New York's largest health provider fires 1,400 employees who refuse vaccine

[OccamsRazor]

Right, but that's usually established right up front before the applicant becomes an employee.

I was addressing your statement "There is no other medical procedure that your employer can demand you get as a condition of employment." however, since we are here now.
If an employer senses that your abilities to perform your duties has been compromised by potential drug usage then drug screening via whiz quiz or blood drawing can be requested. And in most cases if refused, are grounds for termination.

 

[OccamsRazor]

The argument will still be that government and Big Pharma cannot dictate mandatory treatment or therapy as a condition of enjoying your constitutional rights as an American citizen.

Government has been doing this for YEARS! Haven't you ever taken a child for a vaccine or booster shot to register that child for school? Granted school is not a Constitutional right but neither is employment.

 

[vraiblonde]

If an employer senses that your abilities to perform your duties has been compromised by potential drug usage then drug screening via whiz quiz or blood drawing can be requested. And in most cases if refused, are grounds for termination.

And that is typically in the employment agreement or employee handbook, disclosed ahead of time.

 

[vraiblonde]

Granted school is not a Constitutional right but neither is employment.

Sure it is, right in the Fourteenth Amendment:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Sure it is, right in the Fourteenth Amendment:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Is there a legal ruling citing this Amendment with regards to the rights to schooling and/or employment?

 

[vraiblonde]

Is there a legal ruling citing this Amendment with regards to the rights to schooling and/or employment?

No idea. You could search for one, though.

 

[OccamsRazor]

And that is typically in the employment agreement or employee handbook, disclosed ahead of time.

Still just playing devil's advocate here but, how could this not be applied to this scenario? Someone with COVID could potentially be harmed themselves or inflict undo harm on other employees. As could someone with a drug or alcohol problem.

 

[OccamsRazor]

No idea. You could search for one, though.

You cited the 14th in your rebuttal. I would think it would be on you to link it directly to your argument.

 

[HemiHauler]

You cited the 14th in your rebuttal. I would think it would be on you to link it directly to your argument.

You're about to see how mind-numbingly tedious it is to have a conversation with someone who acts on emotion rather than guiding principles.

Good luck!

 

[vraiblonde]

Still just playing devil's advocate here but, how could this not be applied to this scenario? Someone with COVID could potentially be harmed themselves or inflict undo harm on other employees. As could someone with a drug or alcohol problem.

Run the numbers. Math is a thing.

"Potentially" is such a subjective word. Any human could potentially rape and murder their co-workers. Potentially they could set fire to the building, killing everyone inside. "Potentially" is a synonym for "possibly". Then a rational human has to consider what is possible (literally everything), vs. what is probable (which narrows it down to something one should worry about).

Is it probable that an unvaccinated individual will infect their co-workers and kill them all? Or is it just possible? And if possible, how possible are we talking? An enormous possibility, teetering on the edge of probable, or just a remote possibility?

Let's do the math!

The data are available and based on CDC numbers roughly 10% of Americans have contracted the covid virus, and .2% have died of it. Note the decimal in front of the 2. And that is since the beginning, March 2020 before there even was a vaccine.

Google Search

www.google.com

So is it possible or probable that an unvaxxed person will infect their co-workers and kill them all, or any of them?

That's a real question to you.

 

[vraiblonde]

You cited the 14th in your rebuttal. I would think it would be on you to link it directly to your argument.

Here you go:

U.S. Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

Why couldn't you have done that if you didn't believe my copy/paste of the 14A?

 

[vraiblonde]

You're about to see how mind-numbingly tedious it is to have a conversation with someone who acts on emotion rather than guiding principles.

Good luck!

Yes, facts are so mind numbingly tedious and emotional. It's SO much more fun to spout nonsense and be an insulting ass - that's not emotional at all!



And now I'm done giving you attention.

 

[OccamsRazor]

So is it possible or probable that an unvaxxed person will infect their co-workers and kill them all, or any of them?

That's a real question to you.

My guess is that it is the same probability that a pot smoker would harm another co-worker yet.. they still test for drugs as a condition of attaining AND keeping employment.

 

[OccamsRazor]

Here you go:

U.S. Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress

The original text of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution of the United States.

constitution.congress.gov

Why couldn't you have done that if you didn't believe my copy/paste of the 14A?

Thanks for the link. It still does not answer the question though.
What legal rulings site the 14th as it applies to the right to schooling or employment?

 

[vraiblonde]

My guess is that it is the same probability that a pot smoker would harm another co-worker yet.. they still test for drugs as a condition of attaining AND keeping employment.

See, now you're going off on a tangent to avoid answering the question.

I'll ask you one more time, and if you still dance around we can be done with this discussion:

Based on the numbers, is it possible or probable that an unvaxxed person will infect their co-workers and kill them all, or any of them?

 

[OccamsRazor]

See, now you're going off on a tangent to avoid answering the question.

I'll ask you one more time, and if you still dance around we can be done with this discussion:

Based on the numbers, is it possible or probable that an unvaxxed person will infect their co-workers and kill them all, or any of them?

Ok. It is "possible" that they may infect their co-workers and kill them all. It is "probable" that they will infect their co-workers and not kill any of them. Either way, they infected their co-workers.

Now... its time for you to stop your two-step. How about the legal ruling regarding the 14th?

 

[GURPS]

Based on the numbers, is it possible or probable that an unvaxxed person will infect their co-workers and kill them all, or any of them?

Numbers from Aug 4th

Cases: 36,114,456

Deaths: 631,008

Recovered: 29,768,612

1.74% of those infected died

11.64 % of the population has been infected

[ likely much higher from the people infected who had very mild or no symptoms]

 

[vraiblonde]

Ok. It is "possible" that they may infect their co-workers and kill them all.

How possible?

It is "probable" that they will infect their co-workers and not kill any of them.

How probable?

Use the math.

Now... its time for you to stop your two-step. How about the legal ruling regarding the 14th?

The 14A doesn't need a legal ruling to be part of our US Constitution - it was ruled on in 1868. I'm not sure why you're asking this question, or what the question even is. I ignored it because I presumed it was like your drug testing musing, just something to throw out there as a distraction so I'd leave you alone.

 

[Calistress]

New York's largest health provider announced Monday it has fired 1,400 employees who refused the COVID-19 vaccine before the state's mandate deadline.

The remaining 76,000 employees have received at least one dose of the vaccine.

Northwell Health said in a statement obtained by the New York Times that no patient care has been disrupted, and it is currently hiring to fill the newly vacant positions.

New York’s largest health provider fires 1,400 employees who refuse vaccine - Washington Examiner

New York's largest health provider announced Monday it has fired 1,400 employees who refused the COVID-19 vaccine before the state's mandate deadline. The remaining 76,000 employees have received at least one dose of the vaccine. Northwell Health said in a statement obtained by the New York...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

GREAT! So many positions are now open to health care professionals who believe in science.

 

[Calistress]

So anyway, they kick all these people out of their jobs, refuse their unemployment claims.....now what? Just let those people starve in the streets? **** them, shoulda got the jab like they were told?

Absolutely. I heard conservatives believe in accountability - whoops, I forgot that only applies to minorities. LOL!