New law for those of us with historic tags

Hijinx

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http://www.ricksplates.com/maryland/mdyom.htm

So the 73 F100 is eligible, but since the requirement says that the tag must be stamped for the model year. And from 71-75, MD used tags stamped 71 and issued stickers for 72-75. And from what he says,the MVA sometimes says you have to ones stamped with the exact year, even though they dont exist.

If you look around you can find them. Most people just put one year tag on over the top of the others , and you have to carefully peel them off till you get to 73.
That's what I did. need a little luck sometimes.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
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I've got quite a few vehicles with Historic tags but since I don't drive them regularly (hardly at all), this wouldn't appear to affect me. I was wondering when/if the state was going to crack down on the misuse of the tags...because it is obvious that they are being misused on a wholesale level.

And they do have "free" Historic tags too. If your vehicle is over 50 years old (I think it is), you can get Historic Permanent tags for a one-time fee. I'm going with those on my old Triumph...had them on my '47 Harley.
But you do work from home, you're screwed.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
:yay:



I just remembered NO EMISSIONS Test Either


Of course, if you lived in the Best County, that wouldn't be an issue :)


If you look around you can find them. Most people just put one year tag on over the top of the others , and you have to carefully peel them off till you get to 73.
That's what I did. need a little luck sometimes.

From what they guy was saying, though, sometimes people get turned down by the MVA, some drone reads the letter of it, meaning the year must be stamped, and denies it. Always one wiener in the crowd that refuses to bow to reality. In the MVA, most likely more than average :)
 

officeguy

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$ 55 dollars for 2 yrs - but of a greater concern there is no Safety Inspection

so you can get your 25 yr old hoopty slap some historic tags on it and be driving an unsafe motor vehicle
which is kinda stupid because after a couple of yrs, with no annual inspection, you could still be driving an unsafe piece of crap

The idiocy of the Maryland inspection regime is baffling to start with. You have to get it inspected when you buy it but after that, nobody cares.

I wish the inspection was less comprehensive but more frequent. The old NY upstate inspection worked like that:

Brakes: Present
Brake-lights: work
Tires: not completely bald
Headlights: work
Parking Brake: Works
Cathalytic converter: Present

The price was fixed at $7 and because it was so limited in scope, there was little opportunity for the shops to fleece owners the way the MD inspection shops do.

I just remembered NO EMISSIONS Test Either

That's the big one. The emissions test on older cars is a joke anyways. Pre OBD-2 cars can't really tested without a roller test stand and they did away with those 10 years ago.


I don't have a problem with cops now being able to put repair orders on unsafe 'historic' vehicles. No well maintained collector car will have difficulties passing a roadside inspection. They are not measuring your brake rotors with a micrometer, they check weather you have tread on the tires and whether you lights work. There is no reason why a 'historic' car has to be in bad maintenance condition.
In my experience, if you have a nice collector car and you don't drive like an idiot, all you get is a thumbs-up from the cops.
 

dave1959

Active Member
Historic tags have always been " for occasional use only"... I think the change in the law is because they have been taken advantage of and got out of hand. Now they have so a way to crack down and get them back to their intended use.

"A vehicle registered as historic cannot be used for general daily transportation, or primarily for the transportation of passengers or property on highways. It can only be used in exhibitions, club activities, parades, tours, occasional transportation and similar uses"
 
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GURPS

INGSOC
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That's the big one. The emissions test on older cars is a joke anyways. Pre OBD-2 cars can't really tested without a roller test stand and they did away with those 10 years ago.


I always thought an emissions test for anything that qualified for historic tags was ridiculous anyway.

but no with standard tags - the vehicle has to be 40 yrs old, before you no longer have to get emission tested

Historic tags have always been " for occasional use only"...

yeah and I drove my Jeep with Historic Tags one summer, because my wife's Bronco was in the shop for 3 months
 

glhs837

Power with Control
tail pipe sniffer - like the days before the Chassis Dyno

But nobody has those anymore. Cost effectiveness of keeping those devices around and calibrated for a number of vehicles that is vanishingly small in circulation just isn't there. Not sure how many pre-96 vehicles are running around, but pretty sure as a percentage it's pretty small.
 

PeoplesElbow

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People abused the crap out of the law, I am sorry but a 1995 Honda Civic is not historic and there is no reason you should pay less for the registration if it is your daily driver.

Now if the topic is MD charges too much for registration etc I agree.
 

Chris0nllyn

Well-Known Member
But nobody has those anymore. Cost effectiveness of keeping those devices around and calibrated for a number of vehicles that is vanishingly small in circulation just isn't there. Not sure how many pre-96 vehicles are running around, but pretty sure as a percentage it's pretty small.

Pretty sure Prince Frederick emissions station still has it.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
People abused the crap out of the law, I am sorry but a 1995 Honda Civic is not historic and there is no reason you should pay less for the registration if it is your daily driver.

Now if the topic is MD charges too much for registration etc I agree.


Not to you perhaps, but to car people, perhaps so. How about a 1984 Civc CRX Si?
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
The idiocy of the Maryland inspection regime is baffling to start with. You have to get it inspected when you buy it but after that, nobody cares.

I wish the inspection was less comprehensive but more frequent. The old NY upstate inspection worked like that:

Brakes: Present
Brake-lights: work
Tires: not completely bald
Headlights: work
Parking Brake: Works
Cathalytic converter: Present

The price was fixed at $7 and because it was so limited in scope, there was little opportunity for the shops to fleece owners the way the MD inspection shops do.



That's the big one. The emissions test on older cars is a joke anyways. Pre OBD-2 cars can't really tested without a roller test stand and they did away with those 10 years ago.


I don't have a problem with cops now being able to put repair orders on unsafe 'historic' vehicles. No well maintained collector car will have difficulties passing a roadside inspection. They are not measuring your brake rotors with a micrometer, they check weather you have tread on the tires and whether you lights work. There is no reason why a 'historic' car has to be in bad maintenance condition.
In my experience, if you have a nice collector car and you don't drive like an idiot, all you get is a thumbs-up from the cops.
Unless it's changed recently I don't think St. marys county requires emissions tests,
 

glhs837

Power with Control
In collectors condition, that CRX won't have any difficulty passing a cursory safety inspection by the roadside.


I wasn't speaking to the inspection, but to what constitutes a historic vehicle. One thing about the safety equipment inspections, and why older ones are immune, perhaps. Do you know when CHMSLs were introduced? What model year of cars were required to have not just lap belts but also shoulder belts? When were side markers lights made mandatory? I think rather than try and turn officers into walking talking auto historians, they picked a poit in time when most of the items we all know and love like the above things were in place. Not much external configuration changes so inspection is simple.
 

glhs837

Power with Control
Unless it's changed recently I don't think St. marys county requires emissions tests,

They do not. Not that there has not been a push now and again from the repair lobby to make it statewide, using the fig leaf of commonality and love of the planet. But the EPA only requires emissions inspections in areas where air quality tests have shown a need, and MDs rural areas have not been dinged yet and so have fought that effort.
 
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