More RW propaganda on global warming...

hvp05

Methodically disorganized
ylexot said:
Provide proof of what you consider to be "the truth" and I might agree with you :shrug:
I can hear the phone call now... "Al, buddy! Hey listen, I need you to give me some Global Warming talking points so I can debate this anti-GW crackpot. [pause] Oh, you will personally come out to help? Super. I'll meet you once you've arrived on your private jet..."
 

Seraphim

New Member
Larry Gude said:
If you live in a 'normal' home, CO2 levels run from 350-1,000 ppm. If you live in a stuffy home, it's more like 1,000-2,000 ppm. At this level, people tend to be drowsy. From 2,000-5,000 people get headaches, have trouble concentrating, are sleepy all the time and have elevated heart rates. At all of these levels, though not ideal, plants still live and grow. So do humans.
I would like to know more about this part. Aside from the numbers you gave, what constitutes a 'normal' home? As in, what inside the home causes the numbers to rise or fall? :confused: Is the only way to get the numbers to decrease some, to open the window? What else could be done inside the home to lower the numbers? The reason I ask is because I tend to be sleepy an awful lot and am wondering if there are things I can do to try and reduce those numbers to test whether or not that is in fact where it's coming from. I'm not a scientifically inclined person, by no means. Please bare with me :flowers:
 

ylexot

Super Genius
This could get interesting...
http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?...ine=global_warming_is_lies_claims_documentary
Accepted theories about man causing global warming are "lies" claims a controversial new TV documentary.

‘The Great Global Warming Swindle’ - backed by eminent scientists - is set to rock the accepted consensus that climate change is being driven by humans.

Also, I'm hoping that this is a writer error:
Even the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, is shown, claiming African countries should be encouraged to burn more CO2.
CO2 doesn't burn :rolleyes:
 

ylexot

Super Genius
They also mention Gore's carbon credits...
The programme claims efforts to reduce CO2 are killing Africans, who have to burn fires inside their home, causing cancer and lung damage, because their governments are being encouraged to use wind and solar panels that are not capable of supplying the continent with electricity, instead of coal and oil-burning power stations that could.

Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore is shown saying: "Environmentalists have romanticised peasant life, but this is anti-human.

"They are saying the world’s poorest people should have the world’s most expensive form of form of energy – really saying they can’t have electricity."
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Well...

Seraphim said:
I would like to know more about this part. Aside from the numbers you gave, what constitutes a 'normal' home? As in, what inside the home causes the numbers to rise or fall? :confused: Is the only way to get the numbers to decrease some, to open the window? What else could be done inside the home to lower the numbers? The reason I ask is because I tend to be sleepy an awful lot and am wondering if there are things I can do to try and reduce those numbers to test whether or not that is in fact where it's coming from. I'm not a scientifically inclined person, by no means. Please bare with me :flowers:

...you can breathe, but if you cut down on the exhaling part, that will help, alot. If you have a gas stove, it's pushing those co2 #'s. Fireplace? Do you or your pets fart? Any decaying matter? Your plants emit some co2 from the soil. Dead bodies are real bad co2 sources...

I have two doors that are kinda leaky and I just leave 'em that way. My dad is like "Hey! You got a leaky door! You're wasting energy, boy. A penny saved is a penny earned..." And I'm like "Yeah, right. I ain't giving Al Gore no pretext to come over my house in his Lear, Limo and Lemmings tour to ##### me out and point fingers at me and my philodendron!"

Fresh air. Try keeping a window cracked on each floor for a week and see if you notice a difference.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Well...

ylexot said:
Provide proof of what you consider to be "the truth" and I might agree with you :shrug:


...as Sam Spade has pointed out, it is a matter of fact that the planet is warming.

:jameo:
 

ylexot

Super Genius
Uh oh....
Allegre's second thoughts
Claude Allegre, one of France's leading socialists and among her most celebrated scientists, was among the first to sound the alarm about the dangers of global warming.

"By burning fossil fuels, man increased the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere which, for example, has raised the global mean temperature by half a degree in the last century," Dr. Allegre, a renowned geochemist, wrote 20 years ago in Cles pour la geologie.." Fifteen years ago, Dr. Allegre was among the 1500 prominent scientists who signed "World Scientists' Warning to Humanity," a highly publicized letter stressing that global warming's "potential risks are very great" and demanding a new caring ethic that recognizes the globe's fragility in order to stave off "spirals of environmental decline, poverty, and unrest, leading to social, economic and environmental collapse."

In the 1980s and early 1990s, when concern about global warming was in its infancy, little was known about the mechanics of how it could occur, or the consequences that could befall us. Since then, governments throughout the western world and bodies such as the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change have commissioned billions of dollars worth of research by thousands of scientists. With a wealth of data now in, Dr. Allegre has recanted his views. To his surprise, the many climate models and studies failed dismally in establishing a man-made cause of catastrophic global warming. Meanwhile, increasing evidence indicates that most of the warming comes of natural phenomena. Dr. Allegre now sees global warming as over-hyped and an environmental concern of second rank.
...and he's French! :faint:
 
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