who sits in the nonsmoking section

i dont like to smell it or see it while im eating!! why cant all smokers do this if you cant wait until you get outside your habbit is really bad

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by cariblue
Freakin' traitor!

Again, this is merely a power play and Czy's comments bring that home to me. They don't want to go to a non-smoking establishment. They want you to quit smoking.

Larry's giving me grief now about smoking. I know I said I was going to quit at 40 but screw it. I like to smoke and keep it at about 1/2 pack a day. Anyway, he's now decided that smoking gives him a headache and he gripes constantly about it. Had I known he would turn into this smoke-Nazi, I would have never even dated him, let alone married him.

But the point is that my smoking only inconveniences him occasionally. We don't sit in smoking at restaurants, I don't smoke in the house, etc. But he wants me to quit, period, and I don't want to. So we have a control issue going on.

 

[Larry Gude]

Agreed...

...it is a control issue. Smokers want to control when/if they quit and under what conditions and circumstances.

The reason they want to control this is because they know they are doing something bad for themself BUT THEY LIKE IT.

I LOVE ice cream and I need more ice cream like I need...to start smoking again.

I've known two, count em, two, smokers in my ENTIRE life who did NOT want to quit and one of them knows it's killing him but, again, that control, he just loves smoking. And he'll die sooner than he would have otherwise.

The vast majority of ex smokers are happy as hell they quit and the vast majority, as their systems clean out, grow to detest smoke. The vast majority who smoke think about quiting...very often.

Why? Why quit something that is good for you? Control issues?

Let's see...roll a weed up, wrap it in paper and...inhale it. Yum, yum. Then, after you've had your fill, stop inhaling poison (sorry, smoke is a poison, works GREAT in the greenhouse at killing bugs...not improving their quailty of life...KILLING them) get it out of your system so you no longer have a dependancy (like ice cream?) or psychological need for the drugs and now it is an irritant. Because it is.

We add nicotine based irritants to pesticides. It stirs up the pests to make them easier to...kill.

So, control issues? I understand the nag factor. Think 'ice cream'.

If a person is holding their breathe because they want to and someone else wants them to breath again because they have a vested interest in that other persons health...who has the control issue?

Ice cream has the virtue of not stinking or needing the window of the car rolled down in the winter time. It doesn't spead ashes all over the place. Nobodys house ever burned down because they fell asleep on the sofa with a bowl off ice cream on their lap. I never get grumpy when we're out of Quarterback Crunch. It's also very poor at killing bugs.

Smokers, sorry. It stinks. It gives me a headache because it is a poison.

I would have never even dated him, let alone married him.

Had I only known about the ice cream thing...

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
Had I known he would turn into this smoke-Nazi, I would have never even dated him, let alone married him.

Funny how some people would put a paper d!ck over the real thing.

 

[SmallTown]

Strange world we live in. I can go into a restaurant and have to breathe this nasty, smelly smoke while i'm trying to have dinner and nothing is done about it. Even though it has an impact on many people. Yet if I wanted to sit in the corner of an adult theatre and jerk off all over myself, I get arrested. Go figure.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SmallTown
I can go into a restaurant and have to breathe this nasty, smelly smoke while i'm trying to have dinner and nothing is done about it.

Get a bubble.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by Larry Gude
If a person is holding their breathe because they want to and someone else wants them to breath again because they have a vested interest in that other persons health...who has the control issue?

The nagger because it's none of their business. That's what liberals do - decide what they think is best for people, regardless of what the people themselves want. Larry.

 

[SmallTown]

Originally posted by vraiblonde
The nagger because it's none of their business. That's what liberals do - decide what they think is best for people, regardless of what the people themselves want. Larry.

makes you wonder why suicide is illegal.