Oh my, dems just can't handle...

SamSpade

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I had a government worker tell me they could fire half his office and the next day it would be business as usual. Now multiple that by the entire federal government. FWIW, state and local governments should also reevaluate their manning levels. Save their constituents a few bucks in taxes.
(shrug) We lost ONE really great guy - to retirement - this past spring - and we are STILL catching up. Granted it’s only four of us, but our current staff doesn’t have useless deadweight.

Wish I could say it always has.

The past six months has also included very late, very early and weekend hours to meet deadlines.
 
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Chopticon64

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The irony of you saying someone is unserious.

Why don’t you move on back to other forums where your lefty friends discus LGTBQXYZ and abortion issues. You obviously would be much happier there vice being on here disparaging others here that don’t share your twisted political views.
I live and was raised in southern MD.

I’m quite happy.
 

Chopticon64

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Work being shifted to another place doesn't mean we reduced the workforce. Sure, you will have folks who wont make the move. They hire locals to fill that out.
Fine, we’ll just assume that nothing has changed in over 20 years, that whole division was shipped to Indiana, they hired a bunch of new feds to do nothing.

Anyone familiar with the fed position creation process will know that for anyone who didn’t move, it’s most likely that position was just dissolved or shuffled to a division that needed a billet.
 

SamSpade

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That's *your* staff. In other government sectors there is an enormous amount of redundancy and dead weight and waste.

This is really irritating.
Yup. Notice I did qualify with "current". Almost every staff I've been on before typically had ONE that was beyond useless.

Those people are often - "traded" - around - because the work still has to get done, and you can't just hire another person - you're limited by the staff budget, which means the more deadweight you carry, the harder it is to get the task done, since everyone ELSE is carrying the load. If you have a staff of five, and one of them is totally useless, it means the other four have to do the work, because the agency is NOT going to let you hire anyone else.

Trust me - we DO feel it.

I do however hate the immediate dumping on federal employees when these conversations come up. I ALSO know hundreds of very dedicated employees who work on their days off, come in after hours - and because there's no overtime budgeted for the project - it's on their own dime. In Obama's administration, they decided no automatic pay increases (and no new hires, which meant no promotions, no increase in pay), no training budget, no new equipment and so on down the line - and this went on for three years. We do seem to be everyone's favorite whipping boy when people want to complain.

Thing is - the civilian federal workforce (as opposed to all the military personnel who are - technically - federal employees) has a yearly budget of about 280-300 billion dollars, out of a typical budget of 6-7 trillion. So, about 4% of the entire budget. If you eliminated half of the federal employees, you might save the cost of what we've already sent - to Ukraine. And at least you get some - return - for people working. Giving money away doesn't do anything.

WHAT DOES need to be examined - are the actual projects they oversee. If say, the Dept of Agriculture or Dept of Education hands out grants of just plain good old money. Getting rid of the employees saves a little but it does NOTHING for the programs which waste orders of magnitude MORE money. THOSE are what need to be addressed. There's an ENORMOUS part of each division's budget which consists of little more than grants to groups and persons around the country.

There is the - uncomfortable - issue with the tax code. For example, something the left likes to call "corporate welface" which is their term for tax breaks for corporations as long as they do things the government WANTS. I am ambivalent on this. The government doesn't have a lot of leverage on the corporate level - how do you hinder a company from exporting jobs, and how do you reward them for bringing them back?

If we DIDN'T do this - that's probably a trillion.

THEN - there's the entitlements, which are expanding to consume the entire budget and - can't be touched. Medicare is expensive because in short, - we've allowed the medical profession to be bloated. Even WITH health insurance, we spend (with insurance and out of pocket) more than twice than what most Western nations spend, per person. And that's just - waste. I don't know where the problem is. I don't want to trade being able to get my wife's MRIs, specialty care and my daughter's surgeries - for years long waits.

Social Security is a whole nother system. We have to find incentive for people to invest in their OWN retirement, because we're never going to get the government to ever privatize SS or put it on SOME path where it actually EARNS money.

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BUT - I do feel that busting on federal employees is the popular go-to - but it's penny-wise and pound foolish.
 

vraiblonde

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BUT - I do feel that busting on federal employees is the popular go-to - but it's penny-wise and pound foolish.

My understanding is that the employees themselves are merely a small part of it and spending in general is what is being re-evaluated.

Help me understand. Do you think Trump will end up getting rid of ALL government employees? I don't get where you're coming from.
 

SamSpade

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My understanding is that the employees themselves are merely a small part of it and spending in general is what is being re-evaluated.

Help me understand. Do you think Trump will end up getting rid of ALL government employees? I don't get where you're coming from.
No I don’t. But I fear he might throw out the baby with the bath water. For example, my salary is paid via another agency to fund our statistical work. If they decide for some reason to CANCEL it - well they just got rid of about 200 people.

Maybe I’m paranoid. It’s just I’ve SEEN ideas like raising this or that, canceling upgrades and training, canceling all raises and promotions, freezing all hired - and it goes for YEARS. Somebody asked me recently are they hiring? And all I can say is go online because technically we’re always on a freeze.
 

LightRoasted

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For your consideration ...


Social Security is a whole nother system. We have to find incentive for people to invest in their OWN retirement, because we're never going to get the government to ever privatize SS or put it on SOME path where it actually EARNS money.

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BUT - I do feel that busting on federal employees is the popular go-to - but it's penny-wise and pound foolish.


How in the hell is this gonna happen? When the level of monetary theft via all taxation schemes, and the inflation tax, from all levels of all governments keep people from saving anything near what they would need to counter inflation over their working lives? While at the same time trying to maintain a simple American standard of living?

Too funny of a statement coming from a person that, as a federal employee, does not pay into social security. And that benefits greatly from not having to do so since any monies that would be taken for SS is, or could be, invested in FERS and TSP; actual defined retirement plans.

Federal employees have been benefiting from, and sucking at, the federal teet for far to long. While those in the private sector suffer.

"BUT - I do feel that busting on federal employees is the popular go-to - but it's penny-wise and pound foolish." Awwe. Is someone beginning to feel the heat coming? If you are not employed within a governmental department that was granted to the Federal Government by the States via the enumerated powers listed in the US Constitution, then it would be wise for you to start planning for your retirement.

It is now the time for the MRIF. MAGA Reduction In Force.

BTW: Another mis-used word, "earn." Money does not "earn" money. Fool. People "earn" money.

But I fear he might throw out the baby with the bath water. For example, my salary is paid via another agency to fund our statistical work. If they decide for some reason to CANCEL it - well they just got rid of about 200 people. Maybe I’m paranoid.

Good. Sure, we my lose some good ones, but on the whole we will be far far better off in the long run. It's good that you are paranoid. It means that the message has been received that the plug has been, or is soon to be, pulled and many are, or will be, circling the drain. Better get that life vest ready.
 

phreddyp

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For your consideration ...





How in the hell is this gonna happen? When the level of monetary theft via all taxation schemes, and the inflation tax, from all levels of all governments keep people from saving anything near what they would need to counter inflation over their working lives? While at the same time trying to maintain a simple American standard of living?

Too funny of a statement coming from a person that, as a federal employee, does not pay into social security. And that benefits greatly from not having to do so since any monies that would be taken for SS is, or could be, invested in FERS and TSP; actual defined retirement plans.

Federal employees have been benefiting from, and sucking at, the federal teet for far to long. While those in the private sector suffer.

"BUT - I do feel that busting on federal employees is the popular go-to - but it's penny-wise and pound foolish." Awwe. Is someone beginning to feel the heat coming? If you are not employed within a governmental department that was granted to the Federal Government by the States via the enumerated powers listed in the US Constitution, then it would be wise for you to start planning for your retirement.

It is now the time for the MRIF. MAGA Reduction In Force.

BTW: Another mis-used word, "earn." Money does not "earn" money. Fool. People "earn" money.



Good. Sure, we my lose some good ones, but on the whole we will be far far better off in the long run. It's good that you are paranoid. It means that the message has been received that the plug has been, or is soon to be, pulled and many are, or will be, circling the drain. Better get that life vest ready.
So money doesn't earn money lol, maybe not in YOUR WORLD , in my world money well invested pays MY way without touching the principal.
 

limblips

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For your consideration ...

Too funny of a statement coming from a person that, as a federal employee, does not pay into social security. And that benefits greatly from not having to do so since any monies that would be taken for SS is, or could be, invested in FERS and TSP; actual defined retirement plans.
Liar. GTFO of this thread since you have proven you know nothing about the subject. God you are incredibly stupid.
 
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