NYC Police Shooting - Where's the outrage SOMD?

Chasey_Lane

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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I don't think the OJ verdict was a race thing. I really honestly believe there wasn't enough evidence.
Were you upset his "How I would have done it" special was given the boot?
 

vraiblonde

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Nupe2 said:
whether the officers overreacted.
Define "overreact". Cops can stop a guy for a burnt out taillight and get shot to death. They can go to a domestic disturbance and end up dead.

But even if the cops did overreact, that has nothing to do with race. The only reason anyone gives a crap about this story is because 1) the guy was black, and 2) he was getting married the next day, which makes it sound more sympathetic.

If it was some dumb white guy did the same thing, we'd probably never hear about it. And if we did, we'd give him the Darwin Award.
 

Nupe2

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Nucklesack said:
How is the relevant? the other threads were about Johnny was a drug dealer who attempted to shoot at the police, but he wasnt so bad. And the fact that Blacks are creating more of the crime in Charles County.



So explain how this was Racially Motivated. otherwise your argument is baseless and idiotic.
Once again The five officers who fired their guns included two blacks, two whites and one Hispanic.
You wanted to make an AdHominem attack that this was another "White Man killing the Brotha" story, and your facts didnt hold up.
Now its "I stand by the Racially Charged Comment" even if you dont have any basis to make such a ridiculous statement.

In other words you were RaceBaiting, it didnt work out, and now instead of apologizing you'll keep up your BS

Let us Guess, your a Black Police officer, who has a Stereo that cost more than our monthly salary, and dont understand why, when you play your stereo as obnoxiously as you want, people dont want to sit at the light next to you. :sarcasm:

If you think I was racebaiting....you may be right. We'll see after the facts come to light, i.e., the other side of the story from the victims. I will have to apologize as I have been writing some of this stuff while at work. Not some of my best investigative journalism here. Please accept my apology for that.

However, the fact that officers fired their weapons at unarmed civilians and apparently against NYPD policy (see earlier post) is a legitimate cause for questions to be raised regardless of the race of the victims or the shooters. The real issues are was the shooting justified and was it in accordance with existing NYPD policy?

Again, I am guilty of reacting to some of the negative posts and nasty karma that is distributed on these boards sometimes. I consider myself called out by your post and I appreciate your insight. :yay:

p.s.: I am not the MPD or whoever that was the other day.
 

vraiblonde

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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I don't think the OJ verdict was a race thing. I really honestly believe there wasn't enough evidence.
I thought that as well, and even gave a "YESSS!" when the verdict was read. Now, going back over the whole thing and reading the transcripts, the evidence was clearly there.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/Evidence.html

Note where that page comes from - it's not some blogger.

The reason OJ was found "not guilty" is because his lawyers made it about Mark Fuhrman and racism, not about the actual case.
 

Sharon

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Nupe2 said:
I don't recall an incident where a white person has been shot at in this manner by black police officers. Not saying it hasn't happened but I just don't remember a similar situation.

An even worse situation...in 2002(?)

Maryland: Two unarmed innocent white kids were sitting in their car and one was shot in the face by a trigger happy FBI agent looking for bank robbers. They had the wrong car and the wrong kids. I don't remember the race of the cops and it really doesn't matter any more than it does in your story.

Was there outrage from the black community...oh...wait, I said they were white and innocent of ANY wrong doing. I tried to find an article because the whole thing was swept away as far as I can remember.

So you see... it doesn't just happen to blacks.
 

itsbob

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vraiblonde said:
The only reason it was racially charged is because the "black community" made it that way.

In my opinion, this sort of thing does nothing positive for race relations. Like the OJ verdict, it just makes whites resent and fear blacks.
Actually they found him not guilty because the defense wore the jurors out.. all they wanted to do was go home, and a few have said as much. They wanted to vote him guilty, but they knew if they did they would be there for another week, another month who knows, but they did know if they said he was innocent they could go home that day, and they did.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
That's absurd...

AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I don't think the OJ verdict was a race thing. I really honestly believe there wasn't enough evidence.


...OJ Simpson is one of the most guilty people in the history of crime. Circumstantial evidence is the best and purest evidence there is; it is not subject to memory or human opinion or attitude or perception.

Vince Bugliotti, of Manson fame, did a nice piece shortly after OJ walked explaining how this stuff, law and evidence, works in terms we lay people can readily grasp.

The 'Dream Team' made a silk purse out of a sows ear and had a jury just dying to aquit.

It's all good. Rich black people can, fact certain, get away with murder, just like rich white people. It's all about equality!
 

Nupe2

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Sharon said:
An even worse situation...in 2002(?)

Maryland: Two unarmed innocent white kids were sitting in their car and one was shot in the face by a trigger happy FBI agent looking for bank robbers. They had the wrong car and the wrong kids. I don't remember the race of the cops and it really doesn't matter any more than it does in your story.

Was there outrage from the black community...oh...wait, I said they were white and innocent of ANY wrong doing. I tried to find an article because the whole thing was swept away as far as I can remember.

So you see... it doesn't just happen to blacks.

Here's the link: http://www.rense.com/general20/innocentmanshot.htm
 

itsbob

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AndyMarquisLIVE said:
I don't think the OJ verdict was a race thing. I really honestly believe there wasn't enough evidence.
His blood found at the scene of the crime.. their blood found on his property and inside his house.. the glove used in the crime found on his property.. yep, you're right, not enough evidence..
 

Redskinsmama

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Do you really think that OJ simpson would write a book and have a special entitled, "if i did it, this is how it happened" WTF????? not only did he do it, he's so much a bastard that he pursued monetary gain and reopened a wound that never healed (The brown and goldman families) Tell me why everywhere you looked when the verdict was read tons of black people cheered in truimph as if they (their race) had won? I'll tell you why, because they didn't care that two people were brutally murdered and never received justice, they cared that a black man won in court. The evidence was laid out like a prostitute trying to make a buck. Congratulations on making a murderer an icon for african americans. Racebaiting rears it's ugly head again
 

chernmax

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Redskinsmama said:
Do you really think that OJ simpson would write a book and have a special entitled, "if i did it, this is how it happened" WTF????? not only did he do it, he's so much a bastard that he pursued monetary gain and reopened a wound that never healed (The brown and goldman families) Tell me why everywhere you looked when the verdict was read tons of black people cheered in truimph as if they (their race) had won? I'll tell you why, because they didn't care that two people were brutally murdered and never received justice, they cared that a black man won in court. The evidence was laid out like a prostitute trying to make a buck. Congratulations on making a murderer an icon for african americans. Racebaiting rears it's ugly head again

You ripped the thought right out of my head, it was sickening... :yay:
 
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juggy4805

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Redskinsmama said:
Do you really think that OJ simpson would write a book and have a special entitled, "if i did it, this is how it happened" WTF????? not only did he do it, he's so much a bastard that he pursued monetary gain and reopened a wound that never healed (The brown and goldman families) Tell me why everywhere you looked when the verdict was read tons of black people cheered in truimph as if they (their race) had won? I'll tell you why, because they didn't care that two people were brutally murdered and never received justice, they cared that a black man won in court. The evidence was laid out like a prostitute trying to make a buck. Congratulations on making a murderer an icon for african americans. Racebaiting rears it's ugly head again


I agree that the crime wasn't on the minds of blacks. The main thing was that a black man got a fair trial. It was something that some believed would never happen.
 

chernmax

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juggy4805 said:
I agree that the crime wasn't on the minds of blacks. The main thing was that a black man got a fair trial. It was something that some believed would never happen.

Too bad the dead victims didn't!!! :coffee:
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
juggy4805 said:
I agree that the crime wasn't on the minds of blacks. The main thing was that a black man got a fair trial. It was something that some believed would never happen.
I'm sorry, I equate fair with.. If you did it then we find you guilty.. Not if you did it or not you're innocent.

I think that is lost in the minds of a lot of judges.. just because someone is found guilty doesn't mean it wasn't fair, it means it was RIGHT!
 
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pingrr

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juggy4805 said:
I agree that the crime wasn't on the minds of blacks. The main thing was that a Rich man got a fair trial. It was something that some believed would never happen.

Fixed

Money bought OJ his freedom nothing else.
 

Lenny

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vraiblonde said:
I thought that as well, and even gave a "YESSS!" when the verdict was read. Now, going back over the whole thing and reading the transcripts, the evidence was clearly there.

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/Evidence.html

Note where that page comes from - it's not some blogger.

The reason OJ was found "not guilty" is because his lawyers made it about Mark Fuhrman and racism, not about the actual case.

Then there was the jury:

http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/Jurypage.html said:
Final Jury Composition

The Jury By Race: 9 Blacks, 1 Hispanics, 2 Whites B B B B B B B B B H W W

The Jury By Sex: 10 Women, 2 Men F F F F F F F F F F M M

The Jury By Education: 2 College Graduates, 9 High School Graduates, 1 Without Diploma C C HS HS HS HS HS HS HS HS HS ND

Some other facts about the final jury: (1) None regularly read a newspaper, but eight regularly watch tabloid TV shows, (2) five thought it was sometimes appropriate to use force on a family member, (3) all were Democrats, (4) five reported that they or another family member had had a negative experience with the police, (5) nine thought that Simpson was less likely to be a murderer because he was a professional athlete.

The racial composition of the initial jury pool differed considerably from the racial compostion of the final jury. The pool was 40% white, 28% black, 17% Hispanic, and 15% Asian.
 

itsbob

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Lenny said:
Then there was the jury:
I thought the original jury poll was like 8 innocent and 4 guilty.. and the four, fairly quickly, changed their votes to innocent, and walla.. they got to go home.
 

Redskinsmama

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A fair trial would have ended with OJ Simpson behind bars. Circumstantial evidence wins cases almost every day. But because "the juice" had his dream team lawyers and a lot of money, he won. That case pitted blacks against whites, just like every other case does when the black person is the victim. Where is the race card for white people when almost every other day a black person kills a white person. I am not racist, but i will tell you what, my experiences lead me to believe that there are more racist black people out there than the other way around. I'm sorry that slavery existed, but the people that are alive today had absolutely nothing to do with it, so stop blaming everything on white people! we still have a long way to go with race relations, but it's time that black people hold themselves equally accountable! Whoever juggy is, i have to tell you i commend you for not losing it on here. my officemate was on the forum about michael richards, and if i was you i would've gone bananas. kudos.
 
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