As fine and necessary as the military is, it is not the great protector of American freedom. The Constitution and the People are the protectors of American freedom. The military is the protector of the American state. In the eyes of the Founding Fathers the military had the potential of destroying freedom in this country. That's why they put it in the charge of a civilian leader. Not a criticism of the military at all; just an attempt to talk about it without romanticizing it.
PAX getting ready for budget cuts?
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As fine and necessary as the military is, it is not the great protector of American freedom. The Constitution and the People are the protectors of American freedom. The military is the protector of the American state. In the eyes of the Founding Fathers the military had the potential of destroying freedom in this country. That's why they put it in the charge of a civilian leader. Not a criticism of the military at all; just an attempt to talk about it without romanticizing it.
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White Buddah
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Try explaining that to the men and women in the sand, on and in the water, in the air, and right in our back yard. Without them, we wouldn't have a ####ing to stand up for. Let me know how your convincing them goes. Why not give a speech to a squadron or just a department, and see how long it would be before getting escorted away.
Zguy28
New Member
Constitution? What's that?
awpitt
Main Streeter
Yeap. That has been asked a lot during the last few years.
Pete
Repete
Better watch out, Obama is still wiretapping. :shhhhhhh:
Vince
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So the military don't protect American freedom? Who do you think does? The Constitution is a piece of paper. The military uphold your right to abide by that piece of paper. Although, nowadays the Constitution is being run over with a truck by the current administration.
What part of this oath don't you understand? Recognize it?
desertrat
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So without the military we'd be free, but we just wouldn't have a country to live in?
That would be free indeed.
clevalley
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A good friend of mine is on the executive board of this program, I just know the information he was telling me about it - which did not sound good.
I did hear the "recommendation" the Anointed One had been talking, but have not really followed it.Either way, slashes will happen and it will not be pretty for us in the DoD environment.
For me seeing these window licker's driving around base with Obama '08 stickers; I would hope when the slashes happen these are the FIRST morons to be let go, as that would be the Change they voted for.
clevalley
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You must be a lawyer...
foodcritic
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Zguy28
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You know though, objectively speaking, don't you think being hundreds of billions of dollars over budget legitimizes cuts?A good friend of mine is on the executive board of this program, I just know the information he was telling me about it - which did not sound good.
Either way, slashes will happen and it will not be pretty for us in the DoD environment.
For me seeing these window licker's driving around base with Obama '08 stickers; I would hope when the slashes happen these are the FIRST morons to be let go, as that would be the Change they voted for.
foodcritic
New Member
over budget?...we are not talking about the US Capitol Visitor Center are we.... Something that members have DIRECT control over....
clevalley
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The Air Force does that with every space program they run.
IMHO, I think once you go beyond xx% (whatever number 'xx' should be I don't know) there should be a review by an outside source to see why.
Oh, it could get worse, much worse.
Zguy28
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Yeah..no kidding. That stuff gets me worked up. Like when I hear about that Creation Museum costing 27 million dollars...over budget?...we are not talking about the US Capitol Visitor Center are we.... Something that members have DIRECT control over....
anywho...this is what I was talking about:
Zguy28
New Member
Isn't that what the GAO is supposed to do?The Air Force does that with every space program they run.
IMHO, I think once you go beyond xx% (whatever number 'xx' should be I don't know) there should be a review by an outside source to see why.
huntr1
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When the program includes the line "operating weapons systems not yet developed" or "utilizing technologies not yet created", or some such, which the vast majority of military programs do, they are BOUND to overrun their budget.The Air Force does that with every space program they run.
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to see why.
glhs837
Power with Control
Tell you what. Heres what we'll do. I want you to guess a cost right now. I'm going to tell you what I want a widget to do, and the condition under which it must do those things. Say it must fly to 60,00 feet, stay there for 15 hours, and take images in color with a resolution of .5 meters, and also transmit real time radar data of a certain resolution. It must be able to do this in any climate from Alaska to Sub-Saharan Africa. Must also fit into a box 10 feet by 20 feet, take no longer than 5 hours to assemble and launch from that container.
So, how much will that cost? See, thats the key, in a lot of cases, your guessing at costs because the thing your doing hasn't been done before. Add to that the issue of adding more features/capabilities on the fly, during development.
So, how much will that cost? See, thats the key, in a lot of cases, your guessing at costs because the thing your doing hasn't been done before. Add to that the issue of adding more features/capabilities on the fly, during development.
clevalley
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Keywords are 'supposed to do' - you just have to get them off their lazy asses and do it.
