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angelphish said:
I've done dog training for some time and have studied both compulsion and positive dog training. I don't do 'just a little volunteer work. I work with dogs as a lifestyle. And I have trained dominant dogs without the use of force.
Great, but that still gives you no right to accusation. There are many methods of training dogs and reading these post I found nothing abusive in them. Your way is not the only way. I treat my dogs better than most people treat thier children and so I find your post offensive.
 
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dems4me

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Bustem' Down said:
Great, but that still gives you no right to accusation. There are many methods of training dogs and reading these post I found nothing abusive in them. Your way is not the only way. I treat my dogs better than most people treat thier children and so I find your post offensive.


true that!!! There's are lots of ways to train dogs. :smile:
 
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tikipirate

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angelphish said:
I can't believe anyone still advocates slamming to the ground, slapping, muzzle wrapping or any aggressive and abusive types of training.
I don't think anyone here would ever hurt a dog. What I was describing was the sort of rough play that dogs themselves exhibit to gain dominance. Rough but never abusive.

I personally dislike smacking a dog's face or butt with either a hand or an object, but if it works for some, so be it.

Once a dog accepts a person as the alpha, one should never have to touch the dog to correct its behavior. At that point, my favorite technique is just issuing a correcting command in a very deep voice. Even if a dog gives you a snarly face a deep-voiced 'no' should take care of it.
 

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tikipirate said:
I don't think anyone here would ever hurt a dog. What I was describing was the sort of rough play that dogs themselves exhibit to gain dominance. Rough but never abusive.

I personally dislike smacking a dog's face or butt with either a hand or an object, but if it works for some, so be it.

Once a dog accepts a person as the alpha, one should never have to touch the dog to correct its behavior. At that point, my favorite technique is just issuing a correcting command in a very deep voice. Even if a dog gives you a snarly face a deep-voiced 'no' should take care of it.
Exactly what I have done. When training, it was a light smack, more just to get thier attention. Now I don't have to do that at all.
 
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dems4me

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appyday said:
Remember here we are talking Dems..she would never hurt anything she is too kind...if we told her to smack it it would be a tap tap only...Dems people


:lol: Its a facade... really :killingme:
 

happyappygirl

Rocky Mountain High!!
What Dems is referring too is a dog who consistently BITES her. If he's doing it now, and gets away with it, it will get worse. My method is swift, and only needs to be done a few times at most to get the point across NO TEETH TO HUMAN SKIN EVER NEVER NO WAY. Bite inhibition is done by the mother, and also by the littermates, and is NOT cruel. I think Dems is passive, and as such if this were a bigger dog, she would be in real trouble. As it stands, he's a little dog, but those teeth are SHARP, and bite inhibition needs to be enforced from the beginning. With my puppies i do it from the time they begin to mouth me, when they are just getting teeth, by just making it uncomfortable - squeezing the upper or lower jaw each time they bite, often with not a sound, just the act itself. Once this is established, they rarely if ever actually bite me again. I explain this to the new owers, and go as far as have them put their hands INTO their bowls when they eat to maintain that level of respect. But i have BIG doggies, if i did some of the choke chain pop corrections on little ones I have to do on big ones the little ones would fling through the window :lol:

FWIW, I NEVER smack them, that's just not effective (in my book) they become face shy if you whack them, and my show dogs just can't be like that. My AHHH AHHHHH is often enough to elicit the correct response, but with dog training, it's all about TIMING, like horselady said, you have about a 3-5 second window for them to actually relate the consequence to the action. if you miss that, your correction is for naught. Same thing with potty training. Don't whack them for peeing, just snatch and run, put them out when they're doing it if you catch them. If you whack them for doing it, or drag them back to it, they begin to think the actual act is what got them into trouble and will hide it, or hold it until you aren't looking if that makes sense.
 
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itsbob

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angelphish said:
I can't believe anyone still advocates slamming to the ground, slapping, muzzle wrapping or any aggressive and abusive types of training.

I've fostered more than 30 puppies in the last year and have never had to resort to these kind of outdated techniques. It is true that some folks let their dogs walk all over them but "showing the dog who's dominant" can be done in a passive manner.
Did you vote for Clinton??


Do you think the war in Iraq is wrong?


Do you own a Cindy Sheehan t-shirt?


and last but not least...


Are ya chubby?
 

SAHRAB

This is fun right?
Heard this a long time ago


I think G Gordon Liddy said:
The way a Dog Marks their territory, is they urinate it, letting all other DOGS know that this is his/hers. Best way to get your dog under control - Piss on his head
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
itsbob said:
Did you vote for Clinton??


Do you think the war in Iraq is wrong?


Do you own a Cindy Sheehan t-shirt?


and last but not least...


Are ya chubby?
I may have been stereotyping here, but was I right? by the lack of response I'd say Right on the Money!!
 

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Muzzles 12-20-2005 08:12 AM You are an asshat. Someone should spank your retarded abusive ass, and see what good comes of it.


Put your name to the karma so I know who the simplistic moron who wrote it is. Or are you just afraid that your wrong.
 

SAHRAB

This is fun right?
Bustem' Down said:
Muzzles 12-20-2005 08:12 AM You are an asshat. Someone should spank your retarded abusive ass, and see what good comes of it.


Put your name to the karma so I know who the simplistic moron who wrote it is. Or are you just afraid that your wrong.


haha (it wasnt me) you should see all my karma comments (i mean all the ones i've gotten), now talk about funny
 

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happyappygirl said:
FWIW, I NEVER smack them, that's just not effective (in my book) they become face shy if you whack them, and my show dogs just can't be like that. My AHHH AHHHHH is often enough to elicit the correct response, but with dog training, it's all about TIMING, like horselady said, you have about a 3-5 second window for them to actually relate the consequence to the action. if you miss that, your correction is for naught. Same thing with potty training. Don't whack them for peeing, just snatch and run, put them out when they're doing it if you catch them. If you whack them for doing it, or drag them back to it, they begin to think the actual act is what got them into trouble and will hide it, or hold it until you aren't looking if that makes sense.
My dogs aren't face shy.
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
happyappygirl said:
I teach bite inhibition very quickly and efficiently. When he bites, (ya gotta be QUICK) wrap your hand around the top of his muzzle and squeeze his lips over his shark teeth, until he yips, while telling him "NO BITE" do this consistently each and EVERY time he nips, and he'll stop it on short order. Don't tease him by playing with his face or mouth once you have won the battle or the war will be lost.
This is really good advice. My puppy is a nipper sometimes. He's a really sweet boy, and I'm sure is only doing it as part of play. He was part of a fairly large litter and is used to rough housing with puppies. He'll get a look in his eye and start nipping at our hands and legs (he's a herder :lol:). I tried this little trick about ten minutes ago, and he got ticked and tried to bite me again. I repeated, and he got the picture and started playing with his tail. :yay:
 

Nickel

curiouser and curiouser
happyappygirl said:
:yay: for you - you REPEATED it immediately!! THAT'S what i'm talking about! :biggrin:
He was not a happy boy. :lol: He definitely knows it's not okay now, I'm amazed at how quickly it worked.
 
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