More on an old discusion with Vrai

[PsyOps]

Predators roam. They know how to handle these circumstances. They can kill preggy mommy and her fetus and have a new child.

8-months pregnant isn't a valid exemption?

And a piano can drop from an 8-story window on top of them too. A predator is less likely to kidnap a child with a parent there. And I wasn't implying that it had to be the pregnant mom had to be there. I was saying it was hers (or the dad’s) responsibility to make sure the kid was safe through another trusted adult.

 

[Bustem' Down]

There's a difference between smoking and using a cell phone. Smoking is so routine that it doesn't distract you. Cell phones on the other hand...

Yes and no there Andy. It usually doesn't distract me, but there have been a few times where the butt flew bqck in the window and landed between my back and the seat that almost got me in trouble. Also, the whole lighting a cigarette while driving is usually distracting.

 

[Larry Gude]

Never mind...

Hmmm... wonder what would happen to accident statistics if we did not introduce any new laws, but drivers actually started to adhere to existing laws... things such as doing the posted speed limits, obeying stop signs, and obeying traffic signals.

...let's just keep passing new law upon new law and, pretty soon, everything will have it's own, special law. Besides, we can't just hold people responsible for reckless driving. Why, that's boring.

 

[Larry Gude]

Of course...

There's a difference between smoking and using a cell phone. Smoking is so routine that it doesn't distract you. Cell phones on the other hand...

...you see the absurdity of your statement and merely meant it as comic relief, yes?

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

And a piano can drop from an 8-story window on top of them too.

Please say the parent should see that coming and protect them from that too? Please don't let me down PsyOps.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

I only read the 1st couple posts and saw this heading in the direction of "where are the parents?" so I'd like to add this.

2 weeks ago I saw 2 little girls riding their bikes on Catalina Drive in CRE. I was blown away. They were about 4 and 6 with no adult in sight. The bike was wobbling because they were so small and they were trying to ride on the grass/gravel (there is no shoulder). Cars were popping around the corner and braking hard soon as they saw them. I was afraid one of them was going to fall over into traffic.

Some people should not be allowed to procreate!!

 

[donbarzini]

...let's just keep passing new law upon new law and, pretty soon, everything will have it's own, special law. Besides, we can't just hold people responsible for reckless driving. Why, that's boring.

You're absolutely right. The law already exists. "Failure to pay full time and attention".

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

So parents should not work until their kids turn 18 so they can watch them 24/7 thus not being able to feed them or have a home or any of that. OK, alright, excellent point Mikey.

It's dangerous biking anywhere in Charles County - the county's torn out every bike path for either new homes or widening streets. I learned this. I used to ride my bike everywhere down in Florida. Went to the library after school. Rode my bike home. Only got in one serious bike crash, and at least someone in South Florida will stop and help ya out (if that was up here, SOL). It was also pretty safe to ride your bike. Every street had a bike path, including the main roads.

So, now all the kids have left to do is play basketball in their front yard and have me worried that they'll hit my car, again. Then, where were the parents. :shrug:

They told them to play in the front yard because jackoffs like Psyops and Mike want them on their street 24/7.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

...let's just keep passing new law upon new law and, pretty soon, everything will have it's own, special law. Besides, we can't just hold people responsible for reckless driving. Why, that's boring.

Because they're kids. They're somehow responsible.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

...you see the absurdity of your statement and merely meant it as comic relief, yes?

For the most part...

I can't drive and talk on the phone. If my phone rings, #### you I ain't answering until I can get stopped somewhere.

 

[MMDad]

I only read the 1st couple posts and saw this heading in the direction of "where are the parents?" so I'd like to add this.

2 weeks ago I saw 2 little girls riding their bikes on Catalina Drive in CRE. I was blown away. They were about 4 and 6 with no adult in sight. The bike was wobbling because they were so small and they were trying to ride on the grass/gravel (there is no shoulder). Cars were popping around the corner and braking hard soon as they saw them. I was afraid one of them was going to fall over into traffic.

Some people should not be allowed to procreate!!

I've seen that, too. Did you know it's state law everyone under 16 must wear a helmet when they ride? Do you ever see these 8 year olds wearing helmets as they play chicken with speeding dump trucks?

PsyOps has a point, but he's not making it very well because he is choosing poor examples. Stories come out every day with parents truly neglecting their kids, and nobody would argue with those. There's no reason to debate the judgement calls when the real problem is people who blatantly ignore the safety of their children.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

So parents should not work until their kids turn 18 so they can watch them 24/7 thus not being able to feed them or have a home or any of that. OK, alright, excellent point Mikey.

It's dangerous biking anywhere in Charles County - the county's torn out every bike path for either new homes or widening streets. I learned this. I used to ride my bike everywhere down in Florida. Went to the library after school. Rode my bike home. Only got in one serious bike crash, and at least someone in South Florida will stop and help ya out (if that was up here, SOL). It was also pretty safe to ride your bike. Every street had a bike path, including the main roads.

So, now all the kids have left to do is play basketball in their front yard and have me worried that they'll hit my car, again. Then, where were the parents. :shrug:

They told them to play in the front yard because jackoffs like Psyops and Mike want them on their street 24/7.

Keep posting Andy. This way more and more people can see what a moron you are.

Since when is it ok or LEGAL to leave a 4 and a 6 year old unsupervised much less ride their bikes on a narrow, busy highway??

If you can't or won't watch your kids, DON'T HAVE ANY DUMBASS!!!

It's airheads like you who should be castrated before you breed!!

 

[Mikeinsmd]

I've seen that, too. Did you know it's state law everyone under 16 must wear a helmet when they ride? Do you ever see these 8 year olds wearing helmets as they play chicken with speeding dump trucks?

PsyOps has a point, but he's not making it very well because he is choosing poor examples. Stories come out every day with parents truly neglecting their kids, and nobody would argue with those. There's no reason to debate the judgement calls when the real problem is people who blatantly ignore the safety of their children.

I think Andy fell off his bike and hit his head.

 

[PsyOps]

So parents should not work until their kids turn 18 so they can watch them 24/7 thus not being able to feed them or have a home or any of that. OK, alright, excellent point Mikey.

It's dangerous biking anywhere in Charles County - the county's torn out every bike path for either new homes or widening streets. I learned this. I used to ride my bike everywhere down in Florida. Went to the library after school. Rode my bike home. Only got in one serious bike crash, and at least someone in South Florida will stop and help ya out (if that was up here, SOL). It was also pretty safe to ride your bike. Every street had a bike path, including the main roads.

So, now all the kids have left to do is play basketball in their front yard and have me worried that they'll hit my car, again. Then, where were the parents. :shrug:

They told them to play in the front yard because jackoffs like Psyops and Mike want them on their street 24/7.

My whole point has been from the very beginning: If you are going to have kids, and toss them out there at age 6, 7, 11 (what-have-you) and not supervise them and expect them the negotiate all the dangers with the very little information you have been able to instill in them in such a short period of time, don't go blaming someone else when something goes wrong.

Many of you stated "I did it when I was a kid and look, I'm just fine". If that is your rationale for allowing your child to roam around unsupervised that's your business. I believe you are asking for disaster. If I can be with my child as much as possible to avoid them getting hurt or kidnapped, the odds are much better in my hands than if the child was alone. No one else is responsible for your child except you; and it will be you that has to live with the regret of not being there when disaster strikes.

And if you define me as a jackoff because I care about our kids then you are far more demented than I imagined.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Many of you stated "I did it when I was a kid and look, I'm just fine".

And these are the ones who'd be first in line to sue when their kid get hit by a car on a blind curve.

 

[Mikeinsmd]

Ok, so now I read the entire thread and see that many common sense people I agree with 99% of the time are on the other side of the fence on this one. That's ok, we'd be bored if we all agree'd right?

I stick to my guns that no 6 year old should be walking across a city street by themselves (in or out of the crosswalk) or riding their bikes on busy roads.

I also agree that the driver is negligent & needs that cell phone shoved up her ass horizontally.




P.S. Most of you (who are wrong) prolly wouldn't sue.

 

[hvp05]

My whole point has been from the very beginning

I agree with MMDad; your point is well-founded, but you're not making it very well. This case is probably not the one to have chosen.

The people that have said "I used to do this myself..." possibly had different circumstances. Quieter neighborhood, less-distracted drivers, the intelligence/knowledge of the kid being discussed. I doubt I would let my 6 year old (if I had one) go "roaming around" because, even if I trust him/her, I don't trust other people.

Being 8 months pregnant is not an exemption. If such a thing will prevent one from watching their kids they shouldn't be having more kids. But this kid in D.C. did, apparently, have a guardian. If that's true, I don't think anyone on the victim's side should be blamed here; reasonable protective measures were taken.

This case, if it's an argument against anything, is best an example against cellphone use while driving. Larry has a good point though: crack down on all unnecessary distractions or back off.

 

[PsyOps]

I agree with MMDad; your point is well-founded, but you're not making it very well. This case is probably not the one to have chosen.

The people that have said "I used to do this myself..." possibly had different circumstances. Quieter neighborhood, less-distracted drivers, the intelligence/knowledge of the kid being discussed. I doubt I would let my 6 year old (if I had one) go "roaming around" because, even if I trust him/her, I don't trust other people.

Being 8 months pregnant is not an exemption. If such a thing will prevent one from watching their kids they shouldn't be having more kids. But this kid in D.C. did, apparently, have a guardian. If that's true, I don't think anyone on the victim's side should be blamed here; reasonable protective measures were taken.

This case, if it's an argument against anything, is best an example against cellphone use while driving. Larry has a good point though: crack down on all unnecessary distractions or back off.

I don’t claim to be the most articulate in the world (I know I’ll get it on this one). And I also admitted I used this story before I allowed all the facts pan out; so, you are right, it wasn’t the best example.