Hijinx
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Especially the armed 87,000 IRS people.
Pentagon discussing how they can commit treason
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WingsOfGold
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WingsOfGold
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Lot of those sandcrabs can easily go to private contractors under contract. Do grass cutters and painters really need to be fed employed?
Clem72
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I would honestly challenge you to find a current dod civilian that is either of those things. Most of the services have been almost entirely contract for more than 20 years.
That's why those studies that say the average civil service person makes well above the average salary, because the overwhelming majority of government employees are in financial services, lawyers, PMs, engineers, scientists. Very few janitors and fast-food workers.
gemma_rae
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So did the same people we're talking about. They should have known better than to FAFO.
glhs837
Power with Control
Yep. So many positions are contract. Supply guy in our building. Virtually all of your admin support staff as well. Your guards in the front of the building as well. The company I work for supplies a lot of admin support folks. But also high end financial support and program management too. IT support. And oddballs like me who dont fit into other categories.
WingsOfGold
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Could be,I retired in 91 and crabs were in fact cutting grass. tremendous waste of money. Glad it's resolved.
PeoplesElbow
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The ones here are contractors
OccamsRazor
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Huh? Where did you see that? The majority of Government workers (Civil Servants) make LESS than their contract equivalents. This is why the Gov has such a hard time keeping talent. Too tempting to go to the contract realm and make around 30% more.
Apparently that doesn't apply in DC because there are a number of Feds that are making six figures that aren't competent to work for Mickey-Ds.
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Clem72
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No sheet sherlock. Keep up with the class, I said the studies that compare the AVERAGE government salary to the AVERAGE wage. Which is skewed precisely because the government does not directly employ all types of work in ratios matching the general public.
These are the "studies" used to argue that government employees are overpaid, coincidentally the only studies used by Congress when discussing pay and retirement.
Other studies (from GAO and from the AFGE) which show direct total compensation comparisons tend to show white collar government workers being underpaid compared to industry, while blue collar government employees tend to get paid better than industry (primarily due to benefits).
Clem72
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I wonder who the lucky SOB living in West Virginia getting payed DC locality is.
OccamsRazor
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Maybe lead with that next time instead of what I quoted. It helps to make you point without TRYING to sound like you are the "smartiest person alive."
SamSpade
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I remember articles that demonstrate - when comparing fairly - federal workers make less. For example your typical lawyer starting out makes more than the federal equivalent. Mostly true across the board for professionals.
To which Rush would always - mistakenly - claim “then why don’t they all LEAVE “? And I wish I could have told him -
1. Federal benefits and retirement rewards longevity. The longer you remain the better they will be.
2. Generally, federal employ is far more flexible than private industry. You can adjust your entire schedule quite easily to accommodate thing going on in your life.
3. Benefits are excellent. You have the widest selection of anything I’ve ever seen.
4. By and large - you have job security. Private companies may go out of business or need to downsize. Not happening with the federal government.
And so on. Lots of reasons to stay ESPECIALLY if you’ve been there a long time.
glhs837
Power with Control
So, there are benefits that do have value, even if that's not reflected in studies.
CPUSA
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Trying...and ALWAYS failing
SamSpade
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Sure there is. I don’t know how you might quantify job security.
OccamsRazor
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Word on the street is that there were MANY violators of the locality pay rules during COVID. People who were collecting DC-area pay and "working remotely" from other areas of the country. Lazy supervisors who didn't do the relocation paperwork and employees with no integrity who didn't report it.
Lastly, a vast majority of these people were given a PASS on it because the HR department didn't want to deal with the headache. They simply forgave the months/years of improper locality pay collection with a wrist slap and a promise to "not do it anymore"
Lots of tax dollars down the drain!
If they are paid 1/2 as much it is still too much, I have never seen such entitled, lazy, incompetent and worthless individuals as a government employee. That's why I got out and went into business.
OccamsRazor
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I am friends or acquaintance with quite a few. I can say that after many, many conversations with high and low level Gov workers, many of them do NOT start this way. They are slowly turned into "lazy and worthless" workers after years or grinding with little to no recognition or reward.
How would you feel if year after year, you are busting your tail only to be rewarded with ZERO positive feedback from your leadership and then given a "bonus" that equates to 1% of your pay?
You saw National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation right? Imagine thousands of Clark Griswalds getting their "Jelly of the Month" membership.
