MVA closes Route 5 in Calaway area

glhs837

Power with Control
Did you read the same letter that I did? Because I see all kinds of fault in the driver that caused Ryan's accident, as I see all kinds of fault in the Callaway accident's driver.

The bastages that cause these accidents need to be held accountable for the devistation they inflict on innocent people.

Hmmm, she did one thing, maybe two wrong, but it's not in same class as the Callaway guy, who, after causing one wreck, proceeded to drive in a dangerous manner and killed two folks.

The teen girl, she didn't see the biker, and failed to yield to him. Neither were things she intended to do, I believe. she is culpable, dont get me wrong, but not in the same class. One is the person who looks you in the eye while jamming a knife between your ribs, the other in the person who turns around with a knife just as you walk around the corner.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Did you read the same letter that I did? Because I see all kinds of fault in the driver that caused Ryan's accident, as I see all kinds of fault in the Callaway accident's driver.

The bastages that cause these accidents need to be held accountable for the devistation they inflict on innocent people.

I read a lot about his injuries, his family, and his rehabilitation.. all VERY sad..

But the details of the accident, there was no malice on her part. Without malice or intent the only thing she is guilty of is "Failure to Yield".

Looking at the accident scene photos it's hard to believe she didn't see him, but it happens all the time.

People don't look for, and don't see motorcycles, that's a simple fact. Riders need to know this and act accordingly.
 

Booboo3604

Active Member
I read a lot about his injuries, his family, and his rehabilitation.. all VERY sad..

But the details of the accident, there was no malice on her part. Without malice or intent the only thing she is guilty of is "Failure to Yield".

Looking at the accident scene photos it's hard to believe she didn't see him, but it happens all the time.

People don't look for, and don't see motorcycles, that's a simple fact. Riders need to know this and act accordingly.

How do you feel about her failing the drug test but it being dismissed on a technicality? Where had it stuck, she would be facing serious felonies...

I just like to understand where people of differing opinions get to their stance
 

glhs837

Power with Control
How do you feel about her failing the drug test but it being dismissed on a technicality? Where had it stuck, she would be facing serious felonies...

I just like to understand where people of differing opinions get to their stance



If I read it right, she popped positive for pot. Unlike alcohol, pot stays in your system for quite some time, long beyond any affect it has on the person. If you smoked some days or weeks ago, you can still test positive, but unless you are a chronic user, its not affecting your perceptions any. That would most likely why it was dismissed.
 
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Booboo3604

Active Member
If I read it right, she popped positive for pot. Unlike alcohol, pot stays in your system for quite some time, long beyond any affect it has on the person. If you smoked some days or weeks ago, you can still test positive, but unless you are a chronic user, its not affecting your perceptions any. That would most likely why it was dismissed.

They had the results of what she tested positive for when they charged her...
 

Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
I read a lot about his injuries, his family, and his rehabilitation.. all VERY sad..

But the details of the accident, there was no malice on her part. Without malice or intent the only thing she is guilty of is "Failure to Yield".

Looking at the accident scene photos it's hard to believe she didn't see him, but it happens all the time.

People don't look for, and don't see motorcycles, that's a simple fact. Riders need to know this and act accordingly.

Blood test after the accident revealed marijuana in the girl's system.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
And saying "we know drivers don't see bikers", to me, is akin to saying "politicians lie to get reelected", then reelecting them. Acceptance of a bad thing enables that bad thing. Punishing those who demonstrate that are not aware of their surroundings is one way to not accept that excuse. And failing to yield to a vehicle on the right of way is illegal, she turned in front of him, Bob.
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I agree, really I do..

But we aren't going to change human nature, and we can't REALLY control what people see and don't see. We can make it REALLY hard for them not to see us.. but in the end there is no gurantee that they will.

Bad situation all the way around.

In addition, the letters, posts mention the expensive helmet he was wearing, and true it's a good helmet and probably saved his life, but they don't talk about any other gear he was wearing. Was he wearing his Hanes 100% cotton riding T?? His abrasion resistant, armored Shorts?

Granted it's each individuals choice what to wear and not to wear (rightfully so) but you have to be willing to accept the outcome of your choices. We choose to ride a bike, we also chose what risk reduction strategies we take..
 
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glhs837

Power with Control
They had the results of what she tested positive for when they charged her...

Okay, not sure what you mean. My point was that a blood test the day of the accident that shows marijuana does not mean she was under the influence of it at the time of the crash. I am pretty sure it doesn't show with any accuracy how long ago you used it, or how much you used. Its not like a BAC, where you can say .10 means that X amount of alcohol was in the persons system, it doesnt work that way.

So unless they found some on the scene that showed it had been just smoked, proving it was a factor would be a very hard thing to prove.
 

JLS

Member
I'm all for justice being served but don't believe in someone being just a nasty btch.. we are all sitting on our pedastals talking about people with diabetes or a predisposition shouldn't be driving .. I hate to tell ya - people with diabetes and other health issues drive everyday.. people with heart issues - people with diabetes - people with other syncope's that they may be fine one minute and pass out the next.. it could be you - it could've been me - anyone could pass out from just plain old being dehydrated.. IF that is what happened - it could've been any one of the people who look at this website everyday.. Whatever the outcome of whatever happened to the driver - will come out and it will be taken care of...

People who like to see justice served. :yay:
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
I'm all for justice being served but don't believe in someone being just a nasty btch.. we are all sitting on our pedastals talking about people with diabetes or a predisposition shouldn't be driving .. I hate to tell ya - people with diabetes and other health issues drive everyday.. people with heart issues - people with diabetes - people with other syncope's that they may be fine one minute and pass out the next.. it could be you - it could've been me - anyone could pass out from just plain old being dehydrated.. IF that is what happened - it could've been any one of the people who look at this website everyday.. Whatever the outcome of whatever happened to the driver - will come out and it will be taken care of...

So you believe he was passed out or comatose from diabetic shock, rear ended somebody, stopped... then decided to leave the scene at a high rate of speed all while unconscious??

Sorry, not buying it... What he did was intentional.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Whatever the outcome of whatever happened to the driver - will come out and it will be taken care of...

Doubtful..

I believe that in the past he's blamed, and the family has excused his actions, because of his condition.. and they will try (are TRYING) to do the same thing here.

More than likely he won't even lose his license over this, and very doubtful he will spend any time in prison or on probation, all because of his disable..
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Just drove that stretch yesterday, while thinking about this. To make it from the one place to the other, you have to actively be involved with your driving, there are turns in there. Nobody who is seized up or unconscious could make it that far, you would be off the road very fast.
 

DoWhat

Deplorable
PREMO Member
Doubtful..

I believe that in the past he's blamed, and the family has excused his actions, because of his condition.. and they will try (are TRYING) to do the same thing here.

More than likely he won't even lose his license over this, and very doubtful he will spend any time in prison or on probation, all because of his disable..

Racial riots.
 

Booboo3604

Active Member
Okay, not sure what you mean. My point was that a blood test the day of the accident that shows marijuana does not mean she was under the influence of it at the time of the crash. I am pretty sure it doesn't show with any accuracy how long ago you used it, or how much you used. Its not like a BAC, where you can say .10 means that X amount of alcohol was in the persons system, it doesnt work that way.

So unless they found some on the scene that showed it had been just smoked, proving it was a factor would be a very hard thing to prove.

What I'm saying is regardless if she wasn't smoking a joint in the vehicle on the way home, it was in her system. The DA knew she had only tested positive for marijuana when they charged her criminally that resulted in her initially being arrested. And from my understanding, Indiana is a zero tolerence state. Had the results stuck, that girl would hopefully be sitting in a jail cell and might actually be realizing what she did to this family....
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
What I'm saying is regardless if she wasn't smoking a joint in the vehicle on the way home, it was in her system. The DA knew she had only tested positive for marijuana when they charged her criminally that resulted in her initially being arrested. And from my understanding, Indiana is a zero tolerence state. Had the results stuck, that girl would hopefully be sitting in a jail cell and might actually be realizing what she did to this family....

So if you had a drink six weeks ago, and the cops tested and said "She has alcohol in her system" at a traffic accident you should be tried, found guilty and sent to prison??
 
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