Parents To Sue Bat Maker Over Sons Injury

[donbarzini]

I am suing our vending machine company. It made my ass fat.

:thisthreadisuseless.................never mind.

 

[AK-74me]

But are beer leagues fastpitch or slowpitch?

Y'all should have seen some of the pitches Monica, Cat, and Jennie were throwing at exhibition game they had at Baysox Stadium last weekend.

Does not matter, you are missing the point. Baseballs are harder and will always come off the bat, again everything else being equal, faster.

 

[donbarzini]

Does not matter, you are missing the point. Baseballs are harder and will always come off the bat, again everything else being equal, faster.

You are correct. But it's because of the speed not the density of the balls.

 

[AK-74me]

You are correct. But it's because of the speed not the density of the balls.

Prove it!

A softball thrown to Barry Bonds at 90 mph hit with the same bat, force and trajectory will not go as far as the same with a baseball.

Dissect a softball compared to a baseball, compare the weights and the amount of yarn, prove to me it won't have more velocity.

 

[itsbob]

I am suing our vending machine company. It made my ass fat.

That should be a HUGE, if not record breaking, settlement!!

 

[sockgirl77]

That should be a HUGE, if not record breaking, settlement!!

I know. Who should I use as a lawyer? Think DoWhat will represent me?

 

[vegmom]

Prove it!

A softball thrown to Barry Bonds at 90 mph hit with the same bat, force and trajectory will not go as far as the same with a baseball.

Dissect a softball compared to a baseball, compare the weights and the amount of yarn, prove to me it won't have more velocity.

Comparing apples to grapefruits.

In fastpitch, the pitcher does not stand on a raised mound. Instead she starts off a pitching rubber in an 8ft circle.

The pitching rubber is closer than in baseball (Olympic distance is 43 ft) but since the pitcher strides forward the ball can be released even closer. Tall women tend to dominate pitching (US team's pitchers range from 6'1" to 6'3") and can stride out the the circle's edge. That seriously cuts down on your reaction time at the plate.

The diamond is also smaller (60ft vs 90ft). All this takes into account the size of the ball and raises the level of difficulty for the offensive team. It's harder to score when the left fielder can throw clear to home.

But how hard does it hit you? Most HS and College players can hurl a ball in the low to mid 60s. Top players can break the 70mph range. Getting hit by a 65 mph pitch thrown from 35-40 feet away is going to hit with the same force as a 90mph ball thrown from 60ft away. I saw a Florida State player get her nose broke by a riseball that had just bounced up off the topside of her bat. Yeah, it had that much force even after the bat had slowed its momentum. Batted balls are coming at you from a closer distance too.

So yeah, a baseball thrown from the same distance will hurt more because it can be thrown faster, but when you compare the games as they are actually played it's fairly equal.

 

[theArtistFormerlyKnownAs]

Comparing apples to grapefruits.

In fastpitch, the pitcher does not stand on a raised mound. Instead she starts off a pitching rubber in an 8ft circle.

The pitching rubber is closer than in baseball (Olympic distance is 43 ft) but since the pitcher strides forward the ball can be released even closer. Tall women tend to dominate pitching (US team's pitchers range from 6'1" to 6'3") and can stride out the the circle's edge. That seriously cuts down on your reaction time at the plate.

The diamond is also smaller (60ft vs 90ft). All this takes into account the size of the ball and raises the level of difficulty for the offensive team. It's harder to score when the left fielder can throw clear to home.

But how hard does it hit you? Most HS and College players can hurl a ball in the low to mid 60s. Top players can break the 70mph range. Getting hit by a 65 mph pitch thrown from 35-40 feet away is going to hit with the same force as a 90mph ball thrown from 60ft away. I saw a Florida State player get her nose broke by a riseball that had just bounced up off the topside of her bat. Yeah, it had that much force even after the bat had slowed its momentum. Batted balls are coming at you from a closer distance too.

So yeah, a baseball thrown from the same distance will hurt more because it can be thrown faster, but when you compare the games as they are actually played it's fairly equal.

I don't think the "damage" is quite comparable though. The surface area of a softball is greater. If a softball hits you, the force is being spread out over a larger area and thus less is distributed to any specific area (like the heart). If a softball and baseball both hit you in the chest at the same speed from the same distance (though, I understand that your comparison shows a shorter distance, but still the distance to speed ratio is about the same right?) then the hard baseball SHOULD have more force hitting the smaller area. That is at least how I take it.

now, on that note, I totally agree that both could probably kill you and DEFINITELY deal a hurting. I've been hit by both . I am just getting technical with the numbers :shrug:

 

[donbarzini]

Prove it!

A softball thrown to Barry Bonds at 90 mph hit with the same bat, force and trajectory will not go as far as the same with a baseball.

Dissect a softball compared to a baseball, compare the weights and the amount of yarn, prove to me it won't have more velocity.

Seriously now, I'm confused by your question. Which one do you claim would have more velocity. It is my contention that it would be the baseball because of the speed at which it is thrown toward the batter in comparison to the speed at which the softball is thrown.

 

[Lugnut]

Prove it!

A softball thrown to Barry Bonds at 90 mph hit with the same bat, force and trajectory will not go as far as the same with a baseball.

Dissect a softball compared to a baseball, compare the weights and the amount of yarn, prove to me it won't have more velocity.

He's right. In simple terms (ignoring, Cd, elasticity, blah blah, etc...) Initial velocity is a function of the speed of impact, velocity decay over distance is a function of the density.

 

[vegmom]

I don't think the "damage" is quite comparable though. The surface area of a softball is greater. If a softball hits you, the force is being spread out over a larger area and thus less is distributed to any specific area (like the heart). If a softball and baseball both hit you in the chest at the same speed from the same distance (though, I understand that your comparison shows a shorter distance, but still the distance to speed ratio is about the same right?) then the hard baseball SHOULD have more force hitting the smaller area. That is at least how I take it.

now, on that note, I totally agree that both could probably kill you and DEFINITELY deal a hurting. I've been hit by both . I am just getting technical with the numbers :shrug:

You haven't been hit by one of my girl's fastballs have you?

If I had not gone out and bought us some training balls to use for practice instead of game balls I would not be able to wear shorts this summer for all the bruises on my shins. It was either that or full catchers gear. Last time she hit me I heard something crack.

 

[MMDad]

Kinetic energy = mass * velocity squared.

The mass of a softball is greater. The velocity of a baseball greater.

Since the velocity in the equation is squared, the velocity has a far greater effect on the KE than the mass of the ball does.

As far as the distance goes, the softball has more surface area, therefore more drag. Although the distances are shorter, the increased drag cancels out most of the difference.

Both balls can cause bad damage, but baseball is inherently more dangerous because of the greater kinetic energy carried by the faster baseball.

 

[donbarzini]

Kinetic energy = mass * velocity squared.

The mass of a softball is greater. The velocity of a baseball greater.

Since the velocity in the equation is squared, the velocity has a far greater effect on the KE than the mass of the ball does.

As far as the distance goes, the softball has more surface area, therefore more drag. Although the distances are shorter, the increased drag cancels out most of the difference.

Both balls can cause bad damage, but baseball is inherently more dangerous because of the greater kinetic energy carried by the faster baseball.

I think that's what I said. And if it is, thanks for putting it in mathematical terms. My best subject was English.

 

[AK-74me]

Comparing apples to grapefruits.

In fastpitch, the pitcher does not stand on a raised mound. Instead she starts off a pitching rubber in an 8ft circle.

The pitching rubber is closer than in baseball (Olympic distance is 43 ft) but since the pitcher strides forward the ball can be released even closer. Tall women tend to dominate pitching (US team's pitchers range from 6'1" to 6'3") and can stride out the the circle's edge. That seriously cuts down on your reaction time at the plate.

The diamond is also smaller (60ft vs 90ft). All this takes into account the size of the ball and raises the level of difficulty for the offensive team. It's harder to score when the left fielder can throw clear to home.

But how hard does it hit you? Most HS and College players can hurl a ball in the low to mid 60s. Top players can break the 70mph range. Getting hit by a 65 mph pitch thrown from 35-40 feet away is going to hit with the same force as a 90mph ball thrown from 60ft away. I saw a Florida State player get her nose broke by a riseball that had just bounced up off the topside of her bat. Yeah, it had that much force even after the bat had slowed its momentum. Batted balls are coming at you from a closer distance too.

So yeah, a baseball thrown from the same distance will hurt more because it can be thrown faster, but when you compare the games as they are actually played it's fairly equal.

If you are talking about reaction time of the pitcher to "defend" themselves or the reaction time of the batter to swing then they are comprabale. I am not arguing that, I am contending that EVERYTHING else being equal a baseball his going to have more velocity coming off the bat.

 

[Lugnut]

Kinetic energy = mass * velocity squared.

The mass of a softball is greater. The velocity of a baseball greater.

Since the velocity in the equation is squared, the velocity has a far greater effect on the KE than the mass of the ball does.

As far as the distance goes, the softball has more surface area, therefore more drag. Although the distances are shorter, the increased drag cancels out most of the difference.

Both balls can cause bad damage, but baseball is inherently more dangerous because of the greater kinetic energy carried by the faster baseball.

There used to be a website for the physics of baseball. It was a good resource for teaching kids using a subject that was interesting. They had lessons, simulations written as java applets, and other tidbits. Just an FYI for anybody interested.

 

[AK-74me]

Seriously now, I'm confused by your question. Which one do you claim would have more velocity. It is my contention that it would be the baseball because of the speed at which it is thrown toward the batter in comparison to the speed at which the softball is thrown.

What the......

I have been arguing for the baseball the entire time. Again "All things being equal".

 

[AK-74me]

BTW........

I am not even going to go into the differences of men vs. women in vegmom's post because I can see that would be a whole 'nother can of worms.

That is why I keep reinterating "everything else being equal"

 

[donbarzini]

What the......

I have been arguing for the baseball the entire time. Again "All things being equal".

I told you I was confused. God I hate math.

 

[MMDad]

BTW........

I am not even going to go into the differences of men vs. women in vegmom's post because I can see that would be a whole 'nother can of worms.

That is why I keep reinterating "everything else being equal"

Good idea. Ms. Veggie seems a bit militant.

 

[Lugnut]

Good idea. Ms. Veggie seems a bit militant.

But she means well.