New Maryland Regulations endanger pets & chldren

[Inkpen]

I started trapping rats with these traps when I was a very young child so please get your facts straight, it is not difficult in the least to remove a foot trap. ( You simply step on the spring strap and the trap falls open ) “I was doing this at age 8” Yes small dogs and cats could be caught in these traps if the owners are so irresponsible as to allow there pet to run free in a rat infested area , do we let them run free in the street ? Maybe we should complain about cars being dangerous . Would you prefer to live in a rat infested area ? Why kill them rather quickly with a trap when a very slow painful agonizing death by poison seems better ?

Get realistic ! If infestation is a problem it has to be dealt with in one way or another. I have never known a child that got caught in a trap, as trappers are rather careful as to how and were they set them. Poisoning on the other hand is a major problem to both pets , children and the environment.

DE: I respect you and admire you as a skilled photographer, but I disagree with you on this point.

I have photos of a trap and the animal caught in it. It dragged the leg hold trap for miles and days until it was finally caught and brought to a rehabber.
Animal died, despite all attempts to treat its wounds and damaged leg.

Who ever set tis trap out did not secure it to a tree, etc,.
Not all people who have traps use them as directed, and animals die as a result.

I have nothing against anyone who hunts and uses, eats what they kill.
I do have a problem with folks who kill for fun, or because they have a gun and want to use it, or want to play with a trap to see what they get.

I have no probelm with responsible, humane hunters.
I Do have a problem with all the rest.
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And about the rats.....

If you remove the food source, you will remove the rat/critter issues.

No food, no pest issues.

 

[tommyjones]

FYI:
Not all Wildlife Control Cooperators are "paid professionals".

so????

obviously maryland regulates these activities as is evidenced by the CHANGE in REGULATIONS

 

[Inkpen]

one of the main things that are trapped as nusience in MD are Nutria. More so on the eastern shore.
Nutria usually have a negative impact on other wildlife species. Because they are colonial in habitat, nutria often overharvest edible plants within their small range, resulting in the killing of the desirable plant species. These "eat-outs" destroy productivity as often less desirable plants replace the more desirable ones. Large populations of nutria definitely have a negative impact on the ability of the habitat to support both muskrats and waterfowl.
NTA - Nutria

removing these animals and placing them somewhere else doesn't solve the problem, it just spreads it and makes it somebody else's.

FYI: These are not native animals..and are not regulated by DNR, other than listing them as a pest species.
And they are not relocated!!!!!!!!!

 

[Inkpen]

so????

obviously maryland regulates these activities as is evidenced by the CHANGE in REGULATIONS

Just wanted to set the facts straight....that is all.
And just because it is regulated does not mean that all WCC do thier job in the most humane manner.

 

[tommyjones]

FYI: These are not native animals..and are not regulated by DNR, other than listing them as a pest species.
And they are not relocated!!!!!!!!!

ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE A PEST, like a giant rat that lives in the river

 

[Inkpen]

What you think they can't walk back? Exactly how FAR are you willing to drive to relocate??
I personally don't care HOW you kill a critter that could be harmful to my kid/other critters.
Ie:
opossums and EPM
Foxes, coons etc. and Rabies a fox jumped in a neighbor's dog kennel last year which WAS rabid....
My poor chickens are loosing the battle against 'em
Gawd help the wayward copperhead in my vicinity....many times my boot heel has smelled like cucumber.

Wow...angry at nature today!!!

If you keep a clean area...and keep all food in critter proof containers and clean up your poop, you will not attrack critters that were forced out when you moved in.

Chickens that are left to roam are free food...
And the kennel should have had a cover on it or the dog kept inside execpt when doing its thing.

Dont blame widlife for your misfortunes.
Clean up your space and there will be nothing to attract citters to your place and put your kids ar risk.

 

[Inkpen]

ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE A PEST, like a giant rat that lives in the river

So what is you point? I said they are not relocated..they are destroyed...they are a pest species...

 

[happyappygirl]

Wow...angry at nature today!!!

If you keep a clean area...and keep all food in critter proof containers and clean up your poop, you will not attrack critters that were forced out when you moved in.

Chickens that are left to roam are free food...
And the kennel should have had a cover on it or the dog kept inside execpt when doing its thing.

Dont blame widlife for your misfortunes.
Clean up your space and there will be nothing to attract citters to your place and put your kids ar risk.

on 26 acres in the woods? not on your life.
It was the neighbors dog/kennel. The RABID fox climbed into a 6' high chain link kennel. A completely satisfactory and humane way to keep their dog from being confined in a crate or on a chain all day when no one is home.
My chickens loose the battle even when inside their fenced 1 acre enclosure, and the stupid things dig under it.
Get a grip. They are dangerous pests, that come into the civilized world uninvited. I'm not angry, except at some people's opinions based on the fact that they just don't get it. A farmer has the right to protect his livestock in any way he sees fit. Period.
awww....go ahead and pet the little bitty cute fuzzy-wuzzy RABID fox who wanders right up to you like a puppy in the morning when you put the dogs out.....

 

[Inkpen]

on 26 acres in the woods? not on your life.
It was the neighbors dog/kennel. The RABID fox climbed into a 6' high chain link kennel. A completely satisfactory and humane way to keep their dog from being confined in a crate or on a chain all day when no one is home.
My chickens loose the battle even when inside their fenced 1 acre enclosure, and the stupid things dig under it.
Get a grip. They are dangerous pests, that come into the civilized world uninvited. I'm not angry, except at some people's opinions based on the fact that they just don't get it. A farmer has the right to protect his livestock in any way he sees fit. Period.
awww....go ahead and pet the little bitty cute fuzzy-wuzzy RABID fox who wanders right up to you like a puppy in the morning when you put the dogs out.....

Actually I shot the fox in the head...well the cop did..tried to get into my house...and fox tested + for rabies.
Closed up the cat window and that ended that.

Anyway, you are of the mind to not help here, and I respect your opinion and the right to defend "your" property from the animals that were there first.

Hopefully, the next time you need surgery, or your pets do or your family, the Docs use something to knock yu out so you dont feel the pain of a scaple cutting you wide open...
Why cancer patients are given so much morphine adn other pain killing meds..to make their final days more painfree...it is the humane thing to do.

When you need to have an animal put down, how do you do it?

Think about that for a moment...how you react to pain ..

This is about the HUMANE manner in which animals are killed...and why there are so many laws on the books about how we are allowed to kill people.

 

[Dead Eye]

I apologize if my opinion about trapping verses poisoning was offensive to anyone. Yes there are those who improperly set the trap and the consequences are sad. The Chesapeake bay and its tributaries are a very fragile ecosystem that has suffered a detrimental blow in recent decades from pesticides, fertilizer, and a great number of other sources that poison the waters and marshes , without this ecosystem there would be very few animals to protect. I am biased against poison for this reason. Removing the food source is the best solution whoever not always feasible. Every situation is different.
I get fired up when folks scream for regulation to solve the problems but do nothing to actually help. “GET INVOLVED”

I believe in realism .I would not say Don’t fertilize your lawn as its bad for the Bay , grass is good for the bay as it filters the sediments. Rather that you take a soil sample to Southern states (cost $5) and apply the proper type and amount recommended by the lab.

An ounce of prevention is worth a Ton of cure.

 

[tommyjones]

So what is you point? I said they are not relocated..they are destroyed...they are a pest species...

my point is that the state has set regulations regardign what is humane when it comes to killing pest sepcies. Thats the regs we are freaking talking about.

In humane would be things like skinning alive, leaving to die of starvation in the trap, etc.....

if it was left up to a bunch of feel good PETA types we would be over run with pests spreading desiase

 

[madMAX]

How do you think cows are killed at a slaughter house

My grandfather stood at the door to the Armor Star packing house with a sledge hammer in hand for many years

You asked me if I was proud of my grandfather's actions.
For some reason you seem to think a man caring for his family is an evil thing to do.

You are not a nice person.

I asked you if you were proud that your grandfather took a sledgehammer to kill an animal. For no reason do I think a man caring for his family is an evil thing, what I do think is evil is the way animals are killed. I feel for the animals that are killed by ways that are considered inhumane.

On another note, I for one am thankful that charges were brought against the individual at the meatpacking company for their role in treating the cows in such a way before their death and I am glad that company is now out of business. I think that people that are in that kind of business and have no remorse for the torture they provoke on animals and I would venture to say that some of them may have a screw loose. People say that PETA people are strange for wanting to help animals, I say people that can kill an animal in such a barbaric way are strange.

I am sorry, but I would not brag that people in family tree tortured animals.

and by the way, I am a very nice person.

 

[tommyjones]

I asked you if you were proud that your grandfather took a sledgehammer to kill an animal. For no reason do I think a man caring for his family is an evil thing, what I do think is evil is the way animals are killed. I feel for the animals that are killed by ways that are considered inhumane.

what then is the 'humane' way to kill cows?
how about nutria?
and rats?
roaches?
hornets?

 

[pixiegirl]

However, beating any living creature to death is inhumane.

I whole heartedly disagree. I can name 5 dirtbags off the top of my head that deserve much worse than to be beaten to death.


I don't care one way or another enough to read this whole thread but this caught my eye and I thought I'd like to add my 2 pennies worth....

 

[happyappygirl]

This is about the HUMANE manner in which animals are killed...and why there are so many laws on the books about how we are allowed to kill people.

We ARE? Whose world do you live in??

What you do is called personification. That's OK, it's your right, but there is no comparison between an animal and a human. And there is no choice. I'm neurotic about the way i feel for my animals and how they are cared for. Including when one has to die. But i am also a realist.

A vet will tell you a correctly placed bullet to the head of an ailing animal is faster and more humane than any blue juice. And I believe him, I've seen the blue juice administered.

 

[smedrickson]

Dead Eye - I agree with you one hundred percent about the poison issue. We take in many native species each year who have injested poison and die a horrible death despite all attempts to save them. Raptors who have injested prey which has been poisoned and are then in turn poisoned. Mammals who have intentionally been poisoned or have injested poisoned prey. I am not against trapping as you are correct and it is often necessary and a much better choice than poison. What I do not accept is the inhumane ways which the State of Maryland considers "acceptable". You're osprey photo is absolutely beautiful but do you know that I receive dozens of calls per year from residents who consider them a nuisance because they are nesting on or near their piers. These same residents will use snare traps on these birds and leave them hanging for hours which causes irreparable damage and by the time they call us we have no choice but to have the birds euthanized. The Maryland DNR and Federal Fish & Game in Annapolis response when I report these cases is that there is nothing they can do to stop these residents from snaring the birds on their own property. After all, snares are legal trapping devices and they are only required to check them once every 24 hours. Would you prefer that these birds be clubbed to death, have their necks broken, or be shot rather than humanely euthanized? It would certainly be less expensive than paying a veterinarian to humanely euthanize them.

 

[smedrickson]

I am a licensed Wildlife Control Cooperator and our only connection to DNR is that they are the licensing official. We are not an "extension" of DNR but are regulated by them. DNR refers Maryland residents with problems to us frequently. Many of us practice humane methods of euthanasia when necessary but I cannot agree with Maryland DNR's list of "acceptable" killing methods. If you killed a dog or cat using these methods you would be brought up on animal cruelty charges. Do people honestly believe that wild animals feel no pain or suffering? I am not opposed to trapping, just the inhumane methods used to kill.

 

[smedrickson]

I respect and agree with you concerning the correctly placed bullet to the head. I do not agree that beating an animal to death or drowning an animal is humane. Slow suffocation is not humane in my book either. A correctly placed bullet provides an instant end to suffering but the other methods I mentioned most certainly do not. I would also agree whole heartedly with you that no animal life, wild or domestic, is more valuable than a human life.

 

[smedrickson]

Dead Eye - the conibear trap, according to the manufacturer, closes with 90 pounds pressure and trappers use a special tool to open it. Most adults can't open one without the tool. I would agree that leg hold traps most likely can be removed from mangled limbs by a young adult.

 

[ironintestines]

I am a licensed Wildlife Control Cooperator and our only connection to DNR is that they are the licensing official. We are not an "extension" of DNR but are regulated by them. DNR refers Maryland residents with problems to us frequently. Many of us practice humane methods of euthanasia when necessary but I cannot agree with Maryland DNR's list of "acceptable" killing methods. If you killed a dog or cat using these methods you would be brought up on animal cruelty charges. Do people honestly believe that wild animals feel no pain or suffering? I am not opposed to trapping, just the inhumane methods used to kill.

If your not an extension of DNR, by-tell, what is a CO-operator?? Doesn't that make you one of the same?? A team player?? Part of the organization?? A licensed official?? An approved by the "gang" member, granted permission to operate as they do??

And, please, elaborate on what is the official "Approved Killing" methods that you sooo dis-approve of that DNR states as the "Approved Methods"..

If you possibly can, please refrane from interjecting your emotional, bleeding heart, hsus-ian, peta-ized "opinion" of what "you" prefer as an "approved method"..