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Do you believe spanking your child is a felony?

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smcop

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This_person said:
I thought probably cause was something needed for a warrentless search, like of a car pulled over that smells like pot - then looking for the pot without a warrent? I thought the job of the officer was to determine who probably performed a crime, not the probable cause of a crime?

I will just speak to this. Although police don't determine innocent or guilt, if a police officer makes an arrest, on a child abuse case, it has been my experience that 100% of the time the arrested individual has plead guilty or been found guilty. Does that mean that each time an officer arrests someone in a child abuse case the person is wrong, no, but the odds certainly are against them. Again, this has been MY experience, and may or may not be the experience of other police officers.

Now Probable cause: Probable cause can give you the ability to conduct a warrantless search of a vehicle due to exigent circumstances with the vehicle. Probable cause is what you would need to obtain a search warrant in any circumstance where there is not an exergent circumstance.
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This_person

This_person

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smcop said:
Although police don't determine innocent or guilt, if a police officer makes an arrest, on a child abuse case, it has been my experience that 100% of the time the arrested individual has plead guilty or been found guilty.
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That's good, that means that the system is working as intended.
Does that mean that each time an officer arrests someone in a child abuse case the person is wrong, no, but the odds certainly are against them. Again, this has been MY experience, and may or may not be the experience of other police officers.
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I'm glad that you realize this. It significantly changes the concept that, if a parent gets arrested for alleged child abuse, there's always a reason. "Odds against them" is very different than there's definately a reason, wouldn't you agree?

Again, all I was trying to say is you were right when you said that it's wrong to assume that just because a policeman arrests someone - for anything - that there is a reason to assume the policeman is right. By stating a few lines later that exact attitude, you were perpetuating the attitude that you just called wrong. That was my only point.
 
Dork

Dork

Highlander's MPD
There's 6 people who voted against spanking. They have to be kids or liberals. I can't imagine any grown mature adult voting that way.
 
Dork

Dork

Highlander's MPD
FerretRescue said:
So I guess he got his daughter back?
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I don't know. Did he? I don't know the whole story but ideally, it would be nice if they could place this child with a normal family and not make her grow up with two men parents. If two guys wanna be together, fine. I just think it's right to raise kids in this environment if there is a better alternative.
 
FerretRescue

FerretRescue

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Dork said:
I don't know. Did he? I don't know the whole story but ideally, it would be nice if they could place this child with a normal family and not make her grow up with two men parents. If two guys wanna be together, fine. I just think it's right to raise kids in this environment if there is a better alternative.
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I have to agree. I feel bad for that though. I know two people who fall in love most the time want to experience being a parent but I am with you. I just don't see it 20 years from now what an impact it made on her life by having two dads. I could be wrong and if I am insulting anyone I am sorry.
 
MMDad

MMDad

Lem Putt
Dork said:
I don't know. Did he? I don't know the whole story but ideally, it would be nice if they could place this child with a normal family and not make her grow up with two men parents. If two guys wanna be together, fine. I just think it's right to raise kids in this environment if there is a better alternative.
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I'm more concerned about her being beaten by one of her "dads." If he's willing to smack the crap out of her in public, what does he do to her in private?
 
FerretRescue

FerretRescue

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MMDad said:
I'm more concerned about her being beaten by one of her "dads." If he's willing to smack the crap out of her in public, what does he do to her in private?
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I don't understand it. Married couples who long to adopt children most the time can't because of all the paperwork or the time wait.

How can it be acceptable?
 
MMDad

MMDad

Lem Putt
FerretRescue said:
I don't understand it. Married couples who long to adopt children most the time can't because of all the paperwork or the time wait.

How can it be acceptable?
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While I disagree with the whole homosexual lifestyle, I'm not willing to say that a loving gay couple is worse than not being adopted at all. The effect on the kid can be debated until we all turn blue.

However, this case is about somebody publicly beating a child he has custody of. Gay or straight, that's wrong and I feel sorry for this kid because of that.

The only reason orientation is a factor at all is that the perpetrator of the beating tried to use his preference to divert attention from what he did and blame the "redneck cops" who arrested him. It's wrong to do that whether they are using race, age, gender, or in this case perversion.
 
MMDad

MMDad

Lem Putt
Dork said:
There's 6 people who voted against spanking. They have to be kids or liberals. I can't imagine any grown mature adult voting that way.
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By the way, you can click on the vote tally and see who voted for what. MissPerky and I voted for both yes answers and both no answers because the poll should not have been multiple choice. Chainsaw is trying to be funny (he thinks child abuse is funny). that means there was one real "no" vote.
 
FerretRescue

FerretRescue

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MMDad said:
While I disagree with the whole homosexual lifestyle, I'm not willing to say that a loving gay couple is worse than not being adopted at all. The effect on the kid can be debated until we all turn blue.

However, this case is about somebody publicly beating a child he has custody of. Gay or straight, that's wrong and I feel sorry for this kid because of that.

The only reason orientation is a factor at all is that the perpetrator of the beating tried to use his preference to divert attention from what he did and blame the "redneck cops" who arrested him. It's wrong to do that whether they are using race, age, gender, or in this case perversion.
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I just do not know enough to even really comment on it. Each couple is different. I just do not know what type of impact it would have on a child growing up with two same sex parents. If any. It would be hard to nail it down I suppose because who is to say it was because of that and not the individuals. Tricky topic.

What I am confused about is, with the adpotion system the way it is making it very difficult for what people would consider a typical couple, how can it be that so many same sex couples seem to be able to adopt.

Is it because they really are exceptional parents or is it because we as a society want to be PC?

I know I am going off topic but what kind of a impact do you or anyone in here think a same sex couple has or will have when raising a child?
 
Dork

Dork

Highlander's MPD
AndyMarquisLIVE said:
Look up John Shay, best there is.
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Yeah, having a good attorney is probably how so may homos are able to adopt. Sad but true. I do think in an ideal situation, a child is best raised by a mother and a father. In today's world, due to teen pregnancy, divorces, etc., it's not always possible. I don't agree that two gay people should be raising a kid unless it was born naturally by one of them before they turned gay. It would be horrible as a child to have to tell people you have two gay dads. If I were a child in this situation, I would lie to everyone and hope that my two homo dads didn't show up for the school play to watch me dance in my tights.

Gays who adopt kids are doing so to meet their wants and desires. It's not in the best interest of the child but, hey , as long as you have a good lawyer, lots of money and a lesbian judge, you can adopt.
 
FerretRescue

FerretRescue

bite me
Dork said:
Yeah, having a good attorney is probably how so may homos are able to adopt. Sad but true. I do think in an ideal situation, a child is best raised by a mother and a father. In today's world, due to teen pregnancy, divorces, etc., it's not always possible. I don't agree that two gay people should be raising a kid unless it was born naturally by one of them before they turned gay. It would be horrible as a child to have to tell people you have two gay dads. If I were a child in this situation, I would lie to everyone and hope that my two homo dads didn't show up for the school play to watch me dance in my tights.

Gays who adopt kids are doing so to meet their wants and desires. It's not in the best interest of the child but, hey , as long as you have a good lawyer, lots of money and a lesbian judge, you can adopt.
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I am not sure if it would be a good thing or a bad thing. I was just wondering how it is so hard for a normal couple to adopt and it seems that gay couples are able to adopt faster.
 
MMDad

MMDad

Lem Putt
This case is closed, all charges not prosecuted. Either there was no crime commited, or this guy got away with it.
 
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