My thoughts

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Only for the period while they are in the "states" possession. Satisfaction of the sentence is all that should happen. Once freed and returned to society they should enjoy all the rights of the citizens.

Couple of things here - If one uses a gun (or any arm) in a criminal manner they should face penalty for that. If it is a serious enough crime then they shouldn't be returned to society. I'll ask, what about those that commit non-violent felonies? You okay with them having arms?

Yeah that is the problem, letting criminals out that should remain locked up or have been executed for the crimes committed
 

gemma_rae

Well-Known Member
Rights cannot be taken from us, but we can be separated from them if incarcerated or dead.

What was I thinking???

Thinking Think GIF by sophiaamoruso
 

Gilligan

#*! boat!
PREMO Member
Only for the period while they are in the "states" possession. Satisfaction of the sentence is all that should happen. Once freed and returned to society they should enjoy all the rights of the citizens.
And then we have the vast majority of them that are simply in a rotating door...commit the felony with a firearm, get jailed, get released, wash, rinse, repeat many, many times over.

So the whole point of your argument, while valid, is effectively moot most of the time.
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Of course it is, jail is a punishment for committing a crime. At that point you are a possession of the "state". They are responsible for your protection, care, etc. for the duration of the sentence where you do not have liberty.

Only for the period while they are in the "states" possession. Satisfaction of the sentence is all that should happen. Once freed and returned to society they should enjoy all the rights of the citizens.

Couple of things here - If one uses a gun (or any arm) in a criminal manner they should face penalty for that. If it is a serious enough crime then they shouldn't be returned to society. I'll ask, what about those that commit non-violent felonies? You okay with them having arms?

As to voting, that has been left mostly to the states. Some states return voting rights upon completion of sentence, some states allow those serving terms to vote. There is no national standard on who can vote only on what can't be used to deny the vote (sex, age, race).
I repeat my Statement------------- I don't know how that pertains to real law, but it's what i believe. If a person cannot own a gun without using it in a criminal manner they should not be allowed to have one . 2nd. Amendment or not. In the same manner that person who is a criminal should not be allowed to vote.

That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
 

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
But protesters have been USING fireworks and fireworks type explosives at protests - in addition to rocks, bricks, baseball bats and - for reasons I don't get - water bottles which have been frozen.
You are too good of a person to understand them Sam.

The frozen water bottle has many uses. Throw it through a window, at a cops head etc, but also if someone has to hide out they have a multi use item, they can stay hydrated, cool. Also if caught with one their lawyer will simply claim they were staying hydrated and cool on their nightly walk. If their leaders fingerprints are discovered on one that was thrown through a window they can claim they were simply giving water to the less fortunate and they never intended it to be thrown through a window.
 

HemiHauler

Well-Known Member
I repeat my Statement------------- I don't know how that pertains to real law, but it's what i believe. If a person cannot own a gun without using it in a criminal manner they should not be allowed to have one . 2nd. Amendment or not. In the same manner that person who is a criminal should not be allowed to vote.

That is my opinion and I am sticking to it.
Good thing the law isn’t based on the nutty thoughts rolling around in that empty noggin of yours.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
So comments made me think -

Certainly the framers MUST have lived in a time where there existed SOMEONE who shouldn't be toting a gun?
I mean, don't we all get all indignant over the idea that they at least only INTENDED for white male property owners to have the right to vote, at least, initially?

Just spitballin' here.

Because we already possess reasonable constraints - like an age. We limit voting to those 18 and older. You can't give a child a gun.

I guess what concerns me is, we NOW live in a world where guns exist - and we have very vulnerable places where people are helpless. And it pains me to think the only way to protect children in schools is for there to be those WITH guns there, but the cops in Nashville took down that shooter inside of 14 minutes. NOT fast enough to save 6 people, but faster than they could even unload all guns.

I don't want to take away anyone's guns - as one commenter said here - Ken? - it's the only right that says "shall not be infringed" although EVERYWHERE that clause is just ignored. But common sense MUST mean, they knew that some constraints were sensible.

And we clearly do NOT have an answer for school shootings. Every time they happen, the left has the same answer. It's time they get one from the right. One that makes MORE sense.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
And we clearly do NOT have an answer for school shootings. Every time they happen, the left has the same answer. It's time they get one from the right. One that makes MORE sense.


Gun Free Zones make for mass shootings ...
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
So comments made me think -

Certainly the framers MUST have lived in a time where there existed SOMEONE who shouldn't be toting a gun?
I mean, don't we all get all indignant over the idea that they at least only INTENDED for white male property owners to have the right to vote, at least, initially?
Of course they lived in such a time. And it was much more problematic then the self-made crises we deal with nowadays. The arms back then were used for protection and sustenance. on a greater level than today.
Just spitballin' here.

Because we already possess reasonable constraints - like an age. We limit voting to those 18 and older. You can't give a child a gun.

I guess what concerns me is, we NOW live in a world where guns exist - and we have very vulnerable places where people are helpless. And it pains me to think the only way to protect children in schools is for there to be those WITH guns there, but the cops in Nashville took down that shooter inside of 14 minutes. NOT fast enough to save 6 people, but faster than they could even unload all guns.

I don't want to take away anyone's guns - as one commenter said here - Ken? - it's the only right that says "shall not be infringed" although EVERYWHERE that clause is just ignored. But common sense MUST mean, they knew that some constraints were sensible.

And we clearly do NOT have an answer for school shootings. Every time they happen, the left has the same answer. It's time they get one from the right. One that makes MORE sense.
Now? Its always been that way since there were guns, before that other killing tools existed. I think the key is when you say "people are helpless". It is what has become when you place your safety in another's hands. As to an answer to the school shootings - harden the target. You want schools safe you've got to be able to do it, unfortunately that means armed people ready to respond.
 
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