Motorcycle Classes

Larry Gude

Strung Out
No

Counter steering, (press right to go right) works the same on all single track vehicles because the physics are the same

In my view, anyone who takes to motorcycles thinking it's the same as riding a bicycle is in for a rude awakening.

I'm kinda stunned that there is any debate about this given how prominent corners are in motorcyclists troubles and how critical a role suspension and drive play.

Especially coming from you given your experience and knowledge.

In any event, I'll argue all day long that there is a hell of a lot more to riding a motorcycle than 'press right, go right'.
 
In my view, anyone who takes to motorcycles thinking it's the same as riding a bicycle is in for a rude awakening.

I'm kinda stunned that there is any debate about this given how prominent corners are in motorcyclists troubles and how critical a role suspension and drive play.

Especially coming from you given your experience and knowledge.

In any event, I'll argue all day long that there is a hell of a lot more to riding a motorcycle than 'press right, go right'.

Yeah it's a bit more complex. :lol: Example, I could fishtail my bicycle, but only for one down stroke on a pedal, not with a twist of the wrist.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Yeah it's a bit more complex. :lol: Example, I could fishtail my bicycle, but only for one down stroke on a pedal, not with a twist of the wrist.

When it was explained to me, loading and unloading the suspension in a corner, how getting off the gas changes all the physics of how the bike is contacting the ground, how appropriate application of throttle makes the bike work better, it was a complete revelation in how to successfully enter and exit. It was a revelation because it seemed to be counter-intuitive, maintain gas or even speed up to be safer? Nobody is gonna pedal harder on a bicycle if they feel they are entering too fast, if they we even pedaling at all and that's because of having a suspension and how it works. How it changes the physics.

One of the classes I took, there were a couple of high mile guys who, simply put, didn't know what they were doing, even said so. They'd had wrecks, in corners, and were at a loss to what had happened. What they should have done. I mean, everyone was familiar, kinda, with contact patch, what happens during braking, kinda, that you even have a suspension, kinda, slow, look, lean, roll, push right, lean right, go right, all the MSF basic stuff but, Total Control I pulled it all together, and little light bulbs were coming on all day long as guys, and gals, began to understand the physics involved, what trail braking gives you, why it really works, dragging some back brake with a little throttle, and tying all this to the mental and visual.

Lotta 'a ha's!' going on when it all came together as to what's really going on, and why, in a corner, what you want to be going on. Lotta physics changing there.

I just think it's critical because that seems to be the real difference between being on a motorcycle and really riding; the physics of cornering.

:buddies:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Might want to take that class one day. All I know is to keep power on.

Ah, but that is an over simplification. The goal is to navigate the corner successfully and you've got 6 controls to use to find a way to do that; throttle, front and rear brake, clutch, handlebars and body positioning and any number of combinations of those to make it happen.

The revelation, for me anyway, was the goal of transmitting the right 'signals' to the tires, to the contact patches and their limits, buying back margin if you've effed up, all the different ways to achieve it and the ONE indispensable tool ALL those inputs go through; the suspension.

I mean, I was excited when I started having a clue about rake and trail and what makes a bike work at all to begin with, what aps is talking about. But, suspension, now we're talking!

:buddies:
 

FirstGear

New Member
After you get your license, I highly recommend doing some research on "slow Riding skills". anyone can ride a motorcycle fast, it is when going slow (10 mph or slower) is when riders get into trouble.

Slow riding skills are what the motor officer used and train on, send me a PM. I helped start Ride Like a Pro in MD, I now hold private lesson using the same techniques. manuvering a 800-1000 Lbs. motorcycle in close quarters is as easy as riding a bike. It takes time and practice, as a beginer rider I learned from these techniques and took my test with my Road King Classic.
We spend a lot of money on our bike, but we barely spend a dime on learning on how to ride them. During these technique, your rear brakes will be your friend.

But a bike and spend time on it, either in a garage seating on it moving it and get use to what it feels like when you do more the handlebar or lean it side to side. Most riders are caught by surprised when their bike lean further what they are used to, hence they dump it.

Thesse motor officer techniques will teach you to manuever your bike in 24 foot box and doing "U-Trun", cone wave in 12 foot apart and circle, not to mention ride your bike as slow as the average person can walk.

If you attended the "Motorcycle Safety Ralley", I did the "Demo" on the challenge course.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
...anyone can ride a motorcycle fast...

"And there's a flag on the play, John. Looks like a false start..."

Let's not be getting carried away, here. Most of us break/kill ourselves moving right along through a curve faster than our skill level would recommend. I'll take a dump over in the parking lot to a guard rail at 50mph any day and twice, make that three times, on Sundays.

:buddies:
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
"And there's a flag on the play, John. Looks like a false start..."

Let's not be getting carried away, here. Most of us break/kill ourselves moving right along through a curve faster than our skill level would recommend. I'll take a dump over in the parking lot to a guard rail at 50mph any day and twice, make that three times, on Sundays.

:buddies:

He is correct, anybody that can get a motorcyle moving can get it up to 80-90.

Very few can ride at 1.
That's why the slow ride is always a popular event a rallies
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
He is correct, anybody that can get a motorcyle moving can get it up to 80-90.

Very few can ride at 1.
That's why the slow ride is always a popular event a rallies

If there are no curves.

I agree that slow riding is absolutely a skill many are nowhere near good enough at but, it ain't gonna kill you.
 

FirstGear

New Member
I am sure a lot of people have heard the "Tail of the Dragon" In NC/TN, in my 6 years of riding. I've ran and road with countless veteran riders, two specifically were 20-30 years of riding. Six months into my riding career, we decided to hit the dragon, this was the greatest testimony why we should spend alittle time and money on riding techniques. The bottom line the veteran riders had a hard time navigating the entire 11 miles and 318 turns, my experience on the other hand was totally different. After that trip I started a week end free session to share what I've learned.

If you've been riding for sometime, next time you hit a light and have a good distance before you get to the line. slow speed long enough until the entire cycle comes up to the point you don't stop or put your feet down. Go to a stop sign and use the friction zone and do a 3 second stop.

The friction zone and creating the gyro or counter tq on your bike will enable you to take on any curbs with greater confidence. With that said, hence you can make any "U" turn on any given two way street or parking lot.

My first class as a riders coach with ride like a pro, I saw soo many bikes on the ground. this is due to the slow speed requried to navigate, but the at the end of the 2 hourse session. Everyone were confident with what they learned and doing the cone wave and slow riding, not to mention the full circle in a 24 foot box.

This are all attainable, it takes time and practice to get started. Oh yeah, hence I now do private classes for those who fear other seeing them not able to ride well in a parking lot.
 
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If there are no curves.

I agree that slow riding is absolutely a skill many are nowhere near good enough at but, it ain't gonna kill you.

Yep. Only time I fell over on this bike I had come to a stop and didn't notice the shoulder I went to put my foot down on was a bit further than I thought.(it was still dark) Didn't hurt a bit. Except picking it up. Trying to do that while bracing against a dirt slope is not as easy as one might think.
 
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