More on an old discusion with Vrai

[donbarzini]

Hmmm... The report doesn't say one thing about whether the kid was doing things properly. And I have no doubt the driver wasn't paying attention. But it's still my contention that if that kid's parent had been there this would not have happened.

Watching Ch#4 last night you could see the Point of Impact was inside the crosswalk. At a 4-way stop.

 

[MMDad]

Hmmm... The report doesn't say one thing about whether the kid was doing things properly. And I have no doubt the driver wasn't paying attention. But it's still my contention that if that kid's parent had been there this would not have happened.

He was walking with his two Uncles. His mother is 8 months pregnant. He was in a cross walk. The woman who hit him broke the law. How can you be so arrogant as to blame the parent?

 

[vraiblonde]

How can you be so arrogant as to blame the parent?

Because he can't get over the resounding butt-whipping he got at the hands of your logical (not to mention charming, beautiful and modest) Bored Mommy over that bus stop girl.

 

[vraiblonde]

But it's still my contention that if that kid's parent had been there this would not have happened.

I'll bet not a week goes by that some adult doesn't try to commit suicide in front of my vehicle on our sleepy little Main St. They ARE the parents.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Because he can't get over the resounding butt-whipping he got at the hands of your logical (not to mention charming, beautiful and modest) Bored Mommy over that bus stop girl.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

He was walking with his two Uncles. His mother is 8 months pregnant. He was in a cross walk. The woman who hit him broke the law. How can you be so arrogant as to blame the parent?

OK, here it goes. He's cynical. He believes, with children, that parents are to blame for everything, not another's negligence. He thinks children should hve their hand held crossing the street to their bus stop until their 18, where they can then pick up a gun and go to war. PsyOps also believes that in this day and age, parents should be held responsible for EVERYTHING that happens to their kids at the hands of someone else.

That sum it up for you?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

I guess pregnant mommy should have been there that way if this would've still happened, it would somehow be her fault. You can't win with PsyOps. No matter what condition mommy is in, she should still be holding her kids' hands until their 18.


I can't believe I'm agreeing with Vrai.

 

[PsyOps]

Watching Ch#4 last night you could see the Point of Impact was inside the crosswalk. At a 4-way stop.

I don't want to read too much into the story. We have no idea if the child jumped out in front of the car or ran out in the road or what. If the driver was on a cell phone then he/she will be charged, no doubt. My larger concern is not this accident specifically. I am concerned about this passive attitude toward our kids and the expectation that we can just leave them out there to roam on their own with no real knowledge of anything. A lot of folks are saying "well I roamed the streets alone and I am fine". Yeah, so did this boy and he is dead; so did Ben Ownby and Shawn hornbeck and so many others that never made it home. Consider yourselves lucky.

This incident proves that it is more dangerous in so many ways than when I grew up.

And to answer your question Vrai... When our boy was 6 we knew where he was always and watched him always. That's what parents do. We would never dream of allowing him to walk alone to the bus stop or cross an intersection without our help. I know you believe we are teaching our kids to be all mushy and "retarded", but this kid is neither. He is dead.

 

[nomoney]

http://wbztv.com/topstories/local_story_314090102.html

Mother and child hit by car

hmm..guess the mom's parents shoulda been there to huh?

http://www.saintpetersburgtimes.com/2005/10/05/Hillsborough/Tampa_teen_hit_by_car.shtml

16 yr old hit by car

Hmmm...guess the kid was still under 18...effin parents!! where the heck were they??

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/10501952/detail.html?rss=elp&psp=news

homeless man hit by car...

Where were his parents??? If his parents took responsibility this man would of had a house and not been hit by a car!!!!

 

[Dougstermd]

Nomoney beat me to it. Adults get hit by cars all the time - is that *their* parents' fault?

When I was 6, I was allowed to walk to a neighbor friend's house unsupervised. I allowed my kids to do the same. All of us are still alive to tell the tale. Accidents happen, people drive recklessly, kids fall off their bikes. The only perfectly safe activity is sitting in your house watching TV, but with that there's the danger that you'll turn into a fat idiot. Which, in my opinion, there are already enough of.

YOU FORGOT POSTING ON THE COMPUTER. I think my brain is rotting so this is not safe either

 

[PsyOps]

I guess pregnant mommy should have been there that way if this would've still happened, it would somehow be her fault. You can't win with PsyOps. No matter what condition mommy is in, she should still be holding her kids' hands until their 18.


I can't believe I'm agreeing with Vrai.

You're too presumptuous. This isn’t about holding hands and defining ages at which you allow your kids to roam alone. I think it’s absurd that anyone would imply that 6 years old is old enough to be roaming around alone. This form of parental absenteeism explains a whole line of problems we are seeing in our society from our kids. Now don’t take this as an across-the-board finger being pointed at you or any other parent. But generally speaking you cannot deny there is a growing problem with our kids today as well as a growing problem with child abduction and sex crimes.

This also isn’t about winning with me. I have watched long enough to realize parents have become increasingly derelict in raising their kids. This story is just a small example of what happens on the extreme side.

As far as what condition the mommy is in does not exempt her from her (or daddy’s) responsibilities to make sure their kids are safe.

 

[nomoney]

You're too presumptuous. This isn’t about holding hands and defining ages at which you allow your kids to roam alone. I think it’s absurd that anyone would imply that 6 years old is old enough to be roaming around alone. This form of parental absenteeism explains a whole line of problems we are seeing in our society from our kids. Now don’t take this as an across-the-board finger being pointed at you or any other parent. But generally speaking you cannot deny there is a growing problem with our kids today as well as a growing problem with child abduction and sex crimes.

This also isn’t about winning with me. I have watched long enough to realize parents have become increasingly derelict in raising their kids. This story is just a small example of what happens on the extreme side.

As far as what condition the mommy is in does not exempt her from her (or daddy’s) responsibilities to make sure their kids are safe.

can you please point me in the direction where it says that this 6 year old was out roaming around alone?

 

[donbarzini]

I don't want to read too much into the story. We have no idea if the child jumped out in front of the car or ran out in the road or what. If the driver was on a cell phone then he/she will be charged, no doubt. My larger concern is not this accident specifically. I am concerned about this passive attitude toward our kids and the expectation that we can just leave them out there to roam on their own with no real knowledge of anything. A lot of folks are saying "well I roamed the streets alone and I am fine". Yeah, so did this boy and he is dead; so did Ben Ownby and Shawn hornbeck and so many others that never made it home. Consider yourselves lucky.

This incident proves that it is more dangerous in so many ways than when I grew up.

And to answer your question Vrai... When our boy was 6 we knew where he was always and watched him always. That's what parents do. We would never dream of allowing him to walk alone to the bus stop or cross an intersection without our help. I know you believe we are teaching our kids to be all mushy and "retarded", but this kid is neither. He is dead.

"When 'ifs' and 'buts' become candy and nuts; we'll all have a wonderful Christmas"- Don Meredith.

The kid was IN A CROSSWALK. Period.

 

[PsyOps]

He was walking with his two Uncles. His mother is 8 months pregnant. He was in a cross walk. The woman who hit him broke the law. How can you be so arrogant as to blame the parent?

Do you have a link to this report about the uncles? I have not seen it. This was not initially reported and if this is the case I will humbly retract all I said in regard to this one story. Perhaps I jumped the gun on this one.

 

[Larry Gude]

Yes...

Its cases like this that make me favor legislation that prevents people from using their cell phones while driving.

Before cell phones - we had to wait to check the messages on the machine when we got home. Too bad cell phones cannot be fixed so that they will automatically not ring / dial out if your car motor is running. This would force people to have to leave messages on voice mail AND force people to pull over when every they want to place a call to someone.

What do yall think?

...back in the good old days when no one got run over in crosswalks because we had no cell phones.

Cause and effect. If we say cell phones, or more accurately, the distractions brought about by using them while driving, are the cause, the CAUSE of accidents, then we must compare that danger to those of using the radio, smoking and drinking and eating in the car, putting on makeup, reading the paper and having sex while behind the wheel or we're not addressing safety; we're addressing pet peeves which is no way to make law.

I almost pulled out in front of a car the other day while talking to one of my kids. Ban it? How many accidents are there because people are daydreaming? How many accidents are prevented because people have routines such as smoking, radio, drinking coffee, that actually help them relax and concentrate better on driving?

 

[kwillia]

...back in the good old days when no one got run over in crosswalks because we had no cell phones.

Cause and effect. If we say cell phones, or more accurately, the distractions brought about by using them while driving, are the cause, the CAUSE of accidents, then we must compare that danger to those of using the radio, smoking and drinking and eating in the car, putting on makeup, reading the paper and having sex while behind the wheel or we're not addressing safety; we're addressing pet peeves which is no way to make law.

I almost pulled out in front of a car the other day while talking to one of my kids. Ban it? How many accidents are there because people are daydreaming? How many accidents are prevented because people have routines such as smoking, radio, drinking coffee, that actually help them relax and concentrate better on driving?

Hmmm... wonder what would happen to accident statistics if we did not introduce any new laws, but drivers actually started to adhere to existing laws... things such as doing the posted speed limits, obeying stop signs, and obeying traffic signals.

 

[PsyOps]

can you please point me in the direction where it says that this 6 year old was out roaming around alone?

When I started this thread, the only info I was able to find on this was the link I provided at the beginning of this thread and the report I heard on channel 7 last night. Those reports said nothing about a pregnant mother or uncles or anyone that was with the child. Since then others in this forum have stated there was someone with the child (which I have yet to see produced). Perhaps I jumped the gun on this one but I was trying to make a larger point about derelict parents, which is an increasing problem.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

can you please point me in the direction where it says that this 6 year old was out roaming around alone?

See, that's not reported correctly because you can't trust the media.

Please say it Vrai, don't let me down.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

...back in the good old days when no one got run over in crosswalks because we had no cell phones.

Cause and effect. If we say cell phones, or more accurately, the distractions brought about by using them while driving, are the cause, the CAUSE of accidents, then we must compare that danger to those of using the radio, smoking and drinking and eating in the car, putting on makeup, reading the paper and having sex while behind the wheel or we're not addressing safety; we're addressing pet peeves which is no way to make law.

I almost pulled out in front of a car the other day while talking to one of my kids. Ban it? How many accidents are there because people are daydreaming? How many accidents are prevented because people have routines such as smoking, radio, drinking coffee, that actually help them relax and concentrate better on driving?

There's a difference between smoking and using a cell phone. Smoking is so routine that it doesn't distract you. Cell phones on the other hand...

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

As far as what condition the mommy is in does not exempt her from her (or daddy’s) responsibilities to make sure their kids are safe.

Predators roam. They know how to handle these circumstances. They can kill preggy mommy and her fetus and have a new child.

8-months pregnant isn't a valid exemption?